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[Tempatan] Malaysia: Noor Farida, Khalwat tidak boleh dianggap jenayah – G25

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Post time 11-12-2015 10:38 PM | Show all posts
cmf_shalom replied at 7-12-2015 03:08 PM
Yup Bedah..

Kita ambil contoh yang paling jelas...Status Islam sebagai agama Persekutuan sepert ...
TAPI kalau kita rujuk balik, konteks sebenarnya klausa tersebut ia, adalah sangat berbeza dengan apa yang cuba dimomokkan. Islam agama Persekutuan adalah terhad kepada istiadat/upacara rasmi Persekutuan sahaja...Bukannya menjadikan Malaysia ini negara Islam dalam erti yang sebenarnya.




Salam Shalom,


Sesiapa yang tahu apa itu Perlembagaan Persekutuaan akan tahu mesej yang Shalom sampaikan.


Dari tulisan diwebsite Bar Council:


  • A 5-member panel of the Supreme Court comprising Salleh Abas L.P., Wan Sulaiman, George Seah, Hashim Yeop and Syed Agil Barakbah S.C.J.J., had to consider the meaning and effect of Article 3(1) in the landmark case of Che Omar bin Che Soh v. P.P.25   In that case, an accused facing a mandatory death sentence for drug trafficking, argued that since Islam is the religion of the Federation under Article 3(1) and since the Constitution is the supreme law of Malaysia under Article 4(1), the imposition of the death penalty for that offence, not being a “hudud” or “qisa” according to Islamic law, is contrary to Islamic injunction, and therefore unconstitutional and void.
  • The judgment of the Supreme Court was delivered by Lord President Salleh Abas, who was not only the head of the Judiciary but had been Malaysia’s Solicitor General, and an outstanding constitutional scholar and devout Muslim.  According to the Court:

The first point to consider here is the meaning which could be given to the expression ‘Islam’ or ‘Islamic religion’ in Article 3 of the Constitution.  If the religion of Islam in the context means only such acts as relate to rituals and ceremonies, the argument has no basis whatsoever.  On the other hand, if the religion of Islam or Islam itself is an all-embracing concept, as is normally understood, which consists not only the ritualistic aspect but also a comprehensive system of life, including its jurisprudence and moral standard, then the submission has a great implication in that every kind has to be tested according to this yardstick”.26
  • The Supreme Court stated:

The question here is this:  was this the meaning intended by the frames of the Constitution?  For this purpose, it is necessary to trace the history of Islam in this country after the British intervention in the affairs of the Malay States at the close of the last century”.27
Lord President Salleh Abas outlined how the British intervention in the Malay States since 1874 resulted in a separation of Islam into 2 aspects:  the public aspect and the private aspect.  The British by introducing the doctrine of sovereignty severed the divine source of a Malay Ruler’s Islamic “vicegerent” powers turning into a “secular institution”.  His Lordship then concluded in these terms:
Thus, it can be seen that during the British colonial period, through their system of indirect rule and establishment of secular institutions, Islamic law was rendered isolated in a narrow confinement of the law of marriage, divorce, and inheritance only.  (See M B Hooker, Islamic Law in South-East Asia, 1984).
In our view, it is in this sense of dichotomy that the framers of the Constitution understood the meaning of the word ‘Islam’ in the context of Article 3.  If it had been otherwise, there would have been another provision in the Constitution which would have the effect that any law contrary to the injunction of Islam will be void.  Far from making such provision, Article 162, on the other hand, purposely preserved the continuity of secular law prior to the Constitution, unless such law is contrary to the latter.
It would thus appear that not much reliance can be placed on the wording of Article 3 to sustain the submission that punishment of death for the offence of drug trafficking, or any other offence, will be void as being unconstitutional”.
  • Lord President Salleh Abas continued:-

It is the contention of Mr Ramdas Tikamdass that because Islam is the religion of the Federation, the law passed by Parliament must be Imbued with Islamic and religious principles…
Needless to say that this submission, in our view, will be contrary to the constitutional and legal history of the Federation and also to the Civil Law Act which provides for the reception of English common law in this country”.28
After praising submissions of Counsel in view of the fact that they were not Muslims, the Court concluded with these words:
However, we have to set aside our personal feelings because the law in this country is still what it is today, secular law, where morality not accepted by the law is not enjoying the status of the law.” 29



Sila baca article penuh:


http://www.malaysianbar.org.my/constitutional_law/is_malaysia_an_islamic_state_.html
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Post time 11-12-2015 11:39 PM | Show all posts
nymphoria replied at 10-12-2015 11:29 PM
I agree with Bedah.Cun.
I have always been puzzled dan clueless dengan macam mana undang-undang  ...

