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The Deity of Jesus Christ (Ketuhanan Yesus Kristus)

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Post time 26-3-2008 12:20 PM | Show all posts

Reply #278 Shwein1990's post

Since Jesus claimed that he is the only way to God...
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Post time 26-3-2008 12:21 PM | Show all posts

Reply #278 Shwein1990's post

Since Jesus claimed that he is the only way to God...
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Post time 26-3-2008 12:22 PM | Show all posts
Yes, He is the only way, based on the NEW covenant.
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Post time 26-3-2008 12:30 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by alhaj72 at 26-3-2008 12:15 PM
Ohh ye ke...

Aku tak teringat pun aku ada terbaca tentang posting tersebut.... kalau tak.. tak kan aku persoalkan lagi....

Atau   cuma satu taktik untuk mengelak dari menjawab.. seteru ...


Bukan dalam posting ini, tapi memang ada thread dalam cc ini..cari ler sendiri..
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Post time 26-3-2008 12:30 PM | Show all posts

Reply #277 Shwein1990's post

"1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause."

WHAATTTT!!!!!!! A CONFLICT (PROBLEMS) HEH....??? MIND IF YOU CAN STATE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS?? (Let me know...)

It was removed from where? GREEK MANUSCRIPTS. which means, it WAS there, but removed later on.

WHATTTT!!!!! THEY (WHOM?) CAN SIMPLY REMOVED THE ORIGINAL VERSES... OH MY GOD!!!!

And since it was there, it is possible that Latin Translations too translated 1 John 5:7 from the actual manuscripts. And THEY PRESERVE NOT ONLY the translations but also the manuscripts.

THEN.. IF THEY CAN REMOVED A VERSE, THEY ALSO CAN ADD IN A VERSE OR THE WORST.. THEY CAN MODIFIED IT?????????? NO WONDER 101 CONTRADICTIONS HAPPEN????

LUUUU PIKIRRR LAAA SENDIRIIII BEBBBBB.......
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Post time 26-3-2008 12:39 PM | Show all posts
"WHAATTTT!!!!!!! A CONFLICT (PROBLEMS) HEH....??? MIND IF YOU CAN STATE WHAT THE PROBLEM IS?? (Let me know...)"

Is there a problem?? i dono, it seems that you know that you have the idea of "a problem was there"

"WHATTTT!!!!! THEY (WHOM?) CAN SIMPLY REMOVED THE ORIGINAL VERSES... OH MY GOD!!!!"
I hope u understand that there were not only ONE set of original manuscripts were written during the ancient time.....

"THEN.. IF THEY CAN REMOVED A VERSE, THEY ALSO CAN ADD IN A VERSE OR THE WORST.. THEY CAN MODIFIED IT??????????

Yes, they can, but they DID NOT. Even they did, some faithful ones will still preserve the original ones. That is God's promise.

"NO WONDER 101 CONTRADICTIONS HAPPEN????""
Wow, they are stupid arent they.... edit n modify till contradictions came out.... haha...... (according to u)
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Post time 26-3-2008 02:27 PM | Show all posts
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE.

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 26-3-2008 11:22 AM
Watt..

Cuba kau check Old Testament verses.. tiada mengatakan tentang penyelamatan dari Tuhan.. hanya peringatan tentang penghakiman dari Tuhan... (Membuktikan Judaism percaya kepada Tuhan yan ...


Hey kawan...Baca balik post saya, ada disitu.

MAY GOD BLESS

AMEN

FROM WATT
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Post time 26-3-2008 05:08 PM | Show all posts

Balas #286 Shwein1990\ catat

Is there a problem?? i dono, it seems that you know that you have the idea of "a problem was there"..

I know there is a problem inside there because you said so.. then I would like it if you can tell me what the problem is??

"1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause."

"WHATTTT!!!!! THEY (WHOM?) CAN SIMPLY REMOVED THE ORIGINAL VERSES... OH MY GOD!!!!"
I hope u understand that there were not only ONE set of original manuscripts were written during the ancient time.....

