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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 3-7-2006 12:49 AM
u mind showing me the link? even IF i did, who started the war???? did not u label me monkey and spreading bad remarks to other members in gossip forum not to debate with me???
so, it was ...
so?
two wrong doesn't make one right... |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 12:44 AM
Lke i said before read thw whole chapter before you made any judgments
than ur allah should wipe out the Jews and Christians but the true God blessed them with richness and powerful nations.
so, do i have to read the entire chapter ??? No. |
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Originally posted by juwaini at 3-7-2006 12:51 AM
so?
two wrong doesn't make one right...
So, u did wrong move by uttering such negative remarks or because of ur teachings in islam the sura 5:51 or to killed the murtad. |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 3-7-2006 12:52 AM
than ur allah should wipe out the Jews and Christians but the true God blessed them with richness and powerful nations.
so, do i have to read the entire chapter ??? No.
Yes you have to if not you will misunderstood the whole chapter by taking specific verses to suit your agenda.No wonder you always confusing with the bible verses,is it because you have no answer to them? :pmuka: |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 12:54 AM
Yes you have to if not you will misunderstood the whole chapter by taking specific verses to suit your agenda.No wonder you always confusing with the bible verses,is it because you have no answer to them?
there is no agenda as per your claimed rather we exposing the truth.
Does God of Bible promote such verses??? infact many enemies during Biblical times yet God of Bible did not injected hatred remarks.
Even the roman arrested Jesus, his followers wanted to take sword to fight but Christ clamed them down with positive remarks.
So, we can come to conclusion the positive and negative.
Islam god has kind of negative where else Christians God as positive.
That抯 is the fact |
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 3-7-2006 12:58 AM
there is no agenda as per your claimed rather we exposing the truth.
Does God of Bible promote such verses??? infact many enemies during Biblical times yet God of Bible did not injected hatr ...
How can it be truth when you are biased with the Quran verses,like i said before the answer is all oin the chapter.If you read the whole chapter you will understand it. |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 12:12 AM
Yes they are different peoples but they are allies or in modern term we called it coalition party. Finally you agree with the hadiths.. at least part of it.. good
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 12:12 AM
You've claimed that prophet Muhammad(saw) himself ordered the killings of Banu Quraizah but i've checked counter checked the hadith and it made no references to the prophet for the punishment. I don't think i ever said Muhammad himself ordered the killings. My stand is Muhammad is responsible for the deads of the all the adult males of Banu Qurayza. Muhammad was the leader of the muslims, any decision by his man have to go thru him. S'ad was chosen by Muhammad to give the verdict on the Jews, so any dicision of S'ad belong to Muhammad. Muhammad was trilled that S'ad gave judgement just like he wanted.
Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 12:12 AM
What more can we say about that,i was wondering why the Jewish tribe of Banu Quraizah didn't choose the prophet himself like they did before. What are you talking? Banu Qurayza had no choice lah. They did not chose. The tribe Aws(Aus) tried to defend the Banu Qurayza form being massacred. Muhammad chose S'ad to give verdict just to please the Al-Aws people.
[ Last edited by FaithHealer3 at 3-7-2006 01:15 AM ] |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 01:06 AM
How can it be truth when you are biased with the Quran verses,like i said before the answer is all oin the chapter.If you read the whole chapter you will understand it.
not biased but it is fact.
why many well expert scholar muslims view koran is not god words??
They have read the whole chapter yet they left Islam. even now some are silently leaving Islam without the knowledge of the friends and family.
the fact is, one if were to study depth into islamic and koran...surly they will realise something is strange about koran .....they will wonder whether it comes frm god or someone has made it.
[ Last edited by Truth.8 at 3-7-2006 01:29 AM ] |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 3-7-2006 01:10 AM
I don't think i ever said Muhammad himself ordered the killings. My stand is Muhammad is responsible for the deads of the all the adult males of Banu Qurayza. Muhammad was the leader of the muslims, any decision by his man have to go thru him. S'ad was chosen by Muhammad to give the verdict on the Jews, so any dicision of S'ad belong to Muhammad. Muhammad was trilled that S'ad gave judgement just like he wanted.
The facts remain that the Jews tribe Quraizah agree on the person as the arbitrator so it is irrelevant what the Prophet wanted for Sa`d to decide.In my opinion the Jewish tribe Banu Quraizah made a big mistake for not choosing the prophet.
What are you talking? Banu Qurayza had no choice lah. They did not chose. The tribe Aws(Aus) tried to defend the Banu Qurayza form being massacred. Muhammad chose S'ad to give verdict just to please the Al-Aws people.
read below
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... age%3D1&page=12 |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 01:22 AM
The facts remain that the Jews tribe Quraizah agree on the person as the arbitrator so it is irrelevant what the Prophet wanted for Sa`d to decide.In my opinion the Jewish tribe Banu Quraiza ...
