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my theory is an atheist is a paranoid one..
why not? they even paranoid whether God exists or not...
a paranoid will try as hard as they can to find poison in a pure water...
to some extend, when they failed to find it, they will twisting some facts and claim that the religion is bad etc..
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Originally posted by juwaini at 26-6-2006 11:40 AM
my theory is an atheist is a paranoid one..
why not? they even paranoid whether God exists or not...
a paranoid will try as hard as they can to find poison in a pure water...
to some extend, whe ...
Yeah that's right...Look at the holy Quran commentary about the behaviour:
"We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.
Yet when We bestow Our favours on man, he turns away and becomes remote on his side (instead of coming to Us), and when evil seizes him he gives himself up to despair! "
(Surah Al -Isra' 17:82 - 83) |
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Originally posted by juwaini at 26-6-2006 07:44 AM
lying? what lie? a simplistic generalization without enough proof...
murdering? there's a different between murdering and self defend....
discrimination? what discrimination? another low level accusation...
barbaric hudud law? u must be kidding right? i don't even think that u know what hudud is all about....
summary : a generalization made without enough evidence...
Your ask for the "poison" that comes out islam and i shown you some of the poisons..
Those "poisons" or "fruits of islam" is apparent all over the world... and you trying to dismiss those evil facts about islam as generalization without enough evidence? open your eyes and look around.
Lying is sactions by Muhammad and its in the hadiths.. the lying for Allah is known as Al-Takeyya. You half-baked muslims don't know about this.
Killing someone who had been surrender/captured is murder not self defence. Real musllim warriors murder people in the name of Allah.. its too obvious all over the world. You cannot deny this fact.
Discrimination is obvious apparent in Islam. no point trying to deny the obvious. In real muslim world non-muslim are known as dhimmies/zimmies.. and are treated as second class citizen. Malaysia is not islamic country.
Here is an article about Rights of Non-Muslims in an Islamic State. Read it and see how real muslims treat non-muslims..
http://emperors-clothes.com/archive/rights.htm
snipnets.."An Islamic state is essentially an ideological state, and is thus radically different from a national state." This statement made by Mawdudi lays the basic foundation for the political, economical, social, and religious system of all Islamic countries which impose the Islamic law. This ideological system intentionally discriminates between people according to their religious affiliations. Mawdudi, a prominent Pakistani Muslim scholar, summarizes the basic differences between Islamic and secular states as follows:
1) An Islamic state is ideological. People who reside in it are divided into Muslims, who believe in its ideology and non-Muslims who do not believe.
2) Responsibility for policy and administration of such a state "should rest primarily with those who believe in the Islamic ideology." Non-Muslims, therefore, cannot be asked to undertake or be entrusted with the responsibility of policymaking.
3) An Islamic state is bound to distinguish (i.e. discriminates) between Muslims and non-Muslims. However the Islamic law "Shari`a" guarantees to non-Muslims "certain specifically stated rights beyond which they are not permitted to meddle in the affairs of the state because they do not subscribe to its ideology." Once they embrace the Islamic faith, they "become equal participants in all matters concerning the state and the government."
The above view is the representative of the Hanifites, one of the four Islamic schools of jurisprudence. The other three schools are the Malikites, the Hanbilites (the strictest and the most fundamentalist of all), and the Shafi`ites.
According to Muslim jurists, the following legal ordinances must be enforced on Zimmis (Christians and Jews alike) who reside among Muslims:
1) Zimmis are not allowed to build new churches, temples, or synagogues. They are allowed to renovate old churches or houses of worship provided they do not allow to add any new construction. "Old churches" are those which existed prior to Islamic conquests and are included in a peace accord by Muslims. Construction of any church, temple, or synagogue in the Arab Peninsula (Saudi Arabia) is prohibited. It is the land of the Prophet and only Islam should prevail there. Yet, Muslims, if they wish, are permitted to demolish all non-Muslim houses of worship in any land they conquer.
2) Zimmis are not allowed to pray or read their sacred books out loud at home or in churches, lest Muslims hear their prayers.
3) Zimmis are not allowed to print their religious books or sell them in public places and markets. They are allowed to publish and sell them among their own people, in their churches and temples.
4) Zimmis are not allowed to install the cross on their houses or churches since it is a symbol of infidelity.
5) Zimmis are not permitted to broadcast or display their ceremonial religious rituals on radio or television or to use the media or to publish any picture of their religious ceremonies in newspaper and magazines.
6) Zimmis are not allowed to congregate in the streets during their religious festivals; rather, each must quietly make his way to his church or temple.
7) Zimmis are not allowed to join the army unless there is indispensable need for them in which case they are not allowed to assume leadership positions but are considered mercenaries.
