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Originally posted by samerosie at 30-6-2006 06:21 PM
to besiege is to attack?
yes.
what do you think.. besiege means reward is it?
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 30-6-2006 01:50 AM
What manipulation of original version? Don't you know that the original version is by Ibn Ishaq. The real muslims accept the stories. Where is you brain?
Why would muslims record that Muha ...
..FaithHealer3, why don't you surf this site first:
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/inquis1.htm
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..."The Inquisition rapidly developed a methodology and control that was impressively effective |
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..............While many people associate the Inquisition with Spain and Portugal, it was actually instituted by Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) in Rome...") |
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[quote]Originally posted by _JC_ at 30-6-2006 09:57 PM
..."The Inquisition rapidly developed a methodology and control that was impressively effective |
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You can't clear the crimes of someone by pointing to the crime of someone else.
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eddom : WTF is in your mind??
FaithHealer3: I know you are a hypocrite and a liar, so no need to make it public.
Hi guys,
:no:, ok?
Cool. 
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Originally posted by eddom at 30-6-2006 04:29 PM
cooool.... killing the father or family member of a person who done something wrong is right move???? WTF is in your mind?? Do you mean that if your family member killing somebody, then it is right to kill your whole family??? cooooooollllll...... i quite interest with what your point of view toward life......
Relaxs my friend ,you look very sad when you find out the truth about Banu Quraizah.When did i post that killing of innocents is justified,show me please?When did i said that the whole family must be punished if someone in their family commited crimes?When? |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 30-6-2006 04:40 PM
That law does not applly to the Jews of Banu Qurayza because
1) The Jews help Muhammad by saving his live from the pagans.. but Muhammad was not in peace with them.
How can Banu Qurayza saving prophet Muhammad life when Banu Quraizah themself joined the Mecan pagan to killed prophet Muhammad?
2) The Jew offerd to surrender and wanted to leave town peacefully.. but Muhammad wanted the males dead and the womens and children as booty.
Even then, had the Banu Qurayzah sought forgiveness for their betrayal, the Prophet (pbuh) may have given them respite, as he did so in the past. Nevertheless, the Banu Qurayzah had decided to fight the Muslims. This was evident from the fact that when Ali (ra) reached their fort, they openly abused the Prophet Muhammad.As the Muslim forces came close to the fort,the Jew warrior Marhab emerged out of the fort, and challenged Ali to a duel.Marhab also known as Abu Ablit and Antar enjoyed reputation as a great warrior equivalent to a thousand men. Marhab sang the battle song: "I am Abu Ablit; My name is Antar. I am armed to the teeth. My home is Khyber. I am a lion whom none can face. "Ali accepted the challenge and killed him instantly like Achilles did in the movie Troy.I believes the Jews were wrong at first to sided with the Mecans and wrong again when choosing Sa`d ibn Mu`aaz(their allies) as the arbitrator.
3) 3) the law was for the Jews against others not the other way around.
Jews laws was for Jews
4) Muhammad calims the Jew corrupted the torah.. so torah can't be used against them.
Yes prophet Muhamad claimd the Jews corrupted the Torah but he had to respect it as their religion,So they believes in their Torah as divine and it's justify to used against them.That's the same case as the Quran,you don't believes the Quran but the Quran can be used against the Muslim.The punishment for murder in the Quran is death for Muslims whether you believes the Quran or not. |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 1-7-2006 03:47 AM
How can Banu Qurayza saving prophet Muhammad life when Banu Quraizah themself joined the Mecan pagan to killed prophet Muhammad?
Go and read the hadiths.. the links were given few times already.
You are a muslim today because the Jew of banu qurayza refuse to join the pagan and attack Muhammad that day.
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 1-7-2006 03:47 AM
Even then, had the Banu Qurayzah sought forgiveness for their betrayal, the Prophet (pbuh) may have given them respite, as he did so in the past.
Why would the Jew ask forgiveness? The Jews saved his life.. despite the fact that Muhammd had chased away their fellow Jews from another tribe( Banu Nadir) from their home.. and stole their property. There is no love for Muhammad from the Jew.
Secondly, Muhammad already made his mind to murder them and grap their property.
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 1-7-2006 03:47 AM
I believes the Jews were wrong at first to sided with the Mecans and wrong again when choosing Sa`d ibn Mu`aaz(their allies) as the arbitrator.
There is some contradiction on the issue of arbitrator.. but I don't think the Jew of banu qurayza choose any arbitrator. It was Muhammad's choise.
Some arabs oppose Muhammad from killing the Jew. Ss Muhammad CHOSED Sad from the arab tribe( al- Aus) to pass judgement on the Jew.
.. as reported by ibn ishaq in his hadiths..In the morning the Qurayza came down from their fort to surrender to the apostle of Allah, and the Aus begged that ‑ as the apostle had dealt leniently with allies of the Khazraj ‑ he would do the same for the allies of the Aus. The apostle said, 'Would you like one of your own people to decide their fate |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 1-7-2006 03:47 AM
Jews laws was for Jews
The Deuteronomy 20: 10 - 14 that you quote was cooked-up by Moses so that he can steal the property of the Medians. Moses wrote it so he can justify what he had done.
