Konspirasi, 377B atau 377C? Kisahnya....

ronin

Aku harap ini thread penutup kpd kisah perbicaraan Anwar dan cerita pasal Shafiee buat pendedahan demi pendedahan berkenaan Anwar...
Section 377C More Serious Than 377B Under Which Anwar Was Charged Under - A-G
KUALA LUMPUR, Feb 12 (Bernama) -- Opposition Leader Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim, who was convicted and sentenced to five years' jail for sodomising his former aide was charged under section 377B of the Penal Code, a less serious offence than section 377C.

Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Gani Patail said the Penal Code provided two instances where a person could be charged for sodomy; section 377B where "with or without consent" is not an ingredient, and section 377C where the act of sodomy is committed without consent or against the will of the other person.

"The other distinguishing feature is the punishment where the law imposes a minimum sentence of five years under section 377C," he said in a statement here Thursday night.

Section 377B has no minimum term of imprisonment, he said.

He said the public prosecutor opted to charge Anwar under section 377B and that was purely based on the prosecutional discretion sanctioned by Article 145(3) of the Federal Constitution.

"The public prosecutor is exercising such discretion will have regard to the facts and circumstances of each case and certainly not at his whims and fancies," added Abdul Gani.

He said as such, it was inappropriate for Bar Council president Christopher Leong to say that the opposition leader should have more properly been charged under section 377C.

"In point of fact, it appears that the president of the Malaysian Bar instead, is suggesting that he (Anwar) should be charged under section 377C which is a more serious offence and which would have exposed Anwar Ibrahim to a minimum sentence of five years and a maximum of 20," he said.

On Tuesday, the Federal Court upheld the Court of Appeal judgement to sentence Anwar to five years jail for sodomising Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan at a condominium in Bukit Damansara in 2008.

The attorney-general in the statement also clarified that the perception of certain parties that Anwar had been charged and convicted for a 'victimless offence' was clearly insupportable.

"Mohd Saiful Bukhari Azlan was the person who suffered. He provided sworn testimony to a court of law of the acts he suffered which are matter of judicial record," he said.

On why Mohd Saiful was not charged for abetment, Abdul Gani explained that the case was akin to that of corruption, where in almost all corruption cases, receiver was charged while the giver was used as a witness against him.

He also denied that the provision 377B of the Penal Code, under which Anwar was charged, was a rarely used provision.

He said based on the attorney-general's chambers and police statistics, a total of 171 cases were charged under the provision from 2010 to 2014. Last year, 34 of the cases were charged.

Meanwhile, a total of 489 cases were charged under section 337C in the past five years.

Abdul Gani said Anwar was also accorded the right to a fair trial and afforded every opportunity to exercise his constitutional rights before the court of law throughout the six-and-a-half year-long proceedings.

-- BERNAMA

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Kittie

Kittie ingat 377B, 377C nih sejenis pensel.

ronin

Kittie replied at 19-2-2015 08:45 PM
Kittie ingat 377B, 377C nih sejenis pensel.

Ada gak kaitan dengan pensel...

poison_paradise

Siyal la.. Asek cite psl liwat je.. Najis

Anak_Nogori

Ya..kita move on lah walaupun ada yg tak faham 377b dan 377c..besok2 timbul balik isu liwat ketum....kita tanya semula lah kenapa sepol tidak didakwa?.

zorrro_03

Ni puak2 babee negara nak elak dari saiful turut dihumban dalam penjara.  Laknat punya babee negara.

ronin

Anak_Nogori replied at 19-2-2015 09:02 PM
Ya..kita move on lah walaupun ada yg tak faham 377b dan 377c..besok2 timbul balik isu liwat ketum... ...

Ada yg pertikaikan Nuar didakwa di bawah 377B (rela atau tidak rela selepas dipaksa) sedangkan kata mereka Saiful boleh melawan....tapi kalau melawan dan kena sodom jugak bermakna boleh didakwa di bawah 377C yg mana hukuman lebih berat..

nurul_akmar

aku xtau sape betul sape slh. tp mahkamah dah putuskan anwar salah. so sepatutnya aku rs xyh la nak citer aib2 org.

mbhcsf

dia macam ni , bukan sangat Shafee tu nak aibkan Anwar tapi  pada pandangan saya  or rather it appears to me that Tan Sri Dr  Muhammad Shafee ( doctorate  ?? ye ?) needs to say something about the verdict because of these two reasons laaa

ialah sebab dua benda ni


a) Fitnah yg berleuasa oleh si tertuduh / now pesalah yg mengatakan ia konspirasi  what not dan di luar mahkamah benda ni dijaja disekeliling pelusuk waima daam ceramah , INI MEMBUATKAN PERSEPSI pesalah ni teraniaya walhal pihak lain yg 'bersalah' tapi yg terlibat dalam semua tahu yg this was NOT the CASE

b) Cer tengok video clip KJ bersama Shafee dalam ceramah sulung kat Kapten Hussein academy tu , teliti satu persatu ayat dia dari sistem mahkamah kita, dari sistem undang undang berkenaan liwat, dari segi konteks mengapa saiful tak rela kali ke-9 tu ( i think dalam video klip tu ada semua unsur ni )

maka anda semua dapat jawapan.


