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Vokuro posted on 23-10-2013 06:04 PM 
kak lisa,
akak mmg plan zurich airport > pekan zurich singgah pose2 kejap > lucerne(pun singga ...
kat luzern tak naik mt titlis, mt pilatus kah?
kalau gi swiss tak naik pergunungan mana sah kakak
beg bole simpan kat dalam locker kakak.. bersepah2 locker kat train station dia.. just masukkan duit n kunci sajork..
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Vokuro posted on 23-10-2013 06:04 PM
kak lisa,
akak mmg plan zurich airport > pekan zurich singgah pose2 kejap > lucerne(pun singga ...
jgn Q kat sini. tmpt ni hanya utk beli normal point-to-point tickets. Just around the corner from the Railway Center on the same level. iols dulu tak tau so buang masa Q lama2 dah la time summer ramai org Q.
isshhh.. bestnye uols nak gi dah.. ai is super jelezzz!!
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mesmerize posted on 23-10-2013 07:30 PM
kat luzern tak naik mt titlis, mt pilatus kah?
kalau gi swiss tak naik pergunungan mana sah kak ...
Titlis kat sana eh? Akak kena naik gunung yg murah murah jah untuk pose salji. Sebab sekarang mcm tak berapa sejuk dan takde snow dah kat area akak nak pergi. Hatta kat kleine sheidegg pun snow dah kering. Hari tu jah snow sekejap sebelah sana. Akak ada ingat ada satu gunung itu covered by swiss pass? |
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dlisa posted on 23-10-2013 08:30 PM
ahkak Vok,
mari kita kaji SBB website: http://www.sbb.ch/en/home.html
Makasih kak, info sangat membantu akak yg malas planning detail sgt ini. |
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Vokuro posted on 23-10-2013 08:37 PM
Makasih kak, info sangat membantu akak yg malas planning detail sgt ini.
train schedule ni penting sbb tau2 je la kan swiss train ni sgt punctual. lewat skit tak ditunggunye kita. so kalo dah terlepas kene la tunggu 30min- 1hr depending mana tmpt u nak gi. so kira buang masa lak kene tunggu tak pasal2. tapi kalo takat lauterbrunnen ke interlaken ost ok la tak jauh sgt.
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Vokuro posted on 23-10-2013 08:34 PM
Titlis kat sana eh? Akak kena naik gunung yg murah murah jah untuk pose salji. Sebab sekarang mcm ...
dari luzern train station pegi engelberg je swiss pass cover kak, dari engelberg nak naik cable car ke mt titlis ada surcharge.. berapa chf entah akak pun dah lupa.. tapi tak semahal nak naik jungfraujoch la..
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dlisa posted on 23-10-2013 05:58 PM
iols suka nak start dgn map swiss ni.. as visual aid.. senang nak paham nnt.
From Zurich > Luce ...
Whee thanks @dlisa ! Banyak kena study ni! Hehek. Info you bg ni sgt2 useful..baca thread ni confuse mula2..celah mana Murren etc hehe
Btw, u rasa Labour Day bukak tak main attractions n train operates tak? Risau pulak sebab tu international public holiday kan. If ikut plan I, 1st may tu memang kat swiss
N personally, u rasa view mana cantik? Interlaken-Luzern-Zurich/basel OR Zurich/Basel-Luzern-Interlaken . If tengok cost macam lebih kurang..tp saja nak tau hehe..mana tau ada comparison ke
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syuonthedot posted on 23-10-2013 09:44 PM
Whee thanks @dlisa ! Banyak kena study ni! Hehek. Info you bg ni sgt2 useful..baca thread ni confu ...
I totally get what U mean!  ai remember dulu2 masa mula2 nak get to know swiss ni mmg rasa payah.. rasa intimidating sgt. nak pahamkan pasal pass dia yg mcm2 jenih tu pun dah fening. tak lagi nama town/village dia yg susah nak sebut. but once uols dah sampai sana.. sumenya mudah sgt. cepat je akan paham. ekceli swiss ni so easy nak travel. transportation system dia mmg sungguh2 ohsem & punctual. so lepas uols balik dari swiss nanti uols akan jadi expert & bleh guide org lain pulak kat forum ni like so many forumers yg dah sampai sana
according to this website labor day is not a public holiday utk seluruh swiss.. hanya certain2 canton(daerah) je yg cuti.
http://www.feiertagskalender.ch/geo.php?geo=3056&jahr=2012&klasse=5&ft_id=22&hl=en
so Lauterbrunnen & Interlaken tu dlm canton Bern, which is tak holiday on 1st may. begitu jugak dgn canton Luzern. tapi lain halnya dgn canton zurich. canton zurich ni treats labor day holiday as type 2, a special sunday:
--> All public services/administrations, schools, post offices, shops and business are closed, however museums, cinemas, restaurants, kiosks, and shops at "rail cities", if there are any at all, are open.
