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so, brother wkk5159 is starting to discuss about jizya? Kindly start a new thread.
I do remember discussing about your 'terrorist verses in the Quran', wkk5159. but up until today, I have not received any replies from you, neither do I receive an apology coz the last time I checked, you have misquoted the Quran and added the word 'terror' in it. I'm sure you're Christian enough to remember our discussion. Did I missed your reply's notification, or are you bailing out from the discussion?
edited : here's the thread, @wkk5159 - http://mforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=721595&extra=page%3D1&page=4
You have thrown a strong allegations unto the Quran in that thread. Would you be kind enough to return to that thread and continue the discussion? Don't jump around, throwing allegations on the Quran and bail out, bro. Not very Christian if you ask me.  Last edited by gunblade712 on 10-5-2013 12:45 PM
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Truth.8 posted on 10-5-2013 10:12 AM 
tootless plus blind ustaz cannot even understand the above verses and telling me nothing to do this topic...of course lah .....u paste pope kissing the koran.....so i told you idol worshpper kissing a koran,,,,,,,so what differences it makes??
There is something wrong with you. No head nor tail argument.
sorry i am human not animal ...only animal got tail...thanks for showing us your stupidlity...
Ha ha , the one who is blind and ignorant is you and only you. You argued in your post #51 (bitpart)
pope the vatican idols worshipppers.....so?
an idols worshipper and another who circle an object and touching and even swearing infornt of it....it doesn't make any different.
You claimed that Catholics are pagans. To support your claim you quoted acts17:29 , your post#58
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
And claim that by kissing the Quran , Pope John Paul II became an idol worshipper. Can you now explain just what is the relation between acts17:29 and kissing the Quran make someone an idol worshipper? You are one screwed up person.
Err tambi , I stated :
No head nor tail argument
I did not state that you are an animal. I stated 'argument' not 'animal'. Do you understand english? Ha ha , most of your argument stems from your inability to comprehend simple english. Apa daaa ..... malulah .... ini org panggil bodoh sombong. Ha ha
Last edited by sam1528 on 10-5-2013 02:24 PM
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sam1528 posted on 10-5-2013 02:21 PM
Ha ha , the one who is blind and ignorant is you and only you. You argued in your post #51 (bitpar ... And claim that by kissing the Quran , Pope John Paul II became an idol worshipper. Can you now explain just what is the relation between acts17:29 and kissing the Quran make someone an idol worshipper? You are one screwed up person.
poor you...cannot even understand my writings....
i guess getting too old and low testosterone...brain getting too low....
no problem ...get this:
btw, RC do not take seriously on clean and unclean food as per Bible sayings because they claimed Jesus already paid penatly via cross....
so, they eat pork and etc because nothing wrong for them....
holding the koran and kissing it...hmmmm
Last edited by Truth.8 on 10-5-2013 05:25 PM
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gunblade712 posted on 10-5-2013 12:40 PM
not wrong for you to say that. It's the truth.
but while saying that, you've declared the P ...
why me and protestant and few others move away from catholic???
thats explained...
no futher e xplanantion needed
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Truth.8 posted on 10-5-2013 05:13 PM
poor you...cannot even understand my writings....
i guess getting too old and low testosterone. ...brain getting too low....
no problem ...get this:
btw, RC do not take seriously on clean and unclean food as per Bible sayings because they claimed Jesus already paid penatly via cross....
so, they eat pork and etc because nothing wrong for them....
holding the koran and kissing it...hmmmm
Ha ha , nobody can understand your writing as you write gibberish. Imagine a nearly 50 yrs old person in you but have very poor command of english. However you are too thick skinned to admit that you have comprehension problems. I state of 'argument' , why you talk about animal?
I really pity you. You keep on saying that the Pope kissed the Quran means he was worshiping it. However until now you cannot explain why kissing means worship. I guess you don't even know what worship means. Poor you Ha ha ..... BTW do you need me to simplify my english for you?
Now you cannot even explain what acts17:29 mean. Do you want me to teach you? Ha ha .... I should start charging you for teaching you your own bible. Ha ha
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sam1528 posted on 10-5-2013 09:03 PM
Ha ha , nobody can understand your writing as you write gibberish. Imagine a nearly 50 yrs old per ... Ha ha , nobody can understand your writing as you write gibberish. Imagine a nearly 50 yrs old person in you but have very poor command of english. However you are too thick skinned to admit that you have comprehension problems. I state of 'argument' , why you talk about animal?
