saidina umar bakar orang.

abangbikerz

ade le aku bertelagah dgn satu mamat ni pasal kelakuan sultan negeri die yg suka pukul orang. sultan negeri mana korang semua pon tau le kat mana.

sampai satu point die pon bagi hujah utk menghalalkan tindakan org itu dengan mengatakan saidina umar sewaktu jadi khalifah pernah bakar org hidup2.

aku tak pernah dengar kes ni. ade sape2 pernah dengar???

KumbangPolkaDot

rajin pulak duk gaduh pasal sultan negeri masing2 :re:

tobby

ade le aku bertelagah dgn satu mamat ni pasal kelakuan sultan negeri die yg suka pukul orang. sultan ...
abangbikerz Post at 5-10-2010 12:46

negara ni sebenarnya tak ikut islam. mana boleh ketua agama buat perangai mcm tu.  klu ikut islam pemimpin jenis ni sepatutnya........... (sambung sendiri)

abangbikerz

negara ni sebenarnya tak ikut islam. mana boleh ketua agama buat perangai mcm tu.  klu ikut isla ...
tobby Post at 5-10-2010 16:10

    ko pernah dengar ke pasal saidina umar bakar orang waktu jadi khalifah.

bintang

Tak pernah dengar

Suruh kawan tu buktikan la, apa pulak main cakap jek..

abangbikerz

Reply 5# bintang


    tu la pasal aku pon tak pernah dengar, die nak menang berhujah agaknya.

tobby

ko pernah dengar ke pasal saidina umar bakar orang waktu jadi khalifah.
abangbikerz Post at 5-10-2010 16:23

http://www.alterheros.com/english/dossier/Articles.cfm?InfoID=76

bintang

Reply  bintang


    tu la pasal aku pon tak pernah dengar, die nak menang berhujah agaknya.
abangbikerz Post at 5-10-2010 16:34

    Dia kalah sebab hujah dia tade fakta.... kalo masuk debate sah kena masuk bakul sampah awal-awal lagik

winamp05

macam tau je kat mana punya thread..... thehehehe........

Nocturna

takde sape yg bole jawap lagi ke yg TT tanye ni??

haku pon nak tau gak..

assafdiyah

orang macam tu ingat sultan lebih hebat ke dari nabi dan sahabat ? setahu saya sifat buruk saidina umar hanya ada SEBELUM dia memeluk Islam. bahaya mulut orang Islam ni boleh membawa bala kepada kita semua.

Naru

Bahaya mempercayai sesuatu tanpa bukti...

p.s:  Saya tak cakap TT percaya, jangan salah faham ekkk

ussopp

Reply 1# abangbikerz


pening gak ek jumper org berhujah dgn kekasaran umar utk menghalalkan sikap gedebe.


saidina umar awalnya ganaz, tetapi bukankah semasa menjadi khalifah, dia benar2 tawadduk .

kan lim guang eng ada tertarik dgn pemerintahan umar...

jadi org ISlam sepatutnya lebih arif, Umar RA bukan kekal kasar jahiliyah seumur hidupnya.

kalau lim guang eng sudi ambil contoh baik dari umar, kenapa kita nak ambil contoh kasar dari umar?

kalau keliru , senang jer, tengok apa akhlak nabi dan pesanan nabi.

ikut yg tue. kenapa nak letakkan diri di lembah kekeliruan.?

Nocturna

Yep btol..

setahu aku, saidina umar r.a hanya bersifat zalim seperti mana kaum quraisy yg lain ketika  itu sblom saidina umar r.a memeluk islam..

aku mmg paling kagum sekali dengan saidina umar r.a antara para sahabat Rasullullah yang lain..

unekspekted_III

ade..

dalam kisah At Tabari = sejarah umat Islam written in 800's.. dalam kisah Al Walid mase perang murtad

unekspekted_III

haiyyah.. bukan Umar laa..

TAPI KHALIFAH ABU BAKAR!!!!

so TT.. sile tukar tajuk yee..

unekspekted_III

Dia kalah sebab hujah dia tade fakta.... kalo masuk debate sah kena masuk bakul sampah awa ...
bintang Post at 5-10-2010 16:42

klu ade.. sape yang malu nanti?? heheheheee

unekspekted_III

oklaa.. tanpe membuang mase lagi.. the unekspekted presentttttt :

But one man remained, more of a bandit leader than a tribal chief, who was still causing anxiety to the Muslims. This man's name was Ayas bin Abd Yalil, but he was more commonly known as Al Faja'a. He was an adventurer.

