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Gemukkkkkkk Publish time 22-11-2009 02:23 PM

Mahkamah kata tak perlu bayar saman local council?

Sunday November 22, 2009                                                                                Court ruling takes bite out of local council summonses                                                                                                                               
KUALALUMPUR: If you have been issued local government summonses for illegalparking, not displaying a valid parking ticket, open burning or nothaving a dog licence, can you just throw them away?
Yes, you maybe able to get away with it, going by a recent High Court ruling in alandmark case which stated that local councils did not have the rightto prosecute anyone as such a prosecution would contravene the FederalConstitution.
What is common hearsay — that tickets issued bylocal councils have no legal bite — has been proven in a case in thesleepy hollow of Lanchang, Pahang.

http://www.thestar.com.my/archives/2009/11/22/nation/n_01subramaniam.jpg Littleman’s big win: Subramaniam showing the court order as his wife hugs himoutside their shop in Lanchang, Pahang. The High Court ruled that thelocal council has no right to prosecute him for not obeying its orderto move his fish and vegetable business. — AZHAR MAHFOF / The Star.

Mini-marketowner Subrama­niam Gopal, 50, defied the orders of the LanchangTemerloh Muni­cipal Council to move his fish and vegetable business tothe new council market and was taken to court on four charges ofoperating his business — the GSM Mini Market — on Jalan Besar Lanchang,without a valid licence.
Temerloh High Court JudicialCommissioner Akhtar Tahir overturned a magistrate court’s ruling andsaid that if anyone was going to prosecute Subramaniam, it should bethe Attorney-General. Judge Akhtar then ordered that Subramaniam begiven a discharge not amounting to an acquittal.
Does this mean that members of the public can throw away summonses and not fear legal reprisal?
“Consideringthat the High Court declared Section 120 of the LGA unconstitutional,it would appear that there is no power to prosecute,” said lawyer MalikImtiaz Sarwar.
Lawyer Derek Fernandez, however, said it isbetter not to ignore the summons because a warrant of arrest could beissued against the offender if he is not in court when his case iscalled.
Father of two David J said he had often heard that oneneed not pay local council summons, unlike traffic police summons, andhad not paid for many of them.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2009/11/22/nation/5162786&sec=nation


* mintak pendapat dan pandangan dari pakar-pakar perundangan kat CI pasal ni.adakah ini memang bakal jadi landmark decision?atau one-off saja? kenapa ini melanggar federal constitution, tang mana tu?

altimi Publish time 22-11-2009 02:48 PM

Tak penah bayar saman kerajaan tempatan...........

tom5190 Publish time 22-11-2009 02:49 PM

Ini teknikal...Majlis Tempatan tidak mempunyai kuasa untuk mendakwa (prosecute)....kecuali AG (Peguam Negara) saja.......Kes ni discharge not amounting to acquittal (dilepaskan tanpa dibebaskan) Maknenya cara pendakwaan tu silap

Gemukkkkkkk Publish time 22-11-2009 02:59 PM

3# tom5190
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membawa maksud?
aku tak faham sangat bab legal terms ni.
kalau betul la tak perlu bayar saman, aku rasa rugi lak pernah bayar saman kat mbi dedulu.boleh claim balik ke?

kasibiman Publish time 22-11-2009 03:36 PM

Super. Excellent. Mabeles.

Jom kite humban sampah depan pagar org.

Better still, bukak gerai goreng pisang kat tepi pam minyak.

Or, jom kite ternak ayam + kambing boer secara intensif kat laman rumah teres.

Rumah corner lot? Bukak je kopitiam.


Wonderful news this is.:re:

schumacher Publish time 22-11-2009 04:10 PM

DNAA .. kes nie kalau buat pendakwaan semula boleh...

schumacher Publish time 22-11-2009 04:11 PM

dalam kes mcm nie... DPP boleh tak buat satu surat lantik pegawai majlis (kumpulan B ke atas) jadi pegawai pendakwa... mcm yg jabatan lain buat.. contoh jabatan kesihatan yang saman org bela jentik2 tuh..

tom5190 Publish time 22-11-2009 05:54 PM

Kes ini belum boleh dianggap putus Jika tidak akan menjadi landmark kes atau precedent bagi kes2 lain AG pastinya akan membuat rayuan......Kalau ade saman2 tu simpanlah dulu elok2 Manelah tau...keputusan Makamah akan berubah pula

