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Isu Lynas-Loji Lynas sedia beroperasi dalam tempoh tiga minggu- MCA Bantah Kilan
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bg aku org yg menentang lynas ni nak claim political millage je.....x usah gebang la....korang merok ...
lkick2113 Post at 27-2-2012 08:22 
apa lkick?... merokok lebih berbahaya?.. concerned citizens being selective over what they want to be concerned about again... |
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mamat afro ni kene sepak telur lagi
polis tengok je
an2toncit Post at 26-2-2012 23:30
Samseng di mana2...
Polis makan gaji buta? 
Apa guna ada polis ada situ kalau gitu?
Sbg pendemo jugak? |
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sabarlah dia dok google tu... xpun dia spin balik soalan tu
B.K Post at 27-2-2012 09:37
semalam lagi aku dah tanya  |
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Reply 138# abgboroi
dia tanya naper xbuat kat australia... ada ko jawab? ...
LYNAS offer peluang pekerjaan pada penduduk setempat der.
Jangan bohong. Peluang pekerjaan cuma 350 sahaja. Dan sudah tentu ia bukan boleh guna sebarangan buruh. Ia perlukan buruh mahir dan separuh mahir. Dan ia perlukan seorang yang tahu mengendalikan operasi mesin dan sistem. Ia juga perlukan seseorang yang berpengalaman tinggi bagi menguruskan kilang. Apakah layak orang malaysia mengetuai lynas? Tidak. LYNAS [ MALAYSIA ] 100% dimiliki oleh australia. Kita takde saham satu sen. So apa keuntungan kepada penduduk kuantan untuk mereka bersedia menanggung risiko? Jawapan nya ialah ==> TIADA.
LYNAS jana pendapatan ekonomi negara der. Bayangkan permintaan yang tinggi terhadap rare earth. Berapa banyak malaysia boleh dapat? Untung siot.
Ya. Tapi masalahnya lynas neh bukan malaysia punya. Malaysia [atas nama kerajaan] tiada apa2 saham ataupun kepentingan pun jika lynas neh beroperasi di malaysia. Malahan ia bebas cukai selama 12 tahun. Macam mana kerajaan nak menjana ekonomi dari lynas aku tatau. Kalau atas nama individu, ya ada. Tetapi itu individu dan syarikat proksi pro pemimpin kerajaan. Still keuntungan nya tidak mendapat kepada rakyat dan kerajaan. Ia swasta. Bukan hak milik kita keuntungan tersebut.
Jadi sekali lagi penduduk kuantan tertanya2 apa keuntungan kepada mereka untuk membiarkan mereka sanggup berhadapan dengan risiko tinggi seperti ini?
Fikirkan teknologi yang kita boleh belajar dari mereka. Saintis PAS pun setuju. Apa masalahnya?
Apakah che rosli satu2nya saintis yang wujud di malaysia neh? Bagaimana pula dengan pakar lain yang turut tidak bersetuju dengan lynas? Apa yang membuatkan korang mesti berpegang kepada kata2 che rosli dan meninggalkan kata2 pakar yang lain? Adakah hanya che rosli yang di iktirafkan sebagai pakar di malaysia neh manakala yang lain bukan? Ya.. though dia dari pas tapi still kilang lynas bukan di bina di sebelah rumah dia.
Saintis, doktor, peguam, nurse atau apa sahaja mereka juga kerap kali berbeza pandangan sesama mereka. Tidak terkecuali pun dalam isu lynas. Pandangan che rosli tidak salah. Dia menyokong kerana dia merasakan bahawa ada sesuatu kebaikan yang sainstis malaysia boleh dapat dari projek neh. Tapi dia lupa, nyawa manusia bukan bahan kajian.
Mungkin dia fikir jika kilang lynas di bina mengikuti spesifikasi yang ditetapkan, mematuhi semua protokol, mengikuti semua peraturan maka tiada apa2 yang akan berlaku. Tetapi dia sekali lagi terlupa bencana alam bukan sesuatu yang aku dan mana2 individu dapat kawal. Amek contoh mudah iaitu kapal terbang.