I really pity you. You keep on saying that the Pope kissed the Quran means he was worshiping it. However until now you cannot explain why kissing means worship. I guess you don't even know what worship means. Poor you Ha ha ..... BTW do you need me to simplify my english for you?
Now you cannot even explain what acts17:29 mean. Do you want me to teach you? Ha ha .... I should start charging you for teaching you your own bible. Ha ha
simple english you cannot understand is it???
when i wrote idols worshipper kissing the koran ....and the readers of koran which muslims...who says believed in one god but indirectly bow to an object and touching or kissing the black stone.....what does it mean??
if this simple things you cannot understand....u already half past six or nyanyok ... get nebido....to boost up ur memory....
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Truth.8 posted on 10-5-2013 10:24 PM
dont hahahah ...hahaha yourself....
simple english you cannot understand is it???
when i wrote idols worshipper kissing the koran ....and the readers of koran which muslims...who says believed in one god but indirectly bow to an object and touching or kissing the black stone.....what does it mean??
if this simple things you cannot understand....u already half past six or nyanyok ... get nebido....to boost up ur memory....
Of course I am 'ha ha ing' you. You don't write english but gibberish. Can you explain just how did you understand 'argument' to be an animal just because the word 'tail' been mentioned? Your comprehension is worse than a primary 5 kid.
Since when did touching and kissing the 'black stone' means worship. You have been asked this question for years but always aviod answering it. This shows that you are just making an empty claim. Ha ha , as empty as what is supposedly to be in between your ears.
You still have not answered. What has acts17:29 got to do with the Pope kissing the bible? You claim that according to the biblical verse , it means the Pope was a pagan.
The way you are going , we can safely call you 'lie.8' not 'truth.8'. Ooops ... how can I forget .... romans3:7 again :
Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?”
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sam1528 posted on 11-5-2013 11:01 AM
Of course I am 'ha ha ing' you. You don't write english but gibberish. Can you explain just how di ... Of course I am 'ha ha ing' you. You don't write english but gibberish. Can you explain just how did you understand 'argument' to be an animal just because the word 'tail' been mentioned? Your comprehension is worse than a primary 5 kid.
if i wrote gibberish or whatever you call it....it puzzle me.....because u can still can read and reply my thread...
Since when did touching and kissing the 'black stone' means worship. You have been asked this question for years but always aviod answering it. This shows that you are just making an empty claim. Ha ha , as empty as what is supposedly to be in between your ears.
touching the object and stone ....what is relevant to it???if u think allah is great ....than u keep that object for direction of prayer but u muslims will t ouched and kiss it....again u muslims always in denial ....
You still have not answered. What has acts17:29 got to do with the Pope kissing the bible? You claim that according to the biblical verse , it means the Pope was a pagan.
if understood the meaning i wrote....than u would know...but than u so old like half past six ...u know nothing
The way you are going , we can safely call you 'lie.8' not 'truth.8'. Ooops ... how can I forget .... romans3:7 again :
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Truth.8 posted on 11-5-2013 02:30 PM
if i wrote gibberish or whatever you call it....it puzzle me.....because u can still can read and reply my thread...
Ha ha , is because I am lowering myself to your level in order to communicate with you. The funny part is how in the world you understood an 'argument' to be an 'animal' just because the word 'tail' has been mentioned? You too embarrassed to respond or what?
touching the object and stone ....what is relevant to it???if u think allah is great ....than u keep that object for direction of prayer but u muslims will t ouched and kiss it....again u muslims always in denial ....
The issue here is that how in the world you equate kissing / touching to be worship? This has been asked of you for many years yet you run from explaining your claim. If you cannot explain , that means your claim is an empty one. Directional prayers is mentioned in the bible. dan6:10
Now when Daniel learned that the decree had been published, he went home to his upstairs room where the windows opened toward Jerusalem. Three times a day he got down on his knees and prayed, giving thanks to his God, just as he had done before
2chro6:21
Hear the supplications of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place; and when you hear, forgive.
You don't even know that in your own bible states of directional worship. Ha ha , this is embarrassing for you.
if understood the meaning i wrote....than u would know...but than u so old like half past six ...u know nothing
Ha ha , there you go again , running away from the issue you claim. Can you explain just what is the connection between acts17:29 and the pope kissing the Quran which you claim that the pope was a pagan. You often make empty claim and when asked to explain .... you run away. You are a coward.
oopss .....u call whatever u want ...i m not bothered
Liar liar .... pants on fire. Ha ha ....