Khen, what is difference between undang2 kanun kesultanan Melayu zaman klasik dengan undang2 Sharia dalam negeri2 di Malaysia zaman sekarang neh? I curious and curious so daripada bagi analogy "kalau anak perempuan you meromen depan you, so jangan halang" or etc semata2 nak perli orang, ade faedahnye kalau cuba terangkan ape yang diorang tahu, ape yang orang lain tak tahu? Explain, elaborate, rather than duk ambil antagonistic role macam petikan kata2 Dr. Chandra Muzaffar tue.

Thanks bang @Maideen you've been very helpful enlightening us about undang2 and constitution. I tak rase benda2 teknikal neh mudah untuk difahami atau dijelaskan. Tapi at least you ade effort nak point out
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Post time 12-12-2015 01:04 AM | Show all posts

ko ingin 3 some dgn mak & anak dia?  
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Post time 12-12-2015 01:11 AM | Show all posts
Maideen. replied at 9-12-2015 12:08 PM
Itu lah Bedah. Ada dikalangan orang Isle bangga dengan glory days Islam. Mereka bangga dengan sain ...

masalahnya ulamak ulamak sarban nie membiak ramainya macam tikus & lipas  

mmg tak lama lagi malaya akan jadik negara TALIBAN  


mohon mandulkan ulamak ulamak bahalol nie  

jangan bagi puak2 nie MEMBIAK  
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Post time 12-12-2015 01:14 AM | Show all posts
Bedah.Cun replied at 9-12-2015 12:09 PM
Tapi ulamak2 tue tak amik add maths dan tak reti English sangat, bang Maideen. Macam mane diorang  ...

abah ko ohhhh goshh.... mmmm... well....

macam kenal je malaun mana satu tu  
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Post time 12-12-2015 03:40 PM | Show all posts
Acong: apasal tak pasang je cctv setiap ceruk kawasan.. boleh monitor 24 jam....


mesti ramai yg nak apply keje monitor cctv tu nanti...
haha....

ape agaknye..reason sebenar she allz...berkata2 begitu?...


"Kumpulan pesara kerajaan Melayu" laa..nape x bercucuk tanam...kan bgs utk kesihatan...hehe...
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Post time 12-12-2015 04:03 PM | Show all posts
Acong replied at 12-12-2015 01:11 AM
masalahnya ulamak ulamak sarban nie membiak ramainya macam tikus & lipas  

mmg tak lama l ...

jgn haraplah..geng2 ni lah paling kuat sekali membiak
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Post time 12-12-2015 05:39 PM | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 7-12-2015 11:37 AM
mod, u jawab dan pandang dari pandangan dunia you as muslim yg muslim lahir - tapi bukan semua org ...

stuju....

our upbringing...parents...persekitaran...
org sekeliling...kite...pendidikan yg kite terima...kawan2...kite...
semuanye mempengaruhi....cara pemikiran seseorg....

contoh senang..kalau students yg study di local unis...
most likely pemikirannye x same dgn mereka yg study overseas...
(contoh saje..bukan nak banding kan..this group is better than that group..etc..)
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Post time 12-12-2015 06:18 PM | Show all posts
cmf_shalom replied at 7-12-2015 01:48 PM
Apabila bercakap pasal agama..dosa dan pahala memang tidak dapat dielakkan.

