About GOD

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 3-11-2006 12:41 PM


No, your god is powerless. :no:

He cannot even reveal himself to the people, and just to one individual - Muhammad and Muslims must believe what Muhammad said to be saved. ;)

Your god can ...

well your God(s) didnt solve bickering amongst Hindu devotees either , Why didnt Your God(s) Stopped Nathuram Godse(A Hindu Nationalist) from assasinating Gandhi? All of which you mentioned i can criticise your God(s) too for not taking the same responsibilities too, Why India still tops the chart list as one of the most poorest countries in the world ?   Why does India Have high HIV cases? And serious Problems with Hygiene-control amongst its poor ?  The Buddhist God(s) did not stopped Japan from going to war and enslaving the hundreds of thousands ... Nor did the Buddhist God (S) helped the Nationalist Imperial China to victory against Mao Tse Tung ... you see, likewise Seph and Barney, i can play the same game of blaming your God(s) for all the problems and troubles at least of course amongst your devotees. If we were to keep blaming God for our imperfections... we arent going anywhere really ..


An idiot eh?  i didnt came close to insult you oh well but if that is what you want others to define your behaviour.. well i really cant do anything . Yes God has 99 names, the Most Powerful, The Most Merciful, The Most Kind... and the list goes on , are all attributes what the Supreme have.  And Of course God Named himself , He is afterall the Most Powerful and the Highest in the hierachy of Power.  You should really try and understand How Symbols,texts,and words can mean different things to different people. Lets See if God allowed mortals to name Him , what woud it sound like....

The Word 'God '
Spanish-Dios
Dieu-French
German-Gott
Italian-Dio
Norwegian-Gud
Russian-???

Tell me, is there unity ?  And thats not all, Different languages have different instructions on how to use words... To make things even more complicated Languages like Chinese, Russian and Japanese have their own alphabets and different grammar structures is there unity of understanding if GOD allowed mortals to describe or illustrate Him in any fashion according to mankind's feeble understanding of His Greatness...?

[ Last edited by  Obersliutenant at 3-11-2006 03:00 PM ]

barney50

1. responded by Obersliutenant:well your God(s) didnt solve bickering amongst Hindu devotees either , Why didnt Your God(s) Stopped Nathuram Godse from assasinating Gandhi?

Copy the Code

The bickering is not confined to Hindus but Muslims, Jews, Christians and many others. So, your question has no basis to matter at hand. Why would GOD want to do that? It is not GOD's work to give you 24/7 protection. You create an incident and you are answerable to your own action. Why would GOD want to involve in it. That is the myth of Muslims but not Hindus. Man is answerable to his own action. You need to understand that or else your knowledge of religion and philisophy is ZERO.

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by barney50 at 3-11-2006 02:49 PM
responded by Obersliutenant:well your God(s) didnt solve bickering amongst Hindu devotees either , Why didnt Your God(s) Stopped Nathuram Godse from assasinating Gandhi?

The bickering is not c ...

The bickering is not confined to Hindus but Muslims, Jews, Christians and many others. So, your question has no basis to matter at hand. Why would GOD want to do that? It is not GOD's work to give you 24/7 protection. You create an incident and you are answerable to your own action. Why would GOD want to involve in it. That is the myth of Muslims but not Hindus. Man is answerable to his own action. You need to understand that or else your knowledge of religion and philisophy is ZERO.

Well done !. Agreed!. So i believe you have answered Sepiroth's question:



quoted 'Your god calls himself "Almighty" but he cannot even save Muslims for the past 1,400 years from living like animals. Millions perish every year due to hunger in Africa, idiots like Osama and Ahmedinijab spent millions making weapons and waging war when they can spent for their people AND idiots like you daydream of 72 prostitutes. Where's your god now? I don't see a god in Muslims society anywhere.'

So conclusion : DONT blame God( im being general, all religions included) For your mistakes, and maybe to be specific, human error.

[ Last edited by  Obersliutenant at 3-11-2006 03:08 PM ]

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by Sephiroth at 3-11-2006 12:41 PM


No, your god is powerless. :no:

He cannot even reveal himself to the people, and just to one individual - Muhammad and Muslims must believe what Muhammad said to be saved. ;)

Your god can ...