Manusia telah sedaya upaya membina kapal terbang sebaik yang mungkin agar tiada apa2 kerosakkan. Ini perlu bagi mengelakkan kemalangan. Kalau nak tahu protokol dan piawaian mereka sangat2 ketat. Tetapi tetap berlaku juga nahas kapal terbang samada kecuaian manusia ataupun tragedi alam.
Kenapa? Sebab ada sesuatu yang sebaik mana pun kita merancang, kita tidak boleh melawan sesuatu yang Allah swt rancang. Sama dalam kes lynas. Walaupun ia ada manfaat tetapi manfaat yang merisikokan nyawa manusia tidak sepatutnya jadi pertimbangan langsung.
Lynas neh selamat der. Jangan lah fikir negatif sangat.
Kalau ia sungguh selamat kenapa australia tidak bina di negara sendiri? Negara mereka lebih besar dan luas dari malaysia tapi kenapa malaysia? Kenapa negara2 lain yang lebih mahir dan maju tak bina? Contohnya jepun yang juga akan menjadi antara pelanggan utama lynas malaysia. Kenapa jepun tak bina sendiri? Kenapa negara2 lain tak bina? Sebab tiada rare earth kat tempat mereka? Kat australia yang ada rare earth pun bina di malaysia kenapa pula?
Jawapan nya mudah. Ia selamat hanya jika ia memenuhi spesifikasi. Ia selamat selagi tiada kebocoran. Ia selamat selagi dikendalikan dengan cekap dan teratur. Ia selamat selagi manusia dan mesin yang menguruskan pemprosesan rare earth neh tidak rosak, tidak cuai dan lalai. Adakah semua perkara2 neh bersifat kekal? Tidak. Sebab tue negara2 lain tak cukup bodoh untuk bina di negara mereka sendiri.
China yang terlebih dahulu bina kilang rare earth tue telah menghasilkan pelbagai disaster kepada rakyatnya sendiri. Tidak kah anda sedar? Aku of course bukan pakar tapi apakah penulisan neh boleh korang nafikan ia? Baca sini.
Faktor kewangan, pelaburan dan strategik perniagaan lah der..
Okey. Sekali lagi, untuk siapa orang kuantan taruhkan nyawa mereka? LYNAS? Siapa lynas? Apa kaitan nya dengan rakyat kuantan dan kerajaan? Apa keuntungan yang kita akan dapat setelah merisikokan nyawa disini? Perlu ada sesuatu yang kita patut terima bukan? Kalau hanya sainstis dan orang2 tertentu jek terima maka apa perlu seluruh rakyat kuantan pula menjadi taruhan? Nampak tak?
Ia mungkin mengurangkan beban lynas australia. Mungkin strategik bagi mereka. Mungkin keuntungan bagi mereka tapi apa pula yang kuantan dapat setelah merisikokan semua neh demi lynas australia? Apa?
Mereka tak dapat apa. Mereka hanya dapat ketakutan. Mereka hanya dapat kebimbangan. Mereka risau. Jika kita di tempat mereka, kita juga akan menghadapi perkara yang sama. Cakap memang senang. Ia selamat dan etc2. Okey, letakkan ia di sebelah rumah ko. Kenapa pula perlu letakkan ia di kawasan yang orang tak mahu?
Jika najib mahu, adnan mahu, penyokong2 umno mahu, che rosli mahu, orang yang belajar bidang neh mahu maka silalah suruh lynas buat kilang di sebelah rumah anda. Anda sendiri duduk dan tinggal di kawasan yang anda kata selamat. Jangan risikokan orang yang tak ingin terdedah dengan semua jenis bentuk ancaman neh. Kan tak adil disitu. Kenapa yang tidak menyokong perlu menerima risiko dan yang menyokong langsung tak mahu pula menerima risiko?
Dan tahu kah anda impak negatif daripada pembinaan kilang lynas neh? Harga rumah, tanah dan sekitar kuantan jatuh. Sapa nak duduk dekat kilang yang ada radiasi? Ko gila? Aku tak ingin. Malahan orang yang menyokong juga tak ingin. Macam mana pula orang yang tak menyokong boleh jadi ada ingin pula?
Kesan penyakit. Siapa yang akan bayar kos perubatan jika mereka sakit? Kerajaan ? Orang yang menyokong? tv 3? BN? Che rosli? Sapa pun takmo. Tapi suruh orang pergi check doktor kalau terkena radiasi.