Only bad people will think that cutting hand and leg and stoning people to dead as punishment. Those hudud punishment are only suitable for barbarian by barbarian. |
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Originally posted by juwaini at 26-6-2006 07:46 AM
the theory maybe is not in al-Qur'an, but the encouragement to find any theories are there...
if Qur'an need to put everything under the sun in it, can u imagine how thick it need to be?
try using simple logic, that's not too hard to do
Don't think that there is any encouragement in the Quran to find any mathematical theories.. or any theories.
Prove your claim.. telling me where in the quran does it tell muslims to find any theories or new ideas??
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Originally posted by juwaini at 26-6-2006 07:52 AM
what's ur criterion to categorize them as real muslim?
don't just make easy assumption without enough knowledge about islam...
You are the one assuming that i don't enough knowledge about islam.
Real muslims follow what Muhammad did. Casting terror in the hearts of kafirs, killing kafirs, destroying idols, killing kafirs who defend themselves
There are many people calling themselves muslims but are peaceful people.. they will not go to holy-war or will not sponsor holy-war by giving money for the fighting against infidels. These are the kind of people Muhammad would call munafiks. Most muslims are munafiks anyway.. good humans but "bad" muslims.
Muslims who do deep islamic religious study and believe the crap end up being real muslims.. like Azahari or Noordin Top and scumbags like them.
These are simple observation.. anyone can see these evolution of normal muslims becoming real muslim(aka islamic fundementalist aka muslim terrorist)
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Originally posted by eastrun at 26-6-2006 11:35 AM
Oh...sorry to say that you are too blind to see the fruits of Islam. You are not making overall comment about Islam. Kiddnapping, terror attacks, cutting heads...have seen Malaysia's good mu ...
Thats funny, cos i can see the fruits of islam crystal clear. Its everyhwere..
Are you forgeting what real muslim in Malaysia have done.. not long ago Al-Maunah group the real muslim group murdered two non-Muslim hostages - police detective Kpl. R. Sagadevan and army commando Mathew ak Medan - rather than Muslim hostages.
Fortunately, Malaysia is a secular country and the law is based on secular law. In real islamic country shariah law is used on all its people not only on muslims. Real muslim in Malaysia cannot kill non-muslim in the name of Allah and get away. The Al-Mauna members were caught and punished according to civil law.
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Rights of Non-Muslims
in an
Islamic State
By
Samuel Shahid
FOREWORD
Recently a few books have been written about the rights of non-Muslims who are subjugated to the rule of the Islamic law. Most of these books presented the Islamic view in a favorable fashion, without unveiling the negative facet inherited in these laws.
This brief study attempts to examine these laws as they are stated by the Four Schools of the Fiqh (jurisprudence). It aims at revealing to the reader the negative implications of these laws without ignoring the more tolerant views of modern reformers.
Our ardent hope that this study will reveal to our readers the bare truth in its both positive and negative facets.
S.S.
for somebody who only want to seek for negative elements inside of something, what else can we expect? |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 12:14 AM
You are the one assuming that i don't enough knowledge about islam.
Real muslims follow what Muhammad did. Casting terror in the hearts of kafirs, killing kafirs, destroying idols, killing kafirs who defend themselves
There are many people calling themselves muslims but are peaceful people.. they will not go to holy-war or will not sponsor holy-war by giving money for the fighting against infidels. These are the kind of people Muhammad would call munafiks. Most muslims are munafiks anyway.. good humans but "bad" muslims.
Muslims who do deep islamic religious study and believe the crap end up being real muslims.. like Azahari or Noordin Top and scumbags like them.
These are simple observation.. anyone can see these evolution of normal muslims becoming real muslim(aka islamic fundementalist aka muslim terrorist)
look likes my estimation about your knowledge of islam is right
u don't have enough knowledge about the attitute and nobility of muhammad s.a.w, then you just arguing without enough facts...
in the history of muhammad s.a.w, there's no war initiate by the prophet muhammad s.a.w, u can check it if u don't believe me..
as i said, what else can i expect from somebody with endless paranoid about islam...
p/s : arguing something without enough facts and knowledges, just relying on hearsay, is like going to battlefield naked and without bullets. just creating a self-embarassing situation...
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 12:09 AM
don't bluff lah.
Don't think that there is any encouragement in the Quran to find any mathematical theories.. or any theories.
Prove your claim.. telling me where in the quran does it tell ...
we've just discuss about it
surah al-Alaq
starting with iqra', mean 'read'
the word 'read' doesn't mean just being a parrot to recide something without knowing it
the definition of 'read' in the surah mean 'seek knowledge'
doesn't a simple thing for us to see that main source of knowledges is from reading?
the surah encourage us to seek useful knowledge, a 'berkat' one.
why i said a 'berkat' knowledge?
because we 'read' (finding the truth/knowledge) 'with the name of God who create us'..
reread the surah, u will see that...
is that a hard thing to interpret it as an encouragement for us to be a resourceful person?
p/s : poison in your heart make u blind from seeing something obvious...
