Hang Li Po , Hang Tuah did not exist

ariapersanta

PETALING JAYA: According to history, Chinese Princess Hang Li Po was the fifth wife of Malaccan Sultan Mansur Shah who reigned from 1456-1477.

During this period, there was also the legend of the Sultan’s five famous warriors, Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekir and Hang Lekiu. It is a tale of friendship and loyalty, which every Malaysian had heard.

However, renowned historian Prof Khoo Kay Kim told radio station BFM this morning that Hang Li Po and the five warriors never existed.

Speaking to FMT later, he explained: “The Chinese Ming dynasty of the 16th century does not have records on them. These are very well preserved records.”

The KDU college chancellor also said he had read the writings of two Western historians and another prominent historian Wang Gung Wu on the Ming records which did not mention the characters either.

“History must be based on empirical records. Historians must only accept written records,” he said, adding that empirical records available here were at best “skanky”.

“There is no evidence in the Malaysian records,” he said. “These are stories. Early Malaysian history is based on stories.”

“We have had many stories. Only recently historians have taken the trouble to research the early Malaysian history period. A lot of stories accepted in the past cannot be proven,” he added.

Khoo also told FMT that there are rumours that the Malacca kingdom was founded in 1292 even though there were records to prove that it was formed in the 15th century.

He added that the government had instructed the syllabus committee to go through the school history syllabus to rectify the errors.

The syllabus, said Khoo, would be introduced in the year 2014.

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/2012/01/16/hang-li-po-hang-tuah-did-not-exist/

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assalamualaikum

BotakChinPeng

Kenapa cina tak nak ngaku Hang Li Po wujud & dihantar ke melaka bersama ratusan wanita cina lain untuk dijadikan gundik kepada melayu ?

Malu ke ? Macam tak biasa pulak

BotakChinPeng

Reply 1# ariapersanta

I can understand this denial syndrom. Its kinda humiliating to admit the existence of Hang Li Po who came to malacca together with hundreds of other high born chinese women to provide plesure for malaccan malay men.

But don't worry. You chinese will get used to this brutal fact.

zaharul_asriq94

Reply 3# BotakChinPeng

nice one

system_failure

'Hang' = salah satu nama gelaran yg byk digunakan melaka..
ade byk lagi gelaran yg dah tak dipakai, Orang Kaya, Memanda,


aku berpendapat Hang adelah gelaran pangkat yg boleh diturun temurunkan..
sebab tu wujud Hang Nadim..
ianya dah 'pupus' mungkin sebab pemakainya adalah utk golongan warrior sahaje..

so,
Laksamana Dato' Hang Tuah = nama sebenar cuma Tuah
Bendahara Tun Mutahir = nama sebenar cuma Mutahir
Permaisuri Hang Li Po = nama sebenar cuma Li Po



bukti kewujudan Hang Nadim ade tersurat dlm sejarah barat..
so,
tak boleh la nak menidakkan kewujudan 'Hang' sebagai mitos semata2..


bukti kewujudan Laksamana Cheng Ho juga sgt jelas dan tak boleh dipertikai..


so,
seorg Laksamana dari kerajaan besar timur membawa fake princess to be presented to Sultan Melaka??
Melaka sengaja mengada2kan cerita kononnya menjalin hubungan politik dan perkahwinan with china??

tuanmashi

cerita yang tidak dapat disahihkan kebenarannya
nak terpaksala cipta mesin masa kembali ke masa lepas tgk betul2 wujud tak dorang ni

ariapersanta

Reply 6# tuanmashi


   btul tu...

ariapersanta

kalo x da dalam rekod maharaja ming maksudnya confim tak wujud ?...

kurtzuandy

Hang Tuah simbol kekuatan melayu,dengan padam kewujudan dia dorg ni boleh lemahkan melayu. sebab tu la penah ade cerita hang tuah lima bersaudara tu cina, tapi bila xdapat nak cina kan dorg nak hapuskan terus kisah Hang Tuah bersaudara dari sejarah

fariepari

kalau dh c**a tu, c**a la jugak
tak habis2 nk menidakkan jugak kewujudan hang tuah 5 bersaudara tu kenapa?
dari aku sekolah menengah lagi citer pasal ni dah ada

azredclaw66

Pernah terbaca bahawa terdapat dokumen lama yg tersimpan di arkib pulau Ryukyu Jepun membuktikan kewujudan Hang Tuah, seorang Laksamana yang menyelamatkan kapal dagang Jepun daripada serangan lanun Selat Melaka.

bluezink

share info:
HAN TOWA
(Han Towa ialah sebutan orang Jepun bagi Hang Tuah)