I understand if somebody told me.. then I will check from any article if I can found one.. I just don't understand on how you or they can accept something that false like this? That means.. the scripture is not secure from evil thing (Wrong translation or what ever) and it can be read from generation to generation...

Maksud aku.. apa akan jadi jika penterjemah tersalah membuat terjemahan.. dan terjemahannya yang salah tadi dibaca oleh orang lain tanpa mengetahui bahawa terjemahan itu telah pun salah.. maka.. yang salah itu akan menjadi turun temurun.... oh.. tak dapat nak ku bayangkan.. no wonder.. Christian believed is too differ from Judaism and Islam..

Aku bukan apa Shwein1990.. aku tak hina agama sesapa-sapa pun.. walau pun aku beragama Islam sejak dilahirkan.. tak semestinya aku tak perlu belajar dan selidik tentang kebenaran agama yang aku anuti.. Sebab itu.. kalau kau baca aku punya posting.. banyak berkisar tentang sejarah... Al-Kitab...

Aku teringat tentang kata-kata Guru Agama aku dahulu.. nak mengenal ALLAH.. kena kenal diri sendiri dahulu.. asal kejadian.. kenapa manusia dijadikan..dan bermacam-macam lagi... banyak lagi aku kena belajar... dan dengan belajar tentang agama selain dari Islam juga.. membuatkan aku rajin belajar tentang agama Islam itu sendiri...

Lu pikir la sendiri......:victory:
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Post time 26-3-2008 05:30 PM | Show all posts
I know there is a problem inside there because you said so.. then I would like it if you can tell me what the problem is??

No, i quoted so.
""1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause.""
You should ask the one who say so from the Web.

"I just don't understand on how you or they can accept something that false like this?"
What false thing??

"That means.. the scripture is not secure from evil thing (Wrong translation or what ever) and it can be read from generation to generation..."
No, that is why then there were the faithful ones showed up and show their original manuscript they have to show the removed verse, thats how we got the verse!! isnt it wonderful about God!! He has His way to preserve His word!!

And again the translations are translated from the manuscript, not from translations.
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Post time 26-3-2008 06:09 PM | Show all posts

Balas #289 Shwein1990\ catat

No, i quoted so.
""1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed to cause.""
You should ask the one who say so from the Web.

Laa.. no answer.. then who know about it please answer....Casejulia? Watt?

"That means.. the scripture is not secure from evil thing (Wrong translation or what ever) and it can be read from generation to generation..."
No, that is why then there were the faithful ones showed up and show their original manuscript they have to show the removed verse, thats how we got the verse!! isnt it wonderful about God!! He has His way to preserve His word!!

Cakap saja bolehlah.. siapa pulak orang tu yekk????  then what happen to the contradictions?? then betul ke orang yang faithful tu ada manuscript original?? entah-entah dah kena ciplak gak??

LUU PIKIR LAA SENDIRI BEB....
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Post time 26-3-2008 07:24 PM | Show all posts
i ingat u sudah habis baca artikel tu, rupanya belum....
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Post time 26-3-2008 07:26 PM | Show all posts
dan contradictions dah berkali-kali explained dah...... kalau masih tak faham... tak tau macammana nak bantu.....

Mayb you should start searching for it.

search contradictions in the Bible....
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Post time 26-3-2008 11:29 PM | Show all posts
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 26-3-2008 06:09 PM
No, i quoted so.
""1 John 5:7 belongs in the King James Bible and was preserved by faithful Christians. But the passage was removed from many Greek manuscripts, because of the problems it seemed ...


Dear friend,

Actually nothing was added and nothing was removed from the 1 JOHN 5:7. Those who are not BORN AGAIN is the one who created this problem. They try to understand the meaning of that particular verse...but they failed and they interpreted it wrongly. And they claimed there is no truth in TRINITY doctrine.

MAY GOD BLESS

AMEN

FROM WATT
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Post time 27-3-2008 09:25 AM | Show all posts

Balas #292 Shwein1990\ catat

Aku baru je ikut forum kau orang nie.. nak baca semua mau makan tahun tu...

Aku ni tak da lah banyak masa nak ngadap forum nie je.. serba sedikit dapat gak ilmu...