Wahhh.. senang dan sedap betul bercakap seolah2 rakyat kuantan petik duit kat pokok dan amek neh doktor aku nak check radiasi ada ke takde. Kalau ada aku juga kena keluarkan duit aku untuk rawat diri aku sendiri. Siapa yang tolong dan bantu aku setelah aku bersusah payah membenarkan radiasi beroperasi di tempat aku? Sekali lagi. Tiada siapa yang sudi setelah memaksa rakyat kuantan berkorban, tiada sesiapa pun yang sudi tanggung risiko.
Mereka2 yang kononnya hebat bercakap dan konon nya cerdik pandai juga tidak sudi amek risiko tetapi memaksa rakyat marhaen menanggung risiko? Dan sekali lagi rakyat menikam rakyat disini.
Ia tidak begitu menyakitkan jika pemimpin yang menikam rakyat. Ini kerana kita tahu pemimpin lazim nya gila kuasa. Tetapi apa yang sakit dan apa yang membuatkan kita luka lebih dalam ialah apabila ada rakyat yang menyokong pemimpin untuk mengadaikan nyawa rakyat disini. Tahu kah anda apa itu pengkhianatan? Tengok cermin.
Read more: http://amenoworld.blogspot.com/2 ... .html#ixzz1nXglefOM |
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Tgh pikir nak spin lah tu...
Manami Post at 27-2-2012 09:39
spin menda...bukan aku kena tangkap khalwat pun citer benda lain...tu baru namanya spin...kilang tu x beroperasi pun lagi...ko nak nafikan kepentingan ekonomi dengan projek ni? |
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sejak bila pulak x boleh google ni...kan google tu sumber knowledge
pasal di johor tu ...
abgboroi Post at 27-2-2012 09:42 
aku bukan MN C.K... dan kaitan aku dengan terengganu cuma skandal aku orang terengganu jer |
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Post Last Edit by Manami at 27-2-2012 09:49
Reply 140# abgboroi
Org Ostolia pon xnak radioactive waste ni.. Apa hal plak kita yg terhegeh2? Hang ni nak sokong hapa sebenornya? Pemimpin Mesia ni dah bingai sgt xtau investor mana yg lebih menguntungkan rakyat? Lagi mau bwk masok high risk investment mcm nih? Ostolia yg vangang ke Mesia yg vangan nih? 
West Australia will not allow entry of Lynas waste from Malaysia
Lynas has again been denied support by the Australian government regarding the highly controversial waste material to be produced from its $200-million rare earths processing plant in Malaysia.
“National legislation stipulates that Australia will not accept responsibility for any waste product produced from offshore processing of resources purchased in Australia such as iron ore, mineral sands and the rare earth produced by Lynas Corporation,” Norman Moore, Western Australian Minister for Mines and Petroleum, told the Free Malaysia Today in a statement.
“Australia does not support the importation and storage of other countries’ radioactive waste.”
On February 2, the Atomic Energy Licensing Board (AELB) of Malaysia and the Science, Technology and Innovation Ministry (Mosti) granted to Australian miner Lynas the highly coveted temporary operating license (TOL) needed to advance the rare earths processing plant in Gebeng, Kuantan.
But the TOL was released not without a number of conditions, most delicate of which is that Lynas must assume full responsibility for waste management from its plant. And if worse comes to worst, AELB and Mosti want all waste generated by the Malaysian plant should be brought back to where it came from – Lynas’s Mount Weld mine in Western Australia.
However, Raja Abdul Aziz Raja Adnan, AELB director-general, continued to rally on the board’s decision, saying returning the waste to Australia was part of a number of options, if not the ultimate, final resort.
The AELB already has Plan B, C and D in place, the Free Malaysia Today reported, quoting Adnan.
Robin Chapple, Greens MP, supported the radioactive waste must be processed right at Mount Weld and placed immediately back in the ground from where it came from – the very reasons why China had slashed its rare earths exports quota because it wants to ensure the health of its environment and citizens.
“One of the major reasons China has reduced its rare earth output and exports since 2009 was the government’s and public concern that mining and refining operations were causing excessive contamination to surrounding areas,” Chapple said in a press statement issued after the release of the TOL approval.
http://www.eco-business.com/news/west-australia-will-not-allow-entry-of-lynas-waste-from-malaysia/ |
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Reply abgboroi
dia tanya naper xbuat kat australia... ada ko jawab? ...