Gemukkkkkkk Publish time 22-11-2009 07:44 PM

tapi sekarang ni dari segi undang-undang, cemana pulak?memang betul takde kuasa ke atau pasal local council tu tak ikut procedure yang betul?

philipinoe2 Publish time 22-11-2009 09:25 PM

legaaaa, ade 100 saman parking dbkl skangni...:lol::sweat3:

atira Publish time 22-11-2009 09:57 PM

penat je dbkl kuorkan saman parking berlambak... he he he...
aku pon tak pernah bayar...

dari segi undang2 aku tak sure sangat la... kalau tak sah apa kejadahnye yg rajin dok saman2 orang selama ni

Gemukkkkkkk Publish time 22-11-2009 10:04 PM

tu yang aku harapkan pakar-pakar perundangan kat ci ni boleh bagi komen.bab berkongsi ilmu, takkan diorang nak bersifat kedekut.
atau, takkan setakat nak bergaduh politik je diorang pandai... :o;P:lol::laugh3:

cm_gagahperkasa Publish time 22-11-2009 10:12 PM

kes kelling lagi

fezy Publish time 22-11-2009 10:15 PM

tapi sekarang ni dari segi undang-undang, cemana pulak?memang betul takde kuasa ke atau pasal local council tu tak ikut procedure yang betul?
Gemukkkkkkk Post at 22-11-2009 19:44 http://eforum2.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif

aku tak rase local council x ikut procedure.
sbb dalam paper tadi kata memang ade peruntukan dalam local government act yg kata diorg leh dakwa orang.
masalahnye, lawyer tu lah pulak bijak auta n guna plak satu peuntukan dalam federal constutition yg kata kuasa mendakwa hanya ada pada a-g.
high court pun setuju la dalam kes ni.
TAPI, kes ni pun punya basis kuat sbb local council x adil.
elok selama ni amamt tu berniaga secara halal... tapi sbb ko nak 'laku'kan pasar ko (n of cos la dapat kutip duit sewa or yg sewaktu denggannye, kan?)... ko 'ugut' mamat tuh xnak renew license mamat tuh. apa hal?
local council macam cipaniii

fezy Publish time 22-11-2009 10:17 PM

pesal taip c i b a i jadi cipan?
bongok tul cari nih

Gemukkkkkkk Publish time 22-11-2009 10:18 PM

ooo maksudnya pejabat AG je la yang boleh dakwa diorang ekkk..tapi saman dan denda tu masih boleh dikuatkuasakan la, kan?
ooo ok terimakasih!

Muntz Publish time 23-11-2009 03:02 AM

penat je dbkl kuorkan saman parking berlambak... he he he...
aku pon tak pernah bayar...

dari segi undang2 aku tak sure sangat la... kalau tak sah apa kejadahnye yg rajin dok saman2 orang selama n ...
atira Post at 22-11-2009 21:57 http://forum.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif

Actually yg salah parking tu compoundable.. maksudnya ia belum masuk 'saman' lagi, cuma kompaun jer. Dalam tempoh beberapa hari, jumlah kompaun akan meningkat, tapi masih bawah compound. Dia ada prosedur dia.. local council takleh immediately prosecute kita sbb salah parking.

Kes kat atas nie sesuatu yg sangat rare.. di mana mgkin local council directly prosecute dan bawak ke court.. tanpa mengikut saluran2 atau prosedur2 yg telah ditetapkan.

cyclotron Publish time 23-11-2009 08:54 AM

AG boleh je isu/lantikkan siapa-siapa dari penjawat awam (sah selagi dia berkhidmat) berlandaskan dari peruntukakn dari CPC untuk memberi kuasa (2 dua seksyen pasal ni) bagi memberi kuasa (locus standi) untuk mendakwa di mahkamah. contohnya macam kes-kes yang bersifat teknikal memang AG taknak bawa sendiri kes di mahkamah.

TUKANGKEBUN Publish time 23-11-2009 11:08 AM

tu yang aku harapkan pakar-pakar perundangan kat ci ni boleh bagi komen.bab berkongsi ilmu, takkan diorang nak bersifat kedekut.
atau, takkan setakat nak bergaduh politik je diorang pandai... :o;P: ...
Gemukkkkkkk Post at 22-11-2009 22:04 http://forum.cari.com.my/images/common/back.gif:lol: :lol:sapa tu MUKKKKK

shazuyi Publish time 23-11-2009 11:11 AM

heheh..aku taw hal ni sebenarnye..:lol:

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