meaning only local transportation dlm zurich yg affected, and only from 0830 to 1330. The S bahn (local rail network) continues to operate as does the entire SBB system so if uols amik train ke Luzern no problem, still run. tapi getting to the train station kat zurich could be a problem though, either go before 0830 or after 1330 or take S bahn. maybe uols tak affected kot sbb uols akan sampai dari paris terus ke interlaken (betul ke train straight sampai interlaken?)
pasal view tu. iols tak sampai lagi ke basel so tak leh nak advice camana. Interlaken-Luzern-Zurich OR Zurich-Luzern-Interlaken sama jah view nya sbb train lalu track yg sama. kejap2 uols akan ke kanan tingkap, kejap2 akan ke kiri. uols akan lalu Brünig pass yg sgt ohsem viewnye. yg penting jgn tido masa dlm train 
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mesmerize posted on 23-10-2013 08:58 PM
dari luzern train station pegi engelberg je swiss pass cover kak, dari engelberg nak naik cable ca ...
just to inform kalo nak gi Mt. Titlis:
Maintenance work 2013: 4 - 15 November 2013
All cable cars and restaurants remain closed during this time.
tak sure bila date akak Vok akan sampai ke Luzern.. hopefully tak kene
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dlisa posted on 24-10-2013 06:44 AM
I totally get what U mean! ai remember dulu2 masa mula2 nak get to know swiss ni mmg rasa payah ...
OMG thank youuu @dlisa !!
lega dengar labour day sana tak cuti. I'm not worries about zurich sebab ikut plan I, I pergi Zurich on the 2nd.
from paris to interlaken, apa I tau change train kat Bern kan? TGV train tu.
My plan gini:
Day 1: Paris-Bern-Interlaken-Lauterbrunnen
Day 2: Lauterbrunnen(Sightseeing). Then off to-Interlaken-Lake Brienz-Lauterbrunnen
Day 3: Lauterbrunnen-Luzern-Zurich-London/Lauterbrunnen-Luzern-Basel-London (This one I have to compare cost first, which flight is cheaper, Zurich to London OR Basel to London)
ada few question lagi ni @dlisa . mohon pencerahan 
1) Day 1 tu singgah Interlaken sebab nak change train to Lauterbrunnen je. Day 2 baru jalan2 kat Interlaken. Or got direct train from Bern to Lauterbrunnen?
2) Based on my plan, worth tak I use swiss pass? Or use point to point je?
3) Since u cakap weather early may is not good for hiking, so harapan laa nak pergi Murren ni  Apa je boleh buat kat Lauterbrunnen tu eh?
4) Lucerne apa activity besides visiting Chapal Bridge?
5) Ada tak activity macam apple/pear picking ke during that time?
6) Seriously, weather mmg lousy eh during that time? Yelaaa Swiss is damn expensive. I taknak bayar mahal2 sampai2 swiss, tak cantik, ku kecewa dah laa I bawak orang. If yes, I choose Milan n Venice instead. Cuz the main reason I choose Swiss is the scenery. Trip ni I'm doing research alone, kawan2 iols get ready duit n ikut je hehe. Paris & London more to buildings, Amsterdam city and flowers. So Swiss macam different kan, scenery. If Italy pun buildings jugak. Taknak my friends bosan tengok building je hehe. Really need advice from u @dlisa
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dlisa posted on 24-10-2013 06:53 AM
just to inform kalo nak gi Mt. Titlis:
Maintenance work 2013: 4 - 15 November 2013
ngam2 jah akak sampai sebelum itu, akak sampai zurich 2 nov katanya.
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syuonthedot posted on 23-10-2013 09:44 PM
Whee thanks @dlisa ! Banyak kena study ni! Hehek. Info you bg ni sgt2 useful..baca thread ni confu ...
iols try nak jawap yg uols tanya kat thread europe:
Specific date kat Swiss: 23rd-25th april 2014. InsyaAllah..
23rd early morning gerak from paris..and 25th petang tu fly to london either from zurich or basel
I nak based kat lauturbrunnen..Valley Hostel <<< good choice
Valley Hostel kesukaan ramai  iols amik pic ni ogos hari tu
nak tanya la..if nak pergi murren or wangen from lauterbrunnen kena hiking kan? ke I silap info ni? hahaha
kalau time constraint, dapat lepak2 kat lauterbrunnen pun jadi laaa.