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sam1528 posted on 12-5-2013 12:51 AM
Ha ha , is because I am lowering myself to your level in order to communicate with you. The funny ... The issue here is that how in the world you equate kissing / touching to be worship? This has been asked of you for many years yet you run from explaining your claim. If you cannot explain , that means your claim is an empty one. Directional prayers is mentioned in the bible. dan6:10
let me ask you one simple question:
1.Why Pope kiss the quran?
a. Respect
b. believed it word of god
c. faith in quran
d.trust and faith in quran
e. just to impressed the world that vatican are peace loving peoples
f. just to tell the world that rc respect quran because is islam
2, Why muslims touched or kiss the black stone:
a. respect
b. belived it is god work
d. faith in the object
e. nothing but i just touched it
d. just feel to touched because everybody touched so i think it got some kind of miracle
e. ancient paga does it so i also touched
f. nothing
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Truth.8 posted on 12-5-2013 12:26 PM
let me ask you one simple question:
1.Why Pope kiss the quran?
a. Respect
b. believed it word of god
c. faith in quran
d.trust and faith in quran
e. just to impressed the world that vatican are peace loving peoples
f. just to tell the world that rc respect quran because is islam
2, Why muslims touched or kiss the black stone:
a. respect
b. belived it is god work
d. faith in the object
e. nothing but i just touched it
d. just feel to touched because everybody touched so i think it got some kind of miracle
e. ancient paga does it so i also touched
f. nothing
Simple answers to your simple questions :
(1) Why did the Pope kissed the Quran?
answer : (a) respect
(2) Why do muslims touch or kiss the black stone
answer : none of the above - it follow tradition that Prophet Muhammad(saw) kissed Hajr Aswad
My turn to ask
(1) Why did you come to the understanding that 'argument' means 'animal' when I mentioned 'tail'
(a) don't know / understand
(b) try to change topic
(2) what has acts17:29 got to do with the Pope kissing the Quran thus you claiming that he was a pagan
(a) I am slandering the Pope and muslims
(b) I don't understand acts17:29
(c) I equate kissing = worship
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sam1528 posted on 12-5-2013 04:36 PM
Simple answers to your simple questions :
(1) Why did the Pope kissed the Quran?
Respect?? why he need to give respect to quran when he had Bible???
do you respect by kissing the Bible???
(2) Why do muslims touch or kiss the black stone
answer : none of the above - it follow tradition that Prophet Muhammad(saw) kissed Hajr Aswad
tradition comes from muhammad? where does ur muhammad copied this tradition?????
me waiting
Last edited by Truth.8 on 12-5-2013 10:30 PM
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Truth.8 posted on 12-5-2013 10:28 PM
Respect?? why he need to give respect to quran when he had Bible???
do you respect by kissing the Bible???
Ha ha , why can't the said Pope respect another religion's scripture by kissing it even though he follows the bible? You are another intolerant religious bigot. In the end you are just a religious bigot. These kind of people are the ones who doesn't know their own religious scripture , the bible in your case.
Respect can be shown in many forms. The said Pope did it by kissing the Quran. What is exactly your problem?
tradition comes from muhammad? where does ur muhammad copied this tradition?????
me waiting
Why can't Prophet Muhammad(saw) start such a tradition from scratch? Why need to copy from anywhere else?
You again show your weakness of being so scared to answer my questions. Why are you so scared to answer my questions. Ha ha , I can easily answer your questions and now you appear like a fool. My questions for the 2nd time :
(1) Why did you come to the understanding that 'argument' means 'animal' when I mentioned 'tail'
(a) don't know / understand
(b) try to change topic
(2) what has acts17:29 got to do with the Pope kissing the Quran thus you claiming that he was a pagan
(a) I am slandering the Pope and muslims
(b) I don't understand acts17:29
(c) I equate kissing = worship
Let see if you are man enough to answer. Else you are just a coward. Oops .... it has already been proven , you are a coward .... ha ha
Last edited by sam1528 on 13-5-2013 12:21 AM
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(Dan janganlah kamu jadikan nama) Allah dalam sumpah kamu sebagai benteng yang menghalangi kamu daripada berbuat baik dan bertaqwa, serta mendamaikan perbalahan antara sesama manusia. Dan (ingatlah), Allah sentiasa mendengar, lagi sentiasa mengetahui. QS2:224
Dan janganlah kamu jadikan sumpah kamu sebagai tipu daya sesama kamu, kerana dengan yang demikian itu akan menyebabkan tergelincir kaki kamu sesudah ia tetap teguh (di atas jalan yang benar); dan kamu pula akan merasai balasan buruk (di dunia) dengan sebab kamu menghalangi manusia dari jalan Allah; dan bagi kamu juga disediakan azab yang besar (di akhirat kelak).