Cuma yang aku faham.. mengikut dari perjalanan dan penulisan sejarah... memang ada perubahan, persidangan, penterjemahan semula, ayat yang dibuang dari Kitab, ayat yang dimasukkan ke dalam Kitab.. dan BERMACAM-MACAM lagi yang berlaku.. yang kita pun tak tahu... atau tidak ada orang yang sempat nak beritahu..

Aku pun pening gak.. Watt suka menulis atau menyertakan ayat-ayat dari Old Testament yang mana, Old Testament adalah Kitab bagi orang-orang Yahudi beragama Judaism. Sedangkan, penganut Kristian mempunyai Kitab sendiri iaitu New Testament. Kepercayaan yang berbeza tapi mengikuti Kitab yang sama?????????

Dan aku pun bukannya BUTA dan tiada AKAL untuk tidak menilai ayat-ayat yang disertakan itu.

Aku buat perbandingan antara ayat OT dan ayat NT.. di mana, tata bahasa serta nahu atau cara ayat itu dipersembahkan adalah berlainan... seperti Firman Tuhan dengan kata-kata manusia.. mempunyai penyampaian tata bahasa yang sangat berlainan..

Aku tak pandai untuk menjadi WORD TWISTER...

Aku menulis berpandukan fakta (termasuk juga dari post dalam forum C&C) atau artikel yang boleh dipercayai....

Nanti kalau aku ada masa.. aku kumpul dan simpan kau orang punya post.. lepas tu.. aku susun pertanyaan dan jawaban yang ada.. senang.. tak payah gaduh-gaduh.. baca dan LUUUUU PIKIRRRRRRR LAAAAAAAAA SENDIRIIIIIIIII BEBBBBBBBB....

PS: Ini post aku yang terakhir buat masa ini.... aku nak buat research sikit.. TA.. TA :victory:

[ Last edited by  alhaj72 at 27-3-2008 09:27 AM ]
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Post time 27-3-2008 12:25 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Shwein1990 at 26-3-2008 12:22 PM
Yes, He is the only way, based on the NEW covenant.


The LATEST convenant is in the Holy Quran:

"Behold! Allah took               the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom;               then comes to you an apostle, confirming what is with you; do ye               believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and               take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree."               He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses.""(Surah Al-Imran 3:81)
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Post time 27-3-2008 04:41 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by alhaj72 at 27-3-2008 09:25 AM
Aku pun pening gak.. Watt suka menulis atau menyertakan ayat-ayat dariOld Testament yang mana, Old Testament adalah Kitab bagi orang-orangYahudi beragama Judaism. Sedangkan, penganut Kristian mempunyai Kitabsendiri iaitu New Testament. Kepercayaan yang berbeza tapi mengikutiKitab yang sama?????????


x yah nak fenin kepala..Kristian terima kedua-dua OT dan NT..

OT ditulis SEBELUM Yesus, NT ditulis SELEPAS Yesus oleh Para Rasul

Sundiri mah ingat erhhh
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Post time 27-3-2008 05:28 PM | Show all posts

Reply #296 shalom's post

Adakah disciples Jesus tu dipanggil Rasul?
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Post time 27-3-2008 06:27 PM | Show all posts
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE

Originally posted by eastrun at 27-3-2008 05:28 PM
Adakah disciples Jesus tu dipanggil Rasul?


Yap....contohnya, RASUL PAULUS.

MAY GOD BLESS

AMEN

FROM WATT
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Post time 27-3-2008 06:30 PM | Show all posts

Balas #296 shalom\ catat

Tak jadi nak stop.. cannot resist this forum....

Dua-dua ente terima??.. terima dari segi apa?
Kepercayaan?
Tapi kepercayaan Judaism berbeza dengan kepercayaan kristian kan..kan..? ?
Apa beza OT Judaism dengan OT Kristian?
Adakah keduanya Kitab yang berlainan?

Lu pikir la sendiri beb...
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Post time 27-3-2008 06:36 PM | Show all posts

Reply #298 wattttb's post

ST.   itu bermaksud Rasul ke?.
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