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Post time 19-12-2009 10:54 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
Salam semua

Saya bakal memasuki rumah yang baru dibeli dr pemilik sebelum ini yang berbangsa cina. Saya mencari panduan apakah penyelesaian terbaik bagi saya samada perlu samak atau tidak bahagian dalaman rumah. Pelbagai pendapat yang saya baca. Ada yg kata perlu samak dan ada yang kata tidak perlu dan ada yg cakap samak bahagian tertentu je. Saya pulak mcm prefer tak samak je sbb benda najis tu bukan kita pernah lihat secara zahir. Owner dulu pun siap cuci dan mop sebelum saya masuk. jadi kesan najis terdahulu mungkin sudah hilang

Apa pun saya sgt menhargai jika ada forumer yg sudi berkongsi ilmu,pengalamandan pandangan
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Post time 19-12-2009 11:07 PM | Show all posts
Samak seelok2-eloknya skrng nie pn dh ada sabun yg sesuai untuk tujuan samak dijual dipasaran..
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Post time 19-12-2009 11:33 PM | Show all posts
lebih baik samak kalu rasa was-was
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Post time 19-12-2009 11:38 PM | Show all posts
Berkenaan dnegan permasaalahan tuan, tuan tidak wajib samak. Mengikut kaedah sesuatu tempat yg bernajis apabila ianya telah kering dan tidak meninggalkan kesan najis samda rasa, bau dan warna, maka ia dihukumkan sebagai  suci. Ini bedasarkan  satu hadis riwayat al Bukhari dari Ibnu Umar yang mafhumnya :
“Dahulu, anjing-anjing kencing, masuk dan keluar masjid pada zaman Rasulullah SAW, dan mereka tidak menyimbah sesuatupun ke atasnya”.

Maksudnya: Anjing-anjing kencing dan masuk keluar ke dalam masjid pada zaman Rasulullah SAW, lalu mereka tidak merenjiskan sesuatu pun daripada yang demikian. (no: 172)

Walaubagaimanapun, jika tuan berasa was-was, eloklah disamak.
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Post time 20-12-2009 12:07 AM | Show all posts
saye masuk umah yang dulunye diduduki oleh org jepun. saye tanye ustaz. ustaz kate x perlu le nak samak 1 rumah tu sebab kite x nampak secare zahir pun. memang x samak langsung. takde was2 sebab saye yakin. islam itu mudah.
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Post time 20-12-2009 12:52 AM | Show all posts
istillah tu tukar eh.. sertu bukan samak...
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Post time 20-12-2009 01:03 AM | Show all posts
samak lah seelok2nya.. yelah kita ni org islam... lgpun kita xtaw pemilikumah tu buat apa ngan umah tu n dapur tu...
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Post time 20-12-2009 08:48 AM | Show all posts
Salam semua

Saya bakal memasuki rumah yang baru dibeli dr pemilik sebelum ini yang berbangsa cina. Saya mencari panduan apakah penyelesaian terbaik bagi saya samada perlu samak atau tidak bahagian  ...
machaman77 Post at 19-12-2009 22:54


Perkataan yang tepat bukan samak tetapi sertu.  Kalau awak tanya sampai kiamat pun awak tetap akan dapat dua pendapat samada samak atau tidak samak.  Awak tetap akan keliru tentang pendapat mana yang tepat.  Kedua-dua jawapan adalah tepat dan selamat bergantung pada aliran.  Satu selamat dari kesucian dan satu selamat tentang mana sunnah atau tidak.  

sila rujuk ke thread berikut:
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthread.php?tid=231970
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Post time 20-12-2009 04:45 PM | Show all posts
Salam semua