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 12:08 AM
Your ask for the "poison" that comes out islam and i shown you some of the poisons..
Those "poisons" or "fruits of islam" is apparent all over the world... and y ...
another deception point from someone without enough knowledge about islam..
there's leniency in practises hudud.
hudud doesn't mean u stole something, u'll lose ur hand.
that's a BS statement from anti-islam muppets who want to tarnish the image of islam...
for example, when there's war, hungry, illness and emergency (darurah..) or when the value of the stolen things is low, the thief won't be prosecuted...
hudud's main purpose is not to punish, but to remind us to avoid doing sins...
p/s : i've answered all your doubt about islam.... |
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Originally posted by juwaini at 27-6-2006 01:10 AM
look likes my estimation about your knowledge of islam is right
u don't have enough knowledge about the attitute and nobility of muhammad s.a.w, then you just arguing without enough facts...
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You are wrong.. and you don't have enough knowledge of Islam.
Originally posted by juwaini at 27-6-2006 01:10 AM
in the history of muhammad s.a.w, there's no war initiate by the prophet muhammad s.a.w, u can check it if u don't believe me..
The mass murder of the Jew of medina is pure genocide commited by Muhammad. It too obviously to steal the wealth of the Jews.
You holy image of Muhammad is not supported by the deeds he committed and as reported in the hadiths.
Originally posted by juwaini at 27-6-2006 01:10 AM
as i said, what else can i expect from somebody with endless paranoid about islam...
And leave out your useless ad-hominem attacks.
Originally posted by juwaini at 27-6-2006 01:10 AM
p/s : arguing something without enough facts and knowledges, just relying on hearsay, is like going to battlefield naked and without bullets. just creating a self-embarassing situation... 
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Originally posted by juwaini at 27-6-2006 01:20 AM
we've just discuss about it
surah al-Alaq
starting with iqra', mean 'read'
the word 'read' doesn't mean just being a parrot to recide something without knowing it
the definition of 'read' in the surah mean 'seek knowledge'
I have proved to you that READ does not mean seek knowledge.
I have also shown you that the word READ or PROCLAIM in the surah was meant for Muhammad.
Muhammad was trying to be smart by claiming that Allah wanted him to PROCLAIM that Allah created man from clot and such crappy lies..
The surah have nothing to do with seeking knowledge.. your tafsir is totally wrong.
p/s there should be a limit to your asumptions.
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Originally posted by juwaini at 27-6-2006 01:25 AM
for example, when there's war, hungry, illness and emergency (darurah..) or when the value of the stolen things is low, the thief won't be prosecuted...
hudud's main purpose is not to punish, but to remind us to avoid doing sins...
DON'T 
just returning your kindness
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 03:15 AM
I have proved to you that READ does not mean seek knowledge.
I have also shown you that the word READ or PROCLAIM in the surah was meant for Muhammad.
Muhammad was trying to be smart by ...
Talking from your rear side.. using the 'wits' of your dead soul.. |
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 27-6-2006 08:16 AM
Talking from your rear side.. using the 'wits' of your dead soul..
Is that all you got to say.. to defend your evil cult?
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 08:33 AM
Is that all you got to say.. to defend your evil cult?
Dear atheist,
Why don't you keep in mind about the Quranic verse that I have showed to you yesterday?.Quran is a medicine for those who believes that it came from Allah and believe its miracle, but for people like you it can be said...poison for you. No matter how many times we reveal to you the truth about Islam, you will push them away, because you are scared. You are scared to accept that Islam is true.
Because when Islam is true, its Holy Book also true and as mentioned in The Holy Book, an atheist like has no chance to enter the Kingdom of Heaven..since you are an atheist, you are scared...you are truly coward. |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 08:33 AM
Is that all you got to say.. to defend your evil cult?
You don't deserve better for your crap.. |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 08:33 AM
Is that all you got to say.. to defend your evil cult?
Do you think you are so holy until you always talking about other's wrongdoings?.Why don't you look at youreslf dear atheist?.Look around the world and make better conclusion. Atheists act more evil than any other humankind in this world. Since they live without laws, without faith,they actually act like poisons of the world. They spread the evil elements throughout the world to make people believe what they believe. So, look at yourself.Islam is clean, it is you who makes it looks dirty. |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 03:19 AM
DON'T
just returning your kindness
Is this what an atheist can do?. Hahaha...you are really an atheist |
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Originally posted by juwaini at 27-6-2006 01:20 AM
we've just discuss about it
surah al-Alaq
starting with iqra', mean 'read'
the word 'read' doesn't mean just being a parrot to recide something without knowing it
the definition of 'read' i ...
You don't need to remind him over and over again because the coward guy won;t listen. |
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Post time 26-6-2006 11:40 AM