At about the time when Khalid was consolidating his gains at Buzakha, Al Faja'a came to Abu Bakr. "I am a Muslim." he said. "Equip me with weapons and I shall fight the infidels." 1
Abu Bakr was only too glad to hear the offer and equipped him with weapons. The man rode away from Madinah, formed a gang of bandits and began to waylay unwary travellers, many of whom were killed. The gangsters operated in the region lying to the east of Makkah and Madinah, and Muslim and infidel alike suffered at the hands of Al Faja'a.

When Abu Bakr heard of the depredations of Al Faja'a, he decided to make an example of him for the deceit he had practised on the Caliph. He sent a column to get the man alive, and a few days later the brigand was brought to Madinah in irons.

Abu Bakr ordered a large pile of faggots arranged in front of the mosque. When ready, the pile was set on fire. As the wood crackled and the flames rose skywards, Al Faja'a, still in irons, was thrown into the fire!

When Abu Bakr was dying, two years later, he expressed certain regrets. There were, he said, three things that he had done and wished he had not done, and three things that he had not done and wished he had. One of these related to Al Faja'a "I wish", said Abu Bakr, "I had had Al Faja'a killed outright and not burnt alive." 2

1. Tabari: Vol. 2, p. 492
2. Ibid: Vol. 2, p. 619; Balazuri: p. 112; Masudi: Muruj, Vol. 2, p. 308.

Yess.. Al Faja'a was thrown into fire alive.. by Caliph Abu Bakar.. = seperti yang dicatat oleh Muhammad Ibn Jarir At-Tabari.. Volume 2, Page 492

Bukunye bertajuk : Tarikh al-Rusul wa al-Muluk ataupun Tarikh al-Tabari
ditulis pada 915 Masehi

DAN JUGA,... Perintah Khalifah Abu Bakr semasa Perang Apostasy:

Before the various corps left Zhu Qissa, however, envoys were sent by Abu Bakr to all apostate tribes in a final attempt to induce them to see reason. These envoys were given identical instructions: they were to call upon the tribes to return to Islam and render full submission, for those tribes which submitted there would be forgiveness and peace, those tribes that resisted would be fought until no opposition remained and their women and children would be enslaved: before the attack, against any tribe, the Muslim forces would call the Adhan (the Muslim call to prayer), and if the tribe responded with the Adhan it would be assumed that it had submitted.

To the corps commanders, too, the Caliph gave identical general instructions, apart from their specific objectives. These instructions were as follows:

a. Seek the tribes which are your objectives
b. Call the Adhan.
c. If the tribe answers with the Adhan, do not attack. After the Adhan, ask the tribe to confirm its submission, including the payment of taxes. If confirmed, do not attack.
d. Those who submit will not be molested.
e. Those who do not answer with the Adhan, or after the Adhan do not confirm full submission, will be dealt with by fire and sword.
f. All apostates who have killed Muslims will be killed, those who have burnt Muslims alive will be burnt alive. 2
With these instructions Abu Bakr, no longer the meek, submissive Companion, launched the forces of Islam against the apostates.

1. The word 'corps' has been used in a loose sense to indicate an independent tactical command. These corps had no organisational resemblance with the modem army corps of about three divisions.

2. Tabari: Vol. 2, p. 482.

ataupun... kalau korang takde access cite tu mcm aku.. hehehehe.. korang boleh refer kat sini jeeee :

http://www.grandestrategy.com/20 ... -bin-al-waleed.html

dalam tu ade cite... rajin2 laa membace seperti diperintahkan oleh Al Quran.. bukan blagak mcm pandai jee.. tapi bodo.. hahahahahaa

norzyy

alamak...kes gaduh dlm thread tu dah masuk bod ni plak....

udah2 le tu....

unekspekted_III

alamak...kes gaduh dlm thread tu dah masuk bod ni plak....

udah2 le tu....
norzyy Post at 2-12-2010 11:41

saje nak membuktikan sape bodo sape pandai.. sape yg bawak fitnah sape yang dipihak yang benar.. bukan ke itu di tuntut Islam???