>>> bleh jah nak hiking tapi amik masa la sebab dia uphill. yg senang naik je train. kalo uols nak gi ke Wengen, amik train dari lauterbrunnen, train journey dlm 14min jah. free dgn swiss pass. kat Lauterbrunnen train station tu hanya ada 2 tracks train, satu gi/from Interlaken, satu lagi gi/from Wengen. kalo nak gi Murren dari Lauterbrunnen pulak, amik cable car dari Lauterbrunnen LBM station (station cable car). dekat je station ni dari station ketapi lauterbrunnen. seberang jalan je dari train station. building sebelah dgn COOP. dlm gambar bawah ni, building putih tu is yg BLM. naik cable tu ke station Grütschalp, dlm 4min je ridenya. pastu turun dari cable car naik pulak a small train yg sedia menanti utk bawak uols ke Murren, quite leceh jugak nak sampai ke Murren ni, calang2 org mmg tak sampai la ke Murren tapi once dah sampai view dia sgt2 ohsem provided kalo weather clear la kan.
COOP Lauterbrunnen & sebelahnya Lauterbrunnen BLM
kat sini la uols akan beratur tunggu cable car turun dari Grütschalp. driver cable car tu akan cek pass uols b4 naik.
bila dah sampai Murren uols bleh la jalan2 kat village tu.. posing2 sakan. kalo bleh cek dulu weather ok tak masa kat train station Lauterbrunnen. tapi time uols yg very limited mmg takde choice sgt la kalo nak delay2. redah je la kekdahnya. nak turun balik ke Lauterbrunnen, uols bleh naik balik train tadi ke Grütschalp then ride the cable car again.
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kupay posted on 30-9-2013 09:43 AM
salam to otai2 thread swiss ni..nak tanye, klu swiss pass dh hbs (ni sy check thru website)...kt man ...
wasalam kupay,
swiss pass takkan habis...yg habis mungkin swiss pass yg di jual oleh agent2 tertentu
you boleh beli swiss pass bila sampai di your point of entry nnt...
lebih senang kalau you terus cari SBB office di main station.
Most cities like ada SBB complex...
and dont forget to get familiarise with SBB website sebelum you start your travel OK
salam
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KIM.mafia posted on 3-10-2013 01:35 AM
lg 1 nak tanya kalau nak buat paragliding tu, LB ada ke?
kena book online saja atau bleh walk in?
ye paragliding office ade di lauterbrunnen..just go to airtime cafe..they will pick you up from your hotel/hostel and take you to take off point....the office is 5 minutes walk from valley hostel
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mycheezy posted on 23-10-2013 08:07 AM
noted. tu la i mmg tak abih bace ..byk nak plak page nye..terus tanye kot boleh tau info ...
noted. tu la I mmg tak abih bace..byk nak plak page nye..terus tanye kot boleh tau info terus..hahaha..sorry ye..nnti I bc cket2x..
Dear MyCheesy,
First I nak minta maaf sekiranya I dah kecik kan hati you...I didnt mean it and the last thing I want is for you to stay away and not benefit from anything from this board.
Let me explain why I posted mcm tu pd you..
selalunya bila forumer nak ke mana-mana nasihat I is to do your homework first. Tidak ade istilah tak ade masa nak study.
The fact that you have and are going to spend money on your travels constitute a mandatory knowledge about the places where you want to visit.
The very essential thing that you need to know is what do you want to see. What is your wish list. Orang lain tak tahu citarasa you sbb kite berbeza jd selera adelah berlainan.
The point I want to stress to you and the others is jangan depend on others for infos. Cari your own jugak....
Sebabnya I terima banyak case yg mane ade yg mengadu disebabkan terlalu bergantung kpd info yg org bg trip dia jd ruin.
You ingat semua info tepat dan padat tp bila sampai sana tak seperti yg di beritahu.
Rugi duit sbb plan dah lari dr itinerary atau accommodation yg org tu reccommend sebenarnya tak sesuai.
So salah siapa? Nak marah yg bg info? Ye dia mmg salah sbb bg info tak tepat dan mcm ade kepentingan sendiri saje, TAPI yg patut dipersalahkan ialah diri sendiri sbb study tak habis, ilmu tak cukup...kan...kan...kan....
Dan saya nak tekankan yg switzerland ni on the surface mmg look difficult to master tapi sebenarnya tidak. Kalau you baca mesti you faham.
Dan bila you bgtahu you tak habis baca di situ lah you akan sangkut. Tapi kalau betul2 you takde masa dan trip dah dekat dan kesuntukan menjadikan trip you susah nnt, OK..then kami bantu..seriously...ramai je yg last minute dpt peluang ke switzerland..so no hal la there...
saya pun dah banyak bg tips ttg switzerland ni and what i give are all in this thread...please baca ye...tak faham please tanya...nobody is gonna say otherwise..
kalau you terus tanya dan tanpa buat research, ape yg di terangkan pun tak menjadikan you faham..sbb you wouldnt know what they are talking about..so sikit2 knowledge about the places you want to go tu sgt penting..