LYNAS offer ...
B.K Post at 27-2-2012 09:44
aku tak guna blog blog politik utk jawap soalan..aku baca nytimes...dan laporan lain...
x buat di australia? dah malaysia yang tarik lynas kesini...aku dah sebut dalam posting sebelum ni...ko tanya ku nan tu apsal dia minat ngan lynas...maybe dia suka pakai iphone yang penuh ngan rare earth.... |
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aku bukan MN C.K... dan kaitan aku dengan terengganu cuma skandal aku orang terengganu jer ...
B.K Post at 27-2-2012 09:45
sajer ajer usik usik manja gitu ehe... |
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Reply 146# abgboroi
Dah masok bab KHALWAT pulak prrfthhhhhhhhh 
Camni ke level MOD? Sapalah yg angkat hang ni jadik MOD ek?  |
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dulu kat bukit merah pon beria kata selamat...
sekarang ni... tempat pembuangan tu masih berbahaya... bak kata Tun M  |
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Post Last Edit by abgboroi at 27-2-2012 09:54
camni laa korang ni x baca dari awal thread..aku ulang balik post #70 ....soalan tu google pun banyak jawapan..x yah tanya aku pun dan banyak laporan dari pihak luar....
The Truth About Lynas In Kuantan
By: Melinda Mazhar
Lynas, a simple, honest chemical processing plant in Kuantan, is somehow dragged into politics by irresponsible politicians who are out of genuine issues to fight for. Now, these politicians disguise themselves as environmental champion, plan to hold a protest to stop Lynas from operating, claiming that the chemical processing is hazardous to human and the environment.
However, they are not at all interested in going by the law and apply for a court injunction to legally and seriously stop the operation which is evident that this protest is nothing but a political stunt.
Tireless efforts are made by the Lynas team to explain, but these desperados refuse to listen or even visit the plant. As such, there seems to be no ending to this Lynas issue.
Believe it or not, the public are not all aware of this whole thing about Lynas controversies. Now, here’s what it’s all about:
FACTS AND FALLACIES OF LYNAS PART 1
Allegations by Oppositions:
Facts:
Lynas takes advantage of weaknesses in Malaysian law by proposing China standard.
Malaysia’s law on radiological safety and health is AT PAR if not STRICTER THAN any of those used internationally. Lynas has never proposed the used of any China’s standard.
Australian law restricts construction of such plant within 35km radius of residential area.
There is no such Australian law or even other international law on this. The nearest town to Mt. Weld, Laverton just HAPPENS TO BE 35km away. The distance is not a requirement.
Lynas brought in lanthanide concentrate without license.
Lynas DID NOT and HAS NEVER brought in any lanthanide concentrate into Malaysia. The logistical trial run carried out by Lynas used an empty container instead.
Lynas came to Malaysia to avoid strict Australian rules.
Malaysia regulatory requirements IS EQUAL TO or STRICTER THAN that of Australia’s. But, Malaysia is chosen for its:
- conducive and competitive investment climate
- optimum resources.
Lynas was chased out from Terengganu due to environmental reasons.
Lynas WAS NEVER chased out of Terengganu. But, Gebeng has the required port facilities, reliable support facilities and technically competent work force.
Lynas is a nuclear plant.
Lynas is NOT a nuclear plant but a simple chemical processing plant operating at atmospheric pressure and ambient temperature. Therefore, there will be no fire or explosion that will cause radioactive dispersion and contamination into the environment.
Lynas is the same as the controversial Asian Rare Earth (ARE) plant.
ARE uses monazite as raw material and Lynas DO NOT use monazite. Lynas’s raw material radioactivity is 37 times LESS than ARE. Lynas residue is 60 time LESS radioactive than ARE.
Environment will be polluted because the plant is located in a swampy land with shallow water table.
Lynas original site is about 2 m above the water table. The site has been prepared by replacing with 1.4 m local fill making the site 3.4 M. above water table. The RSF is built on top (not excavated) of the new site. The base of the temporary storage facility is 0.75 M. thick making the base now 4.15 M ABOVE WATER TABLE. The wall of the storage facility is 9 m high.