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Yustan

Hang Tuah simbol kekuatan melayu,dengan padam kewujudan dia dorg ni boleh lemahkan melayu. sebab tu  ...
kurtzuandy Post at 18-1-2012 08:30

    betui.....betui tu.......ni ada sesuatu yg tak kene......

prof. khoo kay kim tu kata cerita hang tuah takde dlm rekod dinasti ming.....apa kene mengena sampai ke situ pulak..........kalo takde dlm rekod dinasti ming tak semestinye hang tuah tak wujud sbb hang tuah bukan hero diorang, tp hero melayu......tak tekejut pun kalo indon atau siam pun claim hang tuah tak wujud sbb hang tuah bukan dr diorang.......habis rekod bertulis yg dipanggil 'hikayat hang tuah' tu amende......ok, hikayat tu mgkn exaggerate gila2 gak, tp itu gak bukti yg karekter hang berlima tu wujud.........kalo hikayat tu rekaan, fuhhhh, aku mmg tabik kt org yg tulis hikayat tu......kreatif gile beb..........

sama gak la cerita pasal troy dlm illiad tu.......org kata mitos la....rekaan la......sape nk caye karya poet buta.......tp, tup2 troy btol2 wujud........

p/s: ingat lagi citer hang tuah gi china n mengadap maharaja china???pastu guna trick kangkung utk tgk muka maharaja china???pastu citer maharaja china sakit sbb hina sultan melaka???citer pasal china hantar jarum kt melaka n melaka lak hantar beras utk tgk rakyat sape lg ramai???ada kemungkinan citer2 ni mmg rekaan ATAU dipadam dr rekod agar china tak aib.......maklumlah.......sejarah yg direkod diorang cuma menyebelahi diorang je......

Yustan

tak pun nama hang tuah dlm rekod china dh lain........hang thoo wahh

leesearle2004

laksamana zheng ho meninggal dunia pada tahun 1433, so tak mungkin menghantar "puteri hang li po" ke melaka pada zaman pemerintahan sultan mansur shah ( 1459–1477)

pada zaman pemerintahan sultan mansur shah ( 1459–1477), maharaja ming yongle ( 1402 to 1424) dah lama mangkat.

Menurut Sejarah Melayu, karya Tun Seri Lanang daripada abad ke-17, apabila Sultan Mansur Shah hendak menjalin hubungan diplomatik dengan China, baginda menghantar Tun Perpatih Putih sebagai utusannya, dengan sepucuk surat untuk Maharaja Yongle. Tun Perpatih berjaya menarik hati Maharaja China dengan kemasyhuran dan ketersergaman Kesultanan Melaka sehingga Maharaja tersebut menghadiahi puterinya, Hang Li Po, untuk dijadikan isteri Sultan.
http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hang_Li_Po

Ministry of Rites or Lǐ Bù
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Rites

or may be ada misinterpret, rombangan yang datang dari ming bukan rombongan puteri dan dayang, tapi rombongan pegawai Ministry of Rites or Lǐ Bù ming atas urusan diplomatik.

Yustan

laksamana zheng ho meninggal dunia pada tahun 1433, so tak mungkin menghantar "puteri hang li po" ke ...
leesearle2004 Post at 18-1-2012 11:33

    ada kemungkinan.....tapi ketepatan tarikh2 juga perlu diambil kira......maklum la, ramai yg setuju skrg ni melaka start penghujung 1200-an bukan 1400.....mgkn juga ada kesilapan intrepret oleh tun sri lanang.......ataupun kisah puteri hang li po dg sultan melaka dan hang tuah bersaudara merupakan 'untold history' empayar china yg tdk mereka ketahui..........

ariapersanta

Reply 13# Yustan


   setuju, hakikatnya mungkin rekod tu ada ditulis ditempat lain,

ariapersanta

Reply 11# azredclaw66


   ha yang ni salah satu darinya, tiada pada rekod dinasti ming tapi ada pada rekod orang jepun,
mungkin juga ada pada rekod pengembara arab.

majinn

kengkadang. setiap pahlawan ata hero diwujudkan untuk menaikkan semangat. mungkin.

Fieza-mira

Kalau betullah puteri Hang Li Po tu tak wujud, sila ambik balik tanah kat bukit Cina tuh dari kaum Baba Melaka sebab kalau ikut sejarah kita tanah kat Bukit Cina kononnya ialah hadiah sultan melaka kepada permaisuri dia Hang Li Po.

Kalau Hang Li Po tak wujud, cerita sultan hadiah tanah kat kaum Baba Melaka hanyalah cerita dongeng. Sultan tak pernah hadiah kat diorang & diorang duduk tanah tu secara haram!