so it depends lah u siapa, political tendency apa dan anda faham BI atau BM dan siapa anda.


sebab pada saya benda ni dah tak ada isu, memang ada elemen beyond reasonable doubt.

saya ingat semua faham FAKTA KES yg Shafee dok buat ni i thionk lebih kepada nak bersihkan imej mahkamah ( dan of course ini juga menangkis ia bukan konspirasi yg nak saja jatuhkan dia apa apa laa)

kita ingat public di sana  faham tapi bila tengok video  clip bersama  Datuk Khairul Anuar di SUKAGUAM  kat satu website akhbar ni yg menjawab persoalan masyarakat rupa rupanya saya sedar yg public kita 'mencerna maklumat' ni dalam level yg amat berbeza dan kekadang soalan yg redundant ditanya seperti

a) kenapa tak di mahkamah syariah versus civil
b) kenapa  tak ada 4 saksi
c) kenapa anwar punya keterangan tak diberi weightage dan INI still ditanya 0 i eman kalau kita tak sabaq la berapa kali otak  boleh cerna yg dia pILIH kat dock dan DIA tak minta diperiksa soal balas like saiful - WHYYY? evading cross examination by the lawyers / court????
d) why saiful  tak kena dakwa
e) berapa duit UMNO bayar etc etc ( i think satu soalan tu )
f) pihak yg prosecute anwar ni pihak government so tentulah  ( INILAH YANG DIKATAKAN SOALAN BERBAUR  PERSEPSI) yg  Datuk KHairul Anuar kena akata hakim hakim di Malaysia masih berintegriti ...kena tengok pulak kes kes yg memihak pada pihak anti establishment  ...
g) sample bandingan specimen dalam rectum+ anus tertuduh dengan sample rambang towl goodmorning etc

ada je pihak media yg buat permohonan semakan sebab depa rasa ada kes depa yg tak mendapat perhatian yg atau kadilan yang sepenuhnya beberapa menjak yg lalu berkenaan satu kes saman seorang politician  masa tu..... i  mean ...ada je verdict tak memihak tapi okay je taklah dijaja tiada keadilan etc.

sebenarnya ia berbalik pada kita jugak.

mbhcsf

nurul_akmar replied at 19-2-2015 09:27 PM
aku xtau sape betul sape slh. tp mahkamah dah putuskan anwar salah. so sepatutnya aku rs xyh la nak  ...

back to fakta kes. itu sahaja bergantung pada kita nak menilai fakta kes itu.

Acong

ingatkan cerita pasal kapal terbang MAS & AirAsia

jengkoil

Kittie replied at 19-2-2015 08:45 PM
Kittie ingat 377B, 377C nih sejenis pensel.

Bunyi mcm saiz tek je...

Acong

apasal si ketum tak kena sebat?

mbhcsf

Acong replied at 19-2-2015 09:51 PM
apasal si ketum tak kena sebat?

ish i mean tengoklah usia dia, kang susah pulak kalau ada komplikasi like may be ? sakit belakang ke ape ke ..i mean atas dasar perimkemanusiaaan la. i am okay with that.

harap the best for him  taubat la. back to repentance.

Acong

mbhcsf replied at 19-2-2015 09:54 PM
ish i mean tengoklah usia dia, kang susah pulak kalau ada komplikasi like may be ? sakit belakang  ...

berjimak dgn wan azizah tak sakit belakang lak?

ronin

nurul_akmar replied at 19-2-2015 09:27 PM
aku xtau sape betul sape slh. tp mahkamah dah putuskan anwar salah. so sepatutnya aku rs xyh la nak  ...

masaalah Anwar asik bercakap pasal konspirasi jadi Shafiee sebagai pendakwa rasa tercabar dan perlu jelaskan perkara dgn panjang lebar dan penuh detail supaya orang ramai tidak boleh pertikaikan lagi keputusan makhamah....Shafiee pun ada beritahu dia bertindak atas conscience, bermakna kalau dia rasa Anwar tidak bersalah, tidak mungkin dia akan bertindak sebagai pendakwaraya utk jelkan Anwar...

mbhcsf

Acong replied at 19-2-2015 10:04 PM
berjimak dgn wan azizah tak sakit belakang lak?

haishh ...unless ada unsur rotan??? i dunno goshhhh...u sounded like 50 rona kelabu ja. haha

ronin

Acong replied at 19-2-2015 10:04 PM
berjimak dgn wan azizah tak sakit belakang lak?

mana ko tahu sapa top sapa bottom? Kot Jijah yg lebih aktif?

ronin

mbhcsf replied at 19-2-2015 09:35 PM
dia macam ni , bukan sangat Shafee tu nak aibkan Anwar tapi  pada pandangan saya  or rather it appea ...

gosh....I couldn't agree more on your post....