2 Ar-Rahman (الرحمن) The All Beneficent
3 Ar-Rahim (الرحيم) The Most Merciful
4 Al-Malik (الملك) The King, The Sovereign
5 Al-Quddus (القدوس) The Most Holy
6 As-Salam (السلام) The Peace and Blessing
7 Al-Mu'min (المؤمن) The Guarantor
8 Al-Muhaymin (المهيمن) The Guardian, The Preserver
9 Al-Aziz (العزيز) The Almighty, The Self Sufficient
10 Al-Jabbar (الجبار) The Powerful, The Irresistible
11 Al-Mutakabbir (المتكبر) The Tremendous
12 Al-Khaliq (الخالق) The Creator
13 Al-Bari' (البارئ) The Maker
14 Al-Musawwir (المصور) The Fashioner of Forms
15 Al-Ghaffar (الغفار) The Ever Forgiving
16 Al-Qahhar (القهار) The All Compelling Subduer
17 Al-Wahhab (الوهاب) The Bestower
18 Ar-Razzaq (الرزاق) The Ever Providing
19 Al-Fattah (الفتاح) The Opener, The Victory Giver
20 Al-`Alim (العليم) The All Knowing, The Omniscient
21 Al-Qabid (القابض) The Restrainer, The Straightener
22 Al-Basit (الباسط) The Expander, The Munificent
23 Al-Khafid (الخافض) The Abaser
24 Ar-Rafi (الرافع) The Exalter
25 Al-Mu'izz (المعز) The Giver of Honour
26 Al-Mudhill (المذل) The Giver of Dishonour
27 As-Sami (السميع) The All Hearing
28 Al-Basir (البصير) The All Seeing
29 Al-Hakam (الحكم) The Judge, The Arbitrator
30 Al-`Adl (العدل) The Utterly Just
31 Al-Latif (اللطيف) The Subtly Kind
32 Al-Khabir (الخبير) The All Aware
33 Al-Halim (الحليم) The Forbearing, The Indulgent
34 Al-Azim (العظيم) The Magnificent, The Infinite
35 Al-Ghafur (الغفور) The All Forgiving
36 Ash-Shakur (الشكور) The Grateful
37 Al-Ali (العلى) The Sublimely Exalted
38 Al-Kabir (الكبير) The Great
39 Al-Hafiz (الحفيظ) The Preserver
40 Al-Muqit (المقيت) The Nourisher
41 Al-Hasib (الحسيب) The Reckoner
42 Al-Jalil (الجليل) The Majestic
43 Al-Karim (الكريم) The Bountiful, The Generous
44 Ar-Raqib (الرقيب) The Watchful
45 Al-Mujib (المجيب) The Responsive, The Answerer
46 Al-Wasi (الواسع) The Vast, The All Encompassing
47 Al-Hakim (الحكيم) The Wise
48 Al-Wadud (الودود) The Loving, The Kind One
49 Al-Majid (المجيد) The All Glorious
50 Al-Ba'ith (الباعث) The Raiser of The Dead
51 Ash-Shahid (الشهيد) The Witness
52 Al-Haqq (الحق) The Truth, The Real
53 Al-Wakil (الوكيل) The Trustee, The Dependable
54 Al-Qawiyy (القوى) The Strong
55 Al-Matin (المتين) The Firm, The Steadfast
56 Al-Waliyy (الولى) The Protecting Friend, Patron and Helper
57 Al-Hamid (الحميد) The All Praiseworthy
58 Al-Muhsi (المحصى) The Accounter, The Numberer of All
59 Al-Mubdi' (المبدئ) The Producer, Originator, and Initiator of all
60 Al-Mu'id (المعيد) The Reinstater Who Brings Back All
61 Al-Muhyi (المحيى) The Giver of Life
62 Al-Mumit (المميت) The Bringer of Death, The Destroyer
63 Al-Hayy (الحي) The Ever Living
64 Al-Qayyum (القيوم) The Self Subsisting Sustainer of All
65 Al-Wajid (الواجد) The Perceiver, The Finder, The Unfailing
66 Al-Majid (الماجد) The Illustrious, The Magnificent
67 Al-Wahid (الواحد) The One, the All Inclusive, The Indivisible
68 As-Samad (الصمد) The Self Sufficient, The Impregnable, The Eternally Besought of All, The Everlasting
69 Al-Qadir (القادر) The All Able
70 Al-Muqtadir (المقتدر) The All Determiner, The Dominant
71 Al-Muqaddim (المقدم) The Expediter, He Who Brings Forward
72 Al-Mu'akhkhir (المؤخر) The Delayer, He Who Puts Far Away
73 Al-Awwal (الأول) The First
74 Al-Akhir (الأخر) The Last
75 Az-Zahir (الظاهر) The Manifest, The All Victorious
76 Al-Batin (الباطن) The Hidden, The All Encompassing
77 Al-Wali (الوالي) The Patron
78 Al-Muta'ali (المتعالي) The Self Exalted
79 Al-Barr (البر) The Most Kind and Righteous
80 At-Tawwab (التواب) The Ever Returning, Ever Relenting
81 Al-Muntaqim (المنتقم) The Avenger
82 Al-'Afuww (العفو) The Pardoner, The Effacer of Sins
83 Ar-Ra'uf (الرؤوف) The Compassionate, The All Pitying
84 Malik-al-Mulk (مالك الملك) The Owner of All Sovereignty
85 Dhu-al-Jalal wa-al-Ikram (ذو الجلال و الإكرام) The Lord of Majesty and Generosity
86 Al-Muqsit (المقسط) The Equitable, The Requiter
87 Al-Jami' (الجامع) The Gatherer, The Unifier
88 Al-Ghani (الغنى) The All Rich, The Independent
89 Al-Mughni (المغنى) The Enricher, The Emancipator
90 Al-Mani'(المانع) The Withholder, The Shielder, the Defender
91 Ad-Darr (الضار) The Distressor, The Harmer (This attribute can only be found in hadith)
92 An-Nafi' (النافع) The Propitious, The Benefactor
93 An-Nur (النور) The Light
94 Al-Hadi (الهادي) The Guide
95 Al-Badi (البديع) The Incomparable, The Originator
96 Al-Baqi (الباقي) The Ever Enduring and Immutable
97 Al-Warith (الوارث) The Heir, The Inheritor of All
98 Ar-Rashid (الرشيد) The Guide, Infallible Teacher and Knower
99 As-Sabur (الصبور) The Patient, The Timeless