If Muhammad can use it to kill the Jews, then can Ehud Olmert the prime minister of Israel use the "law" to kill the Palestinians?
Whats all the cry from the "ummah" about israel when what Muhammad did is worse that what Israel have done.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 1-7-2006 08:07 AM
The Deuteronomy 20: 10 - 14 that you quote was cooked-up by Moses so that he can steal the property of the Medians. Moses wrote it so he can justify what he had done.
If Muhammad can use i ...
Faith Healer..
If Muhammad can use it to kill the Jews, then can Ehud Olmert the prime minister of Israel use the "law" to kill the Palestinians?
You cannot relate the stories with Ehud Olmert, since Ehud OLmert, WITHOUT ANY LAWS, he already killed thousands or millions of Palestinians. Yet...nobody says he is wrong especially people like you. Moses did killed a Jew during Sabbath day. Since Moses killed the Jew,but what he has done is blessed by God, then why you should questioned it?.
I see that you are really a hardworking guy...but the way you show your effort is meaningless.You tried to find errors in the religion without thinking and searching the truth first.
And before I go, I want to tell you that what is happening now (Israelites kill Palestinians), is already prophecised by the Holy Prophet, Muhammad S.A.W :
"The Day of Judgement will not happen until knowledge is taken out, time passes quickly, earthquakes increasein numbers, tribulations appear, and al-Harj increases in number. It was said "What is al-Harj, O Rasulullah?. He said "Al-Qatl, Al-Qatl (Killing)" |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 1-7-2006 07:51 AM
Go and read the hadiths.. the links were given few times already.
You are a muslim today because the Jew of banu qurayza refuse to join the pagan and attack Muhammad that day.
Why would ...
Again...you are going to the non-Muslim website and cut and paste another wrong article...before you go further...please do read 'War Laws of Islam'.They are many books out there can be read to find the truth. There are so many sweet fruits, but why you still go to the thorns |
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Originally posted by eastrun at 1-7-2006 08:30 AM
Again...you are going to the non-Muslim website and cut and paste another wrong article...before you go further...please do read 'War Laws of Islam'.They are many books out there can be read ...
he just likes the thorn, there's nothing else we can say... |
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Faithhealer got point what he pasted but muslims coward like chicken |
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Sometimes I wonder why Christians like Truth are so keen with the Quranic errors. So what abt the Quranic errors? Are you guys expert in Holy Scriptures & how do you guys know that it's Quranic errors? Do you guys spend a lot of time reading all other Holy Scriptures like the Bible, the Indian Holy Scriptures etc & making comparisons?
Why not just produce your facts based on your findings in your own word rather than using other sources as your reference? We need original works here. |
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Originally posted by eastrun at 1-7-2006 08:26 AM
You cannot relate the stories with Ehud Olmert, since Ehud OLmert, WITHOUT ANY LAWS, he already killed thousands or millions of Palestinians.
When did Ehud Olmert killed millions of Palestinians? Jangan tipu lah.
Originally posted by eastrun at 1-7-2006 08:26 AM
Moses did killed a Jew during Sabbath day. Since Moses killed the Jew,but what he has done is blessed by God, then why you should questioned it?
and when did Moses killed a Jew?
Moses was a Jew why would he want to kill his own people?
Originally posted by eastrun at 1-7-2006 08:26 AM
And before I go, I want to tell you that what is happening now (Israelites kill Palestinians), is already prophecised by the Holy Prophet, Muhammad S.A.W :
"The Day of Judgement will not happen until knowledge is taken out, time passes quickly, earthquakes increasein numbers, tribulations appear, and al-Harj increases in number. It was said "What is al-Harj, O Rasulullah?. He said "Al-Qatl, Al-Qatl (Killing)"
Knowledge is incresing not "taken out".
Time gets slower as centuries goes by.. not increase.
Earthquakes always been happening.. not much changes
only thing he is right is about killing. Since muhammad started slaughtering people.. killing been increasing.
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Reply #278 FaithHealer3's post
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Earthquakes are normal. It happens to other planets too. Even our sun is erupting. But don't forget there're dead & newborn universe out there. The frequency of natural disasters like earthquakes indicates that our planet is very old & very polluted. The pollution is in fact speeding up its death. And another thing, our planet is a living thing & it does respond to major damages done by the human race!!! |
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Originally posted by eastrun at 1-7-2006 08:30 AM
Again...you are going to the non-Muslim website and cut and paste another wrong article...before you go further...please do read 'War Laws of Islam'.They are many books out there can be read ...
Didn't you what Iman wrote. " I see no contradictions on the history of our beloved prophet from this two links."
Anyway, the hadiths by ibn ishaq on Muhammad is one of the oldest about Muhammad.. so its more realible that newly written one.
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