QS16:94
Dan janganlah kamu jadikan pesanan-pesanan dan perintah Allah sebagai modal untuk mendapat keuntungan dunia yang sedikit; sesugguhnya apa yang ada di sisi Allah (dari balasan yang baik), itulah sahaja yang lebih baik bagi kamu, kalaulah kamu mengetahui.
QS16:95
Dan mereka (yang munafik) bersumpah dengan nama Allah, dengan sebebar-benar sumpahnya: bahawa jika engkau (wahai Muhammad) perintahkan mereka (keluar berjihad), tentulah mereka akan keluar. Katakanlah: " Janganlah kamu bersumpah, (taat kamu itu) taat yang terkenal (dustanya). Sesungguhnya Allah Amat Mendalam pengetahuanNya tentang apa yang kamu lakukan".
QS24:53
Mereka menjadikan sumpahnya sebagai perisai (untuk menyelamatkan diri dan harta bendanya daripada dirampas atau dibunuh), maka dengan yang demikian dapatlah mereka menghalang (dirinya dan orang lain) dari jalan Allah; oleh itu mereka beroleh azab seksa yang menghina. QS58:16
(Setelah nyata kepada orang-orang munafik itu bahawa harta benda dan anak pinaknya tidak dapat memberikan pertolongan), ketika mereka semuanya dibangkitkan oleh Allah (pada hari kiamat), maka mereka bersumpah kepadaNya (bahawa mereka adalah orang-orang mukmin) sebagaimana biasanya mereka bersumpah kepada kamu; dan mereka menyangka bahawa (dengan berbuat demikian) mereka akan mendapat sesuatu (yang berfaedah kepada mereka). Ketahuilah! Bahawa sesungguhnya merekalah golongan pendusta. QS58:18
Dan janganlah engkau (berkisar dari pendirianmu yang benar, dan jangan) menurut kemahuan orang yang selalu bersumpah, lagi yang hina (pendapatnya dan amalannya), QS68:10
Yang suka mencaci, lagi yang suka menyebarkan fitnah hasutan (untuk memecah belahkan orang ramai)QS68:11
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gunblade712 posted on 10-5-2013 12:42 PM
so, brother wkk5159 is starting to discuss about jizya? Kindly start a new thread.
I do remember ...
Nobody is evading from answering you. Wake up from your slumber, true God doesn't need wordy assurance from anyone especially those who reject His deity. I have answered all of your queries except those twisted imbecilic facts which i have mentioned zillion times before that i will simply give it a pass whenever i encounter one, just like what your delusional brethrens sam1526 is hallucinating then and now.
By the way, as a professional, my time is way too precious to be wasted on unproductive silly debates.
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wkk5159 posted on 14-5-2013 11:16 AM
Nobody is evading from answering you. Wake up from your slumber, true God doesn't need wordy assurance from anyone especially those who reject His deity. I have answered all of your queries except those twisted imbecilic facts which i have mentioned zillion times before that i will simply give it a pass whenever i encounter one, just like what your delusional brethrens sam1526 is hallucinating then and now.
By the way, as a professional, my time is way too precious to be wasted on unproductive silly debates.
Translation : I , 'wkk5159' have no facts in my argument but just appeal to emotion besides trying to insult others. I somehow think such is the best substitute for my lack of facts.
Ha ha ...
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Truth8 & CO, kalau nak attact ker debunk ker the truth pasal agama Islam, jgn bercontoh pada perbuatan penganutnya. Tak semua penganut mana2 agama tahu & faham SOP agama mereka. Adakah agamawan yg meliwat atau seks bebas, tanda agama anutannya tak betul? |
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Bersumpah dgn objek? Kalau nak tau Truth8, ada pelbagai gaya orang islam bersumpah. Ada yg sentuh lelangit then point to sky, even, guna crossfinger & touchwood lagi. Bersin yg cakap: 'excuse me' pun ada. Do u think, Islam ajar semua tu? |
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Post time 10-5-2013 12:40 PM
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