Thats not fact but a lie. From Ibn Ishaq hadiths its clear that it was Al-Aws was the one who accepted S'ad as arbitrator not the Jews. The Al-Aws tribe tried to protect Banu Qurayza from Muhammad but failed.
The Jews were captives. They tried to defend the attack by Muhammad but losed Losers got no say in any decision taken by the victor.
yeap i advice you to do the same.
In the morning the Qurayza came down from their fort to surrender to the apostle of Allah, and the Aus beggedthat ‑ as the apostle had dealt leniently with allies of the Khazraj ‑ he would do the same for the allies of the Aus.
The apostle said,( FH3:understand that Muhammad is talking to the Aws tribe) 'Would you like one of your own people ( FH3: that is one of the Al-Aws people)to decide their fate抂b](FH3: the fate of Banu Qurayza) and they (FH3: the Aws tribe) welcomed it. He continued, 'Then let Sad b. Muadh decide (FH3: here its clear Muhammad is the one who choses S'ad )
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 12:44 AM
Lke i said before read thw whole chapter before you made any judgments
like i said before and again and again, u muslims hated Jews .
the recent one here :
http://forum.cari.com.my/viewthr ... &extra=page%3D1
and this
Originally posted by Iaye at 2-7-2006 12:39 AM
cara-cara yahudi untuk mendapatkan duit nf:
u muslims cannot deny that this kind hatred and racist comes frm ur koran and not necessary to read the whole chapter. once it put hatred verses, it planted in muslims mind and souls which is very negative and leads them hate them more by thinking allah says so .
by rite u Malay Muslims should not followed this Arabs ideology. let them with their ideology and let u Malays be positive manner and successful nations.
[ Last edited by Truth.8 at 3-7-2006 01:51 AM ] |
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[quote]Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 3-7-2006 01:44 AM
In the morning the Qurayza came down from their fort to surrender to the apostle of Allah, and the Aus beggedthat ‑ as the apostle had dealt leniently with allies of the Khazraj ‑ he would do the same for the allies of the Aus.
The apostle said,( FH3:understand that Muhammad is talking to the Aws tribe) 'Would you like one of your own people ( FH3: that is one of the Al-Aws people)to decide their fate |
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When did i mention that i hate Jews?It was well documented in history that Hitler the Christians fighter slaughtered 6 million Jews,The Crusaders slaughtered many Jews,the inquisition slaughtered many many Jews,the Roman Christian slaughtered many many many Jews.Can you deny that? |
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Originally posted by wira_melayu at 3-7-2006 02:11 AM
It is clear in the narration that the Jewish tribe of Banu Quraizah welcome the Al-Aws people to decide on their fate and its natural for the observer( in this case it was the prophet) to choose a leader but not a layman for the decision.
Observer? LOL..
Muhammad was not an observer. He was the main man. Those Jew lost their property to Muhammad. The mothers, sisters, daughters of the Jew become slaves because of Muhammad. Those Jews died because of Muhammad. Muhammad was not an observer.. get that right.
Once the Jew trived in Medina, now not even a single Jew lives in Medina because of Muhammad.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 3-7-2006 02:48 AM
Observer? LOL..
Muhammad was not an observer. He was the main man. Those Jew lost their property to Muhammad. The mothers, sisters, daughters of the Jew become slaves because of Muhammad. Thos ...
Frm where u get all dis nonsense man? must be from from that guy Ali Sinner :geram:
Dis website tell de truth about the matter. Sinner always a sinner & Ali Sinner is reall sinner
http://www.faithfreedom.com/ali_sina_exposed/truth_about_jews.htm |
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instict of finding out which religion is truth....
why not you guys finding out which statement of which religion teaching the positive/negative(if any) things??
i would like and interest to know also ![](static/image/smiley/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by eddom at 3-7-2006 08:38 AM
instict of finding out which religion is truth....
why not you guys finding out which statement of which religion teaching the positive things??
i would like and interest to know also
read who post negative thing most in dis forum then u know la which religion positive & which negative :siok: |
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hmm, i would like to know more which is touch in the holy book rather than the human behavior, no matter how good is a religion, human action still stick their will. For example, from Islamic, some one told me that there is a statement which state that :"muslim must be higher priority than non-muslim", "non-muslim must pay jihya while muslim dosn't need". i dont know how true is that statement or somebody just create the fault statement to confusing other. If those statement is true, then i consider those statement teach negative thing. |
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Originally posted by eddom at 3-7-2006 08:38 AM
instict of finding out which religion is truth....
why not you guys finding out which statement of which religion teaching the positive/negative(if any) things??
i would like and interest to kno ...
u can see negativity/positivity of a religion according to the way the follower's behave themselves..
eventhough religion can't be blamed for a human mistake, i believe that if u're a pious one, u'll avoid any sins at any cost.. |
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Originally posted by POPOY at 7/2/06 04:41 PM
read who post negative thing most in dis forum then u know la which religion positive & which negative :siok:
unfortunately the behavior of a follower doesn't always reflect the true teaching of his religion. |
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