Bagi ak orang l ...

i teringat pulak hukum hudud di brunei...
sultan & family sultan..terkecuali..pulak...

di arab saudi pun mcm tu kan?....
so yg kena tangkap khalwat ni pun...2x5 jugak la kot....
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Post time 12-12-2015 11:07 PM From the mobile phone | Show all posts
Acong replied at 12-12-2015 01:11 AM
masalahnya ulamak ulamak sarban nie membiak ramainya macam tikus & lipas  

mmg tak lama l ...

kalau komen  macam ni kat FB. mendapat lah.mana boleh hina ulamak guru mulia mereka.

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Post time 12-12-2015 11:11 PM | Show all posts
ymlite_killer replied at 12-12-2015 11:07 PM
kalau komen  macam ni kat FB. mendapat lah.mana boleh hina ulamak guru mulia mereka.

macam laa aku kisah............  
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Post time 13-12-2015 01:46 AM | Show all posts
kau hina agama aku ya?
kau hina agama aku ya?
aku rogol kau!
aku rogol kau!

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Post time 13-12-2015 05:33 AM | Show all posts
cmf_shalom replied at 11-12-2015 11:48 AM
Sebab selalu dimomokkan liberalisme tu senjata jahat asal dari barat....

Ujung2 dia duduk kat barat
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Post time 13-12-2015 06:00 AM | Show all posts
Maideen. replied at 10-12-2015 10:13 PM
Terima kasih kembali Orange........ Prrrrrrrrrpfffftght

Yang Maideen gelak tu ialah bila "lep ...

Oh ye lah....leperrr sadisnya pariahh tu kena reject sana sini melukutt di tepi gantang mcm anjingg kurap.
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Post time 13-12-2015 06:02 AM | Show all posts
sekngucing replied at 13-12-2015 01:46 AM
kau hina agama aku ya?
kau hina agama aku ya?
aku rogol kau!

Beryy d terrorist sgt! Datin faridah tu siap dgn segala fakta2 konkrittt pejue isle setakat aku rogoll ko.
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Post time 13-12-2015 06:08 AM | Show all posts
Maideen. replied at 10-12-2015 04:52 PM
Salam Shalom,

Ayat yang kununnya membertahu betapa jahatnya Yahudi dan Nasroni itu ialah dari S ...

Tak phm tul kitab suci qoran bannyak pupuk permusuhan.
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Post time 13-12-2015 06:23 AM | Show all posts
Edited by Orange1 at 13-12-2015 06:25 AM
Maideen. replied at 9-12-2015 12:48 PM
Bang Maideen tak kisah sangat jika mereka diberi rezeki oleh Allah SWT dengan cara dapat makan sed ...

Part ni betulll sgtt Maideen, org2 agama ni suka la majelis2 gitu, ada makan free semua. Yg tok kadi tu bukan nikahkan org saja2, tu ha duk menunggu duittt tipp pulak, lg ramai org menikah lg byk lah masukk. Masa i g kawin koboii kat jawi dulu (kang ada duk menjaja i livinn togederr seumurr hidop lak), siap staff kat pejabat agama tu bagitahu berapa kena bagi tip kat tuk kadi nanti...dah dpt gaji siap tetapkan tip berapa pulak sekali berjabatt tgn, dasarr muka tak malu, gunakan agama utk dpt keuntungan. Kan dah dpt gaji, tak perlulah tetapkan tip semua, klu org bagi ikhlas oklah. Tp inilah realiti org2 yg konon beragama sgtt!
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Post time 13-12-2015 06:31 AM | Show all posts
mbhcsf replied at 10-12-2015 10:28 PM
again ambil ayat quran secara segmental dan buat hujah.

Amboiiii punya bertahunn ko ketapp bibirrr kat Maideen sekalii ko quoted dia ini saja yg ko mampoo? Sadissss sgttt
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Post time 13-12-2015 06:51 AM | Show all posts
sekngucing replied at 13-12-2015 01:46 AM
kau hina agama aku ya?
kau hina agama aku ya?
aku rogol kau!

hahahaha   

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Post time 13-12-2015 06:52 AM | Show all posts
Datuk farida ni cantik sgtt orgnya, walaupun dah berusia tp blh nampak dia seorg wanita yg cantikkk, mestiii masa muda duluu lg cantikk n ramaii peminatsss.
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