Saya bakal memasuki rumah yang baru dibeli dr pemilik sebelum ini yang berbangsa cina. Saya mencari panduan apakah penyelesaian terbaik bagi saya samada perlu samak atau tidak bahagian  ...
machaman77 Post at 19-12-2009 06:54


kenapa lah kat sini kalau yang dimaksudkan ialah "bukan Islam", tapi yang disebut ialah bangsa orang tu. As if Islam is racist.
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Post time 20-12-2009 08:29 PM | Show all posts
kenapa lah kat sini kalau yang dimaksudkan ialah "bukan Islam", tapi yang disebut ialah bangsa orang tu. As if Islam is racist.
kucingblue Post at 20-12-2009 16:45

well depends jugak you know- the implication is important kot , the connotation tu,the meaning / implication kot, so that people faham laa yg penulsi nak bagi gambaran ok iam staying in this house and previosuly it siowned by so and so and this would also imply that ..... tu jer

you know the exact phrase is not even bukan Islam tau , tapi not yet Muslim, sebab bika kita kata kafir , bukan islam kita soleh olah jatuhkan hukum ....this is what Ustaz Hussein Yee said- where is he now yer?
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Post time 21-12-2009 10:24 AM | Show all posts
well depends jugak you know- the implication is important kot , theconnotation tu,the meaning / implication kot, so that people faham laayg penulsi nak bagi gambaran ok iam staying in this house andpreviosuly it siowned by so and so and this would also imply that .....tu jer


I'm sure people understand what this person was trying to say. But unfortunately it's just something that perpetuates the mentality that Melayu/Arab = Islam, and everybody else is not. It's probably not what we actually think, but subconsciously that how we end up making the association. It's divisive. And it's somewhat racist.

you know the exact phrase is not even bukan Islam tau , tapi not yetMuslim, sebab bika kita kata kafir , bukan islam kita soleh olahjatuhkan hukum ....this is what Ustaz Hussein Yee said- where is he nowyer?
mbhcsf Post at 20-12-2009 04:29


interesting. But if you're not that yet, you're not that. If you're not married yet, you're not married. If it's not cooked yet, it's not cooked. Of course that doesn't mean it will stay that way forever.

So I don't think it's wrong to call somebody a 'non-Muslim', as opposed to 'not-yet-Muslim'. Of course 'not-yet-Muslim' can be construed as welcoming. But it can be offensive too.

For instance, I'd be offended if some Christian call me a 'not-yet-Christian'. I'd prefer to be called 'non-Christian'. 'Not-yet-Christian' sound like they're pushing their religion on me. I don't like that. And I'm someone who believes that the way to attract somebody into your religion in not by offending them.
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 Author| Post time 21-12-2009 02:23 PM | Show all posts
Terima kasih di atas link yg diberikan. ia sgt membantu saya. saya mmg menjangkakan terdapat 2 pihak yang menyokong samada sertu atau tak perlu sertu. saya rasa saya dah tahu yg mana saya akan pilih.

saya tak bermaksud rasis bila menulis cina bukan non muslim. mmg owner asal cina. dan di malaysia, kebiasaannya cina itu non muslim dan mmg owner dulu rumah situ mmg non muslim. dan biasanya mmg cina ni makan babi dan kadangkala pelihara anjing. walaupun ada yg tak makan dan ada yg tak sua anjing. itu kebiasaannya.
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Post time 21-12-2009 02:39 PM | Show all posts
Terima kasih di atas link yg diberikan. ia sgt membantu saya. saya mmg menjangkakan terdapat 2 pihak yang menyokong samada sertu atau tak perlu sertu. saya rasa saya dah tahu yg mana saya akan pilih.
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machaman77 Post at 21-12-2009 14:23

oh you mean khinzir....i see...
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Post time 21-12-2009 02:40 PM | Show all posts
I'm sure people understand what this person was trying to say. But unfortunately it's just something that perpetuates the mentality that Melayu/Arab = Islam, and everybody else is not. It's probab ...
kucingblue Post at 21-12-2009 10:24

