Need explanations regarding some of Bible verses

gunblade712 · Post time 13-2-2009 09:21 AM

woahhhh betul sehh apa aku cakap

so debmey, no explanations on your words that KJV and the NIV uses different manuscript for 2 Chronicles 2:22?

kompia23 · Post time 13-2-2009 07:34 PM

so debmey, no explanations on your words that KJV and the NIV uses different manuscript for 2 Chronicles 2:22?

Sorry but butt in but.... there is no wrong in saying that KJV and NIV translators have been using different manuscripts because there are many copies of them out there. Same contain but different copies. As in the discovery of the dead sea scrolls, it's not just consists of a copy of the Old Testaments but of many copies. So to say that KJV and NIV use different manuscripts is alright.

Regards.

airfilterkotor · Post time 18-2-2009 12:52 AM

Come-on Debmey....come and have fun over here, yeaa....in this thread.
You like to have fun, dont ya..?

Yeaaa Debmey, come come come.

alhaj72 · Post time 20-2-2009 07:37 AM

That's the problems with Bible/manuscript copies... let's assume that from the beginning, there are two manuscripts copy, then from these two, there are another copy's of manuscript copies, then again and again... then suddenly, one of the manuscript copies has been wrongly translate or typist error... then the wrong copy's with all the error had been copied again, and again, and again....

Then suddenly, debmey and kompia in this forum can't tell us which one of the manuscript copies is true and the same content with earliest Bible/manuscript... AM I RIGHT!!!

Even one word/number different in the manuscript copies... will be QUESTIONABLE... IS THIS MANUSCRIPT'S COPY IS TRUE COPY?????

alhaj72 · Post time 20-2-2009 07:53 AM

In M'sia, we have a panel to check newly printed Al-Quran mushaf... they will check not only the wording, but even the single alphabet to match with the existing true copies of Al-Quran mushaf ;
NOTE THAT AL-QURAN IS ONLY IN ARABIC ALPHABET/LETTERS

When they found any defect because of typist error, IT WILL BE DESTROY!!!

And that's not only happen in M'sia, but in all Muslim's countries... THAT'S ONE OF THE WAY TO PRESERVE THE TRUE COPY'S OF MANUSCRIPT BESIDE MEMORIZED IT IN YOUR MIND..

That's why when you buy Al-Quran mushaf from another Muslim's contries which is printed by selected printer... you will find that the content always the SAME!!!! TRY OUT YOURSELF IF YOU WANNA FIND THE TRUTH!!!

airfilterkotor · Post time 20-2-2009 08:20 AM

Alhamdulillah....

gunblade712 · Post time 20-2-2009 09:21 AM

can debmey (or you) gave me ample reasons that the KJV and the NIV uses different manuscript?

i've read both of the history but it did not stated such.

and secondly, which one is God's word? NIV or KJV? if NIV contradicts the KJV, then one of 'em must be untrustworthy, both of 'em can't be right, you know...

gunblade712 · Post time 20-2-2009 09:23 AM

yes, exactly!

there is no such thing as an "English Quran" or "Malay Quran" as stated by some people who THINKS he has vast knowledge in Quran.

The explanations will always started from the arabic language, not just jump in from the translation.

airfilterkotor · Post time 24-2-2009 01:55 PM

Err...GB, aku nak tompang ko punya thread bleh..?

Memandangkan tajuk pun:
Need explainations regarding SOME of Bible verses.

So aku nak bertanya berkenaan dengan ayat John 16:12-14:
Regarding John 16:12-14:

(In english-sorry dunno what version...)
I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority,
but whatever he hears he will speak,and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

(In Indon Baru)
Banyak lagi yang mau Kukatakan kepadamu, namun sekarang ini kalian belum sanggup menerimanya.
Tetapi kalau Roh itu datang, yaitu Dia yang menyatakan kebenaran tentang Allah, kalian akan dibimbing-Nya untuk mengenal seluruh kebenaran. Ia tidak akan berbicara dari diri-Nya sendiri tetapi mengatakan apa yang sudah didengar-Nya, dan Ia akan memberitahukan kepadamu apa yang akan terjadi di kemudian hari.
Ia akan mengagungkan Aku, sebab apa yang disampaikan-Nya kepadamu, diterima-Nya daripada-Ku.

(In Indon Lama)
Banyak lagi perkara yang Aku hendak katakan kepadamu, tetapi sekarang ini tiada dapat kamu menanggung dia.
Akan tetapi apabila Ia sudah datang, yaitu Roh kebenaran, maka Ia pun akan membawa kamu kepada segala kebenaran; karena tiada Ia berkata-kata dengan kehendak-Nya sendiri, melainkan barang yang didengar-Nya itu juga akan dikatakan-Nya; dan dikabarkan-Nya kepadamu segala perkara yang akan datang.
Maka Ia akan memuliakan Aku, karena Ia akan mengambil daripada hak Aku, lalu mengabarkan kepadamu.

Question:
Christians believed that this Spirit of Truth is dwell among all christians and within christian heart and faith.
This spirit will guide them to the truth.(correct if im wrong)
According to the verse above and christian teaching, to whom did Jesus refer to (to be spesific)..?
Is it:
a)-12 true Jesus followers
b)-40 authors who inspired the bible(some of them are unknown)
c)-Pope
d)-Bible translators
e)-Christians all over the world
f)-non of the above.

Can anyone explain.
Nak explain dalam MALAYU pun boleh.

ps/-aku letak kat thread lain takde orang nak balas ler.....

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gunblade712 · Post time 24-2-2009 02:54 PM

tumpang? bayar sewa lah bro!

ok noted. Isu tentang pertuduhan debmey bahawa KJV dengan NIV pakai manuscript yang berbeza nih, macam mana?

airfilterkotor · Post time 24-2-2009 03:02 PM

nanti aku sadakah sikit kredit kat ko...

Itu KJV vs NIV manuscript aaaaa........tak gerak gerak pon.

gunblade712 · Post time 24-2-2009 03:48 PM

hahhah payment in cash only

itulah, dia taknak backup statement dia sendiri...

airfilterkotor · Post time 3-3-2009 07:16 PM

tolakkkkk.......

alhaj72 · Post time 3-3-2009 09:00 PM

Aku pun nak tumpang gak lah GB, ini tentang ayat dari Genesis 1 dan 2,

Nanti aku pastekan ayatnya... tapi malangnya, ayat Genesis 2 tak ada terjemahan dalam bahasa Indon, yang ada cuma Genesis 1 jerk... (sabda org.) Nape yerk?

airfilterkotor · Post time 3-3-2009 09:44 PM

Bro, cuba yg ni:
http://www.bit.net.id/SABDA-Web/Kej/T_Kej2.htm

gunblade712 · Post time 4-3-2009 02:55 PM

when will debmey explain to us on why does KJV differs from NIV for 2 Chronicles 2:22?

he said that both uses different manuscript. Is this true?

cheers

alhaj72 · Post time 4-3-2009 08:04 PM

Selain debmey... tak de lagi ke penganut kristian kat dalam forum ni??? Takkan nak menyorok kat C & C forum je... cam katak bawah tempurung lah plak (pinjam ayat kompia)

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