Radioactive Exposure Prevention measures taken by Lynas:
- Thorium is not soluble in water and thus can be precipitated and separated out.
- HDPE liner will prevent leaching
- Clay (layer below HDPE) has very low permeability to water and that will further prevent any possible leaching.
- Thorium has strong affinity (stick strongly) for clay, thereby further reducing leaching.
- An under liner leak detection system (ULLDS) monitors and detects any possible leak.
Lynas will cause radioactive rain from the gas released by the stack.
In a worst case scenario, the Radiological Impact Assessment estimated that stack release may only contribute 0.002mSv/year to the public which is 500 TIMES LESS THAN THE MAX. PERMISSABLE DOSE LIMIT set by the AELB (1 mSv/year)
The plant uses a lot of acid that can contaminate the soil.
All process areas are built on BUNDED CONTAINMENT CONCRETE structure. Any acid spill will be contained in the bund and WILL NOT come into contact with the ground.
Lynas did not carry out study on internal radiation exposure.
Lynas carries out RIA in accordance to all regulatory requirements and IAEA standards. RIA is an assessment of total dose and risks to critical targets (eg. workers and public) calculated based on all possible exposure pathways. This means that both external and internal exposures were already considered.
Lynas operation will induce cancer and caused deformed newborns.
Statistic from Ministry of Health 2007 shows that cancer prevalence is 720 cases per million. BEFORE LYNAS the, estimated fatal cancer from background radiation at Lynas site is 35 cases per million. With Lynas in operation, based on the 0.002 mSv/y, the estimated fatal cancer is 0.1 case per million.
Radon and Thoron can travel thousands of miles and cause health problems.
Radon and Thoron are radioactive gases with VERY SHORT HALF LIVES AND WILL NOT TRAVEL FAR. Once formed, these radionuclides will immediately transform into solid and cannot travel at significant distances from its base.The dose rate at Lynas outside fence:
Radon – 0.00002 mSv/year
Thoron – 0.002 mSv/year
No level of radioactivity is safe.
Radiation is all around us. Some areas in Perak, Selangor and Langkawi have higher than the average Malaysia’s level of radiation but posed no hazardous onsequences. Radiation is also used in the medical field and it is perfectly safe. |
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dulu kat bukit merah pon beria kata selamat...
sekarang ni... tempat pembuangan tu masih berbahaya. ...
atira Post at 27-2-2012 09:51
ini jawapan utk bukit merah
Lynas is the same as the controversial Asian Rare Earth (ARE) plant.
ARE uses monazite as raw material and Lynas DO NOT use monazite. Lynas’s raw material radioactivity is 37 times LESS than ARE. Lynas residue is 60 time LESS radioactive than ARE. |
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Reply atira
Apakata yg kulu kilir menyokong Lynas ni pi pindah kat tepi kilang Lynas tu? ...
Manami Post at 27-2-2012 09:54
kalau politik aku x nak cakap apa apa... |
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Reply 153# abgboroi
See.. Ostolia pon strict bab2 rare earth ni... Mesia plak terhegeh2?? sapa yg vangang kat sini? Sapa yg sibok canang 'RAKYAT DIDAHULUKAN' kat sini?? Hakikatnyaa??? I repeat: -- > SAPA YG VANGANG & PENTINGKAN $$$$ ??? Pemimpin kapiaq Oz or pemimpin so-called Islam Mesian???  |
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Reply 156# abgboroi
Susah2 sgt.. Ko pi pindah & keje kat Lynas tu haku nak tgk ko & keturunan ko sok cemana.. Boleh?  |
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Post Last Edit by cmf_herrhughie at 27-2-2012 10:02
ini jawapan utk bukit merah
Lynas is the same as the controversial Asian Rare Earth (AR ...
abgboroi Post at 27-2-2012 09:55
yg bukit merah tu dah byk kes kanak2 cacat...dan begitu juga dgn kes negara china (yg ni juga rare earth)...dah ada 2 kes yg terbukti, kenapa nak Lynas lagi? ini bukan kes tikus putih tapi suatu yg 100% terancam |
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kalau politik aku x nak cakap apa apa...
abgboroi Post at 27-2-2012 09:56
Hang ni MOD bod POLITIK, tapi xmo cakap bab POLITIK?? |
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