Betulkah teori ni????

aku_EnSeM

yeah, memang itulah yg diulang2 di dalam alquran.. In this sense, matter must feed the hell to keep the hell exist, IF hell is a black hole. However, we have to admit that even if hell isnt a black hole, this does not mean that hell is not fed continuously with human...

mbhcsf

this thread is alive!! i wish these uindividuals would come by and  adding on but alas it 's just a wishful thinking - Paparock, tengku Anis, Sarah Radzi ( clever  gal) , Intan etc etc  oh Lone _ Ranger.....

mbhcsf

this thread is alive!! i wish these uindividuals would come by and  adding on but alas it 's just a wishful thinking - Paparock, tengku Anis, Sarah Radzi ( clever  gal) , Intan etc etc  oh Lone _ Ranger.....

mbhcsf

have a good weekend everyone

hey guys how about wormhole ? another dimension?

ussopp

mungkin kewujudan black hole itu adalah untuk manusia berfikir tentang bentuk2 seksaan d neraka bg mereka yg berfikir...

this is super conclusion

btw, saya ada edit kat post 241...about eternity....hope you tak miss...

ussopp

good weekend !!!! good weekend to you too...:pompom:

aku_EnSeM

Time d sekitar event horizon...

Time dilation & length contraction berlaku around mass. So beyond event horizon, time is extremely dilated that org kt luar akan nmpk masa dlm black hole perlahan dgn perlahan-lahannya.. ahahaha... namun bagi org dlm black hole, every thing works fine (if they can withstand the gravity.. ) Namun sampai 1 point, where singularity exists, our time almost stops and people outside might see (if they can) that we stop acting. That what happens to time around mass.

Eternity yg dimaksudkan Tuhan, bg sye, i'd rather stop thinking of it.. .. Takut r..

This is because.. Take for example.. The limit of 1/x as x goes to zero. We can only define this limit to be infinity since we can't possibly evaluate 1/0. It does not make sense. Bg sye, infinity adalah satu limitation pemikiran manusia, n eternity tu adalah satu bentuk infinity... ..

I think, when we come to singularity, that is, infinitely slow time, we are out of argument. In fact, in math, we represents this as an exception value in a domain of a function, since math just cant deal with infinity. Akhirnye, terimelah seadanya... .. Sory klu x puaskan hati usopp...

aku_EnSeM

wormhole? i dont know much of this...

all i know that it is some kind of hole that can transport us to different places in the universe. However, in my opinion it is mere a 'door' to a higher dimension or so, and if we can find another door in this higher dimensional space-time, we can arrive to anywhere...

higher dimension, on the other hand, is just a normal physical entity of the universe.

i think both of these concepts are highly mathematical that one may not believe in them due to the lack of physical evidences that support them. The fact that it is very unlikely for us to exploit higher dimension implies that we will never prove this theory directly.

However, certain writers of physics and cosmology argue that when we move in a super-fast rocket away from the Earth from 1 direction, we will eventually arrive to the Earth at another direction. This implies that there exist higher space dimension that we dont realise. This is possibly an indirect proof that higher dimensions exist.


But we are left with several questions. For thousands of years since human construct the cosmos using math, deductively we can say that math works every time. So why can't we just accept every consequences that math predicts? . And we also have to remind ourselves that math itself breaks down at certain point, for example at singularity. And so math does not allow anything to be on that singularity.. But if math is always right, is it true that anything cannot be in singularity? Why cant we be on singularity? Why cant there be infinite mass, so that we just cant travel exactly at the speed of light? Is there anything more than just infinity? Why did the universe prevent us from evaluating 1/0? What is the universe, or God trying to hide?

Terlalu banyak soalan merapu... ahahaha

[ Last edited by  aku_EnSeM at 13-6-2008 07:51 PM ]

Agul

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 13-6-2008 05:00 PM
which bit and it's for Hami... so牋u could a sk her for clarification. Which part ?

All.

Agul

that's precisely what I'm trying to arrive at. Math and quantum mechanics are not good enough. If physicist have to use quantum mechanics and relativity, then of course we shouldn't be too smug that we can try to understand it by using classical mechanics. However, as layperson we could have a crack at it, just for fun. And I support this.

Agul

need more astrophysics.

btw, are those who ask about this closet agnostic? And looking for the proof on their belief in God? If that so, beware that it's almost impossible to find this kind of proof. You just have to put trust and faith first. However, don't woory since almost everything can accommodate or be stretched to fit into our religious perspective, if we so want.

aku_EnSeM

forum ade error ker.. ahaha

aku_EnSeM

page yg baru lambat bukak

aku_EnSeM

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aku_EnSeM

Halilintar

Dari luar, mmg black hole nampak hitam sebab cahaya tak mampu lepas keluar.

Tapi kalau kita sendiri ada dalam black hole, macam mana pulak?

hamizao

Woo....baru sehari Hami tinggalkan.......terpaksa pi Mandarin Hotel untuk solve problem...........kena discuss dgn German "tank" dia thread ni dah menjadi hidup...! Wah ...tak larat nak baca...Cool ! Keep it up!

To dear Agul...............yeah the truth may be illusive, but I should think the road in search of it is worth travelling, kan?

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use" (Galileo Galili)

But I love this best:

"Living on Earth may be expensive, but it includes an annual free trip around the sun"...heheh... savour the journey while it lasts!

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 14-6-2008 11:49 AM ]

Agul

Originally posted by hamizao at 14-6-2008 11:32 AM
Woo....bari sehari Hami tinggalkan.......terpaksa pi Mandarin Hotel untuk solve problem...........kena discuss dgn German "tank" dia thread ni dah menjadi hidup...! Wah ...tak larat nak baca.. ...

For me truth is something that cannot change and will never change. Other kind is just relative truth. Intellect is good and great. However one should never worship intellect. It should be use as one of the many God given gifts燼nd faculties that it is and should not be deified. Truth may seem to be illusive to most people. You, me, everyone included but maybe it's really so爏imple and right in front of us that we fail to get it. We like爐o complicate thing. Someone once said if you like complexities, you'll never see simplicity.

Agul

One day, when you go to hell. You may know if it's really black holes.

hamizao

Originally posted by aku_EnSeM at 13-6-2008 05:32 PM
yup.. since hell is permanent, and black hole isnt, hell is not a black hole. even if the life of a black hole is really long, it is still short on cosmological scale...
however, if a black hole is continuously fed with matter, its life will become longer, i think. This is to replace the masses that are lost due to Hawking Radiation. If somehow we arrive to a concrete conclusion that hell is a black hole, so the hell must be continuously fed...

~~ i wonder what feeds the hell if this is true... is it human?

Human fodder? Hmmmm......If the black hole is originally our sun, human would have been long gone......perhaps?.
But then the black hole may explode spewing and releasing all that is within! (must be of altered state then)  So what happens then, doc?

[ Last edited by  hamizao at 14-6-2008 02:06 PM ]