......pasal banyak nak baca kat thread.....
ni lah yg saya selalu nak bagitahu semua...JANGAN BERBORAK DI THREAD...
sbbnya bila dapat kes mcm you ni jd kelamkabut lah sbb mane nak saring info...mane nak skip tang berborak lagi...belum lagi yg dah kelautnya dgn off topic..
so yang suka berborak kat thread sana sini stop please. Forumer like mycheesy is the classic example. Korang berborak sakan dia pulak yg jadi mangsa...dia nak info dlm thread...dan bila dia cari terpaksa buang masa going through nonsence....kesian kan?
Berpada2lah sikit...bukan tak boleh borak langsung...Tapi kalau benda ni berlarutan...I have to take stern actions...
dan kalau ade yg nak bg input tu bg lah input yg ikhlas dan cuba terangkan dgn jelas...dah tahu orang tu buat silap lagi mau tanya....susah sangat ke share info? If you want to help others please do, if you have nothing to say, then dont post anything....
Well.....Unless nak collect brownie points maybe???? ....
but that's not how we do things here...sorry!
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dlisa posted on 24-10-2013 01:26 PM
part 2:
Lucerne if course nak visit Chapel Bridge..lain2 belum habis research lagi. Apa best eh ...
selain bridge tu uols bleh tgk lion monument tapi agak jauh skit.
I beg to differ.....That's not true. The lion monument is just 7 to 10 minutes easy walk from the station...it's well worth the visit because it's one of the iconic structure of Lucerne......it is very well sign posted and you wont get lost.....on the way there, you pass by some very beautiful old architecture of the old town....
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I went in spring....this is Chapel Bridge in Lucern...ade jah bunga2 kat bridge tu....
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syuonthedot posted on 24-10-2013 12:47 PM
OMG thank youuu @dlisa !!
lega dengar labour day sana tak cuti. I'm not worries about zurich seb ...
1) Day 1 tu singgah Interlaken sebab nak change train to Lauterbrunnen je. Day 2 baru jalan2 kat Interlaken. Or got direct train from Bern to Lauterbrunnen? >>> train dari Bern akan lalu Interlaken Ost sebab Interlaken Ost tu hub yg penting. then uols kene tukar train lain pulak utk ke Lauterbrunnen.
2) Based on my plan, worth tak I use swiss pass? Or use point to point je? >>> like I said b4, swiss pass hanya ada utk 4,8,15,22 hari je. so uols kurang 1 hari. bleh cek utk pass2 yg lain mana2 yg sesuai dgn bilangan hari uols.
3) Since u cakap weather early may is not good for hiking, so harapan laa nak pergi Murren ni Apa je boleh buat kat Lauterbrunnen tu eh? >>> weather yg kurang baik selalu nya kat mountains, higher level. early may tu masih sejuk & sesetgh tmpt ada snow lagi tapi kalo area yg rendah mcm Lauterbrunnen valley tu bleh ajer uols hiking especially uols bleh hike dari lauterbrunnen ke Trummelbach Falls, lalu tepi sungai, track dia landai je. kalo uols larat lagi, bleh teruskan hike sampai ke Stechelberg tapi kalo tak larat, uols bleh la patah balik ke Lauterbrunnen, bleh naik bas tak payah hike lagi otw back. bas free dgn swiss pass. kat Murren uols still bleh hike ringan2, jalan sampai ke hujung Murren & patah balik
4) Lucerne apa activity besides visiting Chapal Bridge? >>> dah jawab dlm earlier post
5) Ada tak activity macam apple/pear picking ke during that time? >>> apple/pear ni ready nak petik in autumn gitew. masa spring dia baru nak berbunga.
6) Seriously, weather mmg lousy eh during that time? >>> sape bleh predict weather kan tapi normally gitew la kalo kat kawasan gunung2. since uols tak la naik gunung yg betul2 gunung so still ok. april/may ni transition period dari winter ke spring & nak masuk summer, selalu time ni la jugak hujan. just be ready for all possibilities. tu yg bestnye travel ni kan.. 
Trip ni I'm doing research alone, kawan2 iols get ready duit n ikut je hehe. >>> this one iols tak stuju uols sorang2 buat research. iols assume all of U baru 1st time travel ke europe kan? so it's always good kalo sume ada some knowledge b4 going. jgn harapkan sorang je. just nak share my recent experience trip summer baru2 ni. iols sorang jugak yg buat research. tgk2 sampai sana bila train sampai terus terjah naik, tak sempat nak perati betul2 train tu gi mana. last2 salah train. alhamdulillah masa tersedar tu masih lagi kat zurich HBF so still sempat tukar ke train yg betul & tak perlu kene beli tix lain. so moral of d story nye sume org kene alert all d time & tau what to do & expect. so harap2 ur frens lepas ni join uols buat research. ekceli buat research tu dah 50% of d fun nak travel tau
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