of course laa all of this will largely depend on the context - the pragmatics...
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Post time 21-12-2009 02:46 PM | Show all posts
saya tak bermaksud rasis bila menulis cina bukan non muslim. mmg ownerasal cina. dan di malaysia, kebiasaannya cina itu non muslim dan mmgowner dulu rumah situ mmg non muslim. dan biasanya mmg cina ni makanbabi dan kadangkala pelihara anjing. walaupun ada yg tak makan dan adayg tak sua anjing. itu kebiasaannya.
machaman77 Post at 20-12-2009 22:23


that's stereotyping.
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Post time 21-12-2009 03:48 PM | Show all posts
Kepada TT, terpulang... macam apa yang aku dah pos kat atas tu. Najis yang perlu kita samak kalo najis tu zahir. kalau kita x nampak, macamna nak samak. Kalau rumah tu kecik je senanglah. Kalau rumah yang besar, macamna nak samak keseluruhannya. Islam tu mudah, jangan kita susah2kan.

Macam kat sinki tu, wajarlah ko samak, sinki bukan besar sangat. Lagipun, kat situ ko cuci makanan, so, samaklah sinki tu, sebab Islam mementingan kesucian.

Kepada forumer lain, TT kat sini minta pendapat kita, so, bagilah pendapat terhadap isu yang dia bangkitkan. Janganlah nak timbulkan racist le, janganlah nak jadi Hero. Bila semua nak jadi Hero, masalah xan selesai...
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 Author| Post time 21-12-2009 11:30 PM | Show all posts
tq encik hadi.

well maybe i,m stereotype person but that is how human brain work  when making decision/ thinking . do you know that even our eye work on stereotype concept to serve well to us. stereotype based on previous experience, familiar thing. nothing wrong with that
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Post time 22-12-2009 09:02 AM | Show all posts
Kepada forumer lain, TT kat sini minta pendapat kita, so, bagilahpendapat terhadap isu yang dia bangkitkan. Janganlah nak timbulkanracist le, janganlah nak jadi Hero. Bila semua nak jadi Hero, masalahxan selesai...
hadi1978 Post at 20-12-2009 23:48


Let me give you an extreme hypothetical situation. Katakan la aku bukan thread and say:
"Ade jiran aku keling paria kafir haram jadah beri salam kat aku. Menurut Islam boleh ke aku jawab salam dia?"

There, the question would be boleh ke jawap salam orang bukan Islam. Should people ONLY answer that? Or should somebody ALSO point out that it's not ok to refer to Hindu Indian like that.

Of course in this case it's by no means that extreme. But my point we should not be expected to only limit our responses to the question.
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Post time 22-12-2009 09:11 AM | Show all posts
well maybe i,m stereotype person but that is how human brain work  whenmaking decision/ thinking .


It's probably true. I'm someone who's inclined to think that human beings are by nature irrational.

do you know that even our eye work onstereotype concept to serve well to us. stereotype based on previousexperience, familiar thing. nothing wrong with that
machaman77 Post at 21-12-2009 07:30


Well just because it's normal or common doesn't mean it's ok, doesn't mean we shouldn't use our ability of rational thinking.

It's a norm, I know. Ahli keluarga aku sendiri pon most likely would say the same thing. But I don't think it's ok.
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Post time 22-12-2009 12:50 PM | Show all posts
"Ade jiran aku keling paria kafir haram jadah beri salam kat aku. Menurut Islam boleh ke aku jawab salam dia?"
kucingblue Post at 22-12-2009 09:02


contoh yang diberi sangat berbeza dengan kata asal pembuka thread.  Pembuka thread hanya sebut 'berbangsa cina', dan pada aku tak jadi masaalah pun.  Contoh yang awak bagi adalah maki hamun.  Kecuali awak bagi contoh ni untuk dapat upperhand dalam argument, yang pada aku hanya dragging the debate for the sake of nak menonjolkan sesuatu (yang aku pun tak tahu apa).
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