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Untold History : "Mat Salleh" Yang Pertama dipanggil Mat Salleh

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Post time 15-7-2011 02:57 PM | Show all posts |Read mode
This is one interesting topic, the origin of laymen term of "mat Salleh".

Ade pernah cite dulu.. but, generally a hearsay or... cerita mulut ke mulut... until recently.. aku jumpe document lame yg menyatakan name "mat Salleh" ni secara specific...

Basically... terdapat 2 cerita.. same, but, orang dan pembawaannya berlainan = kedua2 "mat SAlleh" ni adalah orang melayu.. yg comfortably mingle with European society.  They earned their place there..

1.  MOHAMAD SALLEH PERANG

Collected dari cerita lisan.  Terjadik sometimes 1860'an.

Dato' Mohamad Salleh Perang.. Dato' Bentara Luar (Menteri Luar) the only Malay yang mase tu boleh berkomunikasi dengan baik dengan British.. dan berpakaian mcm orang British jugak.

Ceritanya term 'mat salleh' ni terjadik bile :

Si Mat Salleh ni, berbual dalam bahase Inggeris dgn orang2 British.. whilst the other Malay officer.. tercengang2 dengar.

So.. back in town.. orang ramai mule refer = sesiape bleh cakap English.. = Dia cakap mcm "Mat Salleh" laa... or.. dia pakai macam "Mat Salleh" laa..

that how the story goes.


2. KAPTEN MOHAMAD SALLEH (SALLY) - Penang

this is the document yg aku refer... dated back to 1803....



Mohamad Salleh yang ni dilantik menjadi Kapitan (captain) oleh British... dan menjadi ketua dan puak melayu dan malbari Penang zaman tu.


And.. dia sorang jugak yg pembawaannye, pakaiannye, dan percakapannye same dengan British.

Then.. same story apply mcm kes Mohamad Salleh Perang

If you refer to traceable history.. terlalu banyak orang Melayu yang bername "Mohamad Salleh" yg reti speaking mat salleh.  So.. "mat Salleh" asal.. bukan orang British.. tapi orang Melayu yg disangka mcm British.


and... This 2 Mohamad Salleh..... marked the turning point of laymen term to British nationals as "Mat Salleh"


except... Salleh Yaakob...

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Post time 15-7-2011 03:06 PM | Show all posts
Reply 1# unekspekted_XII

wah.
menarik!

tp,
memang zaman dulu, org melayu mmg dah berkhidmat dgn british.

kan?
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 Author| Post time 15-7-2011 03:10 PM | Show all posts
Reply  unekspekted_XII

wah.
menarik!

tp,
memang zaman dulu, org melayu mmg dah berkhidmat d ...
manuskrip_lama Post at 15-7-2011 15:06


no.

takde org melayu yg pegang office mase FMS British.  


captain.. - british... askar2 yg kene tembak dulu - melayu

but, not in this case
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Post time 15-7-2011 04:04 PM | Show all posts
jadi 2 org "mat saleh" tu bukan officer ker????
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Post time 15-7-2011 06:21 PM | Show all posts
Mohamet Sally..... ???
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Post time 15-7-2011 07:28 PM | Show all posts
ikut slang omputih kot
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Post time 15-7-2011 08:48 PM | Show all posts
ingatkan SY
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Post time 15-7-2011 09:30 PM | Show all posts
Reply 1# unekspekted_XII


    ada satu lagi versi yg pernah didengar.alkisah pada zaman dulu di negeri negeri selat ramai kelasi kelasi orang putih yg mabuk serta berperangai gila gila...mereka dipanggil Mad Sailor oleh org putih lain... Lama kelamaan org tempatan menyenangkan sebutannya sebagai Mat Salleh... betul atau tidak Allahwa'alam!
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Post time 16-7-2011 02:25 PM | Show all posts
jadi sekarang dah beberapa versi ? .....  tapi satu jer.. yang sama kejadian berlaku pada abad ke 19....
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Post time 18-7-2011 12:02 AM | Show all posts
Reply 3# unekspekted_XII


owh.
mcm tu.

hebat la anda ni uneks.
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Post time 18-7-2011 11:44 AM | Show all posts
versi aku...mat saleh..not mat salleh...
saleh ni nama sejenis kulit kayu pokok yg kalernya putih kemerah2an...

bukti takder....aku imaginasi jer...hahahha
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Post time 18-7-2011 06:38 PM | Show all posts
boleh diterima akal
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Post time 19-7-2011 02:41 PM | Show all posts
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Post time 26-7-2011 03:38 PM | Show all posts
menarik info TT...
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 Author| Post time 22-8-2011 03:09 PM | Show all posts
dan.. versi ke 3  pulak... "Mat SAlleh" ni.. sangat terkenal nameny di Eropah satu mase dulu..

dia amat terkenal dikalangan bangsawan dan royalty British dan France... amat dihormati sebagai pelukis zaman tu.



name asalnye ialah "Raden Salleh" = menjadikan.. name mereka2 bertiga"Salleh" tu satu name yg synonym dikaitkan dengan barat..walaupun mereka orangnya asal Melayu
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Post time 25-10-2011 12:13 PM | Show all posts
Habis tu, kita kena panggil orang Eropah 'omputeh' jela eh? Sebab Mat Salleh untuk 'ommelayu' yang pandai cakap Ingrish.
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Post time 25-10-2011 02:59 PM | Show all posts
menarik..good
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Post time 29-10-2011 11:24 PM | Show all posts
kalo orang dolu2 yang suka cakap omputes tu nama Mat Sabu, tentu sapa kita akan refer  'mat-mat salleh' tu Mat Sabu..thithithi
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Post time 30-10-2011 07:49 PM | Show all posts
Andaian.. Bukan fakta
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