I'd like to ask you a simple question ...

Do you believe God is the Most Almighty?  and the Most Supreme?

[ Last edited by  Obersliutenant at 3-11-2006 03:16 PM ]

Obersliutenant

Originally posted by barney50 at 3-11-2006 02:49 PM
responded by Obersliutenant:well your God(s) didnt solve bickering amongst Hindu devotees either , Why didnt Your God(s) Stopped Nathuram Godse from assasinating Gandhi?

The bickering is not c ...

sorry if it sounded a bit  too sharp there Barney ,  wos just giving a comparison... , do read my post again

i212

by Seph
And yes, Children do create illustration of what THEY THINK their parents could look like, regardless of what they look like in the real life. Why? I don't know ... maybe they want to hold on something physical when they cannot hold onto their parents.

so... its about children.. they can not think properly.
How about Adult? They can think, but WHY they need ILLUSTRATION or SCULPTURE and say that was GOD IMAGE?.
How come God image can be like Animal or something else?
Where did they see those GOD image?
Imagination?
How if the imagination are wrong?

[ Last edited by  i212 at 3-11-2006 05:31 PM ]

probably near big and dark trees...

benign

To some people, their arrogance and ignorance blinded their eyes.
An orphan who doesnt know who is his father is, is not and can not be equivalent to the none existance of his father. To use this as an example is an example of how ignorant man can be. Although the explanation would be of logical science. Pity them.

Im an orphan but i dont go around asking do i have a father but the right question would be WHO is my father. If thats not enough, an intercourse between two women doesnt result to a biological baby. Thus the answer would be: the Father exist eventhough the orphan doesnt know who he might actually be. Science my friend. Finish your kindergarten then you can question about other peoples faith.

Maybe some particular person here has a donkey for a father. maybe that would explain their kindergarten-ish behaviour.

benign

Originally posted by i212 at 3-11-2006 05:30 PM


so... its about children.. they can not think properly.
How about Adult? They can think, but WHY they need ILLUSTRATION or SCULPTURE and say that was GOD IMAGE?.
How come God image can be lik ...

because some people doesnt have faith my friend. how can they have faith when they do not believe in faith. They do not understand AT ALL what faith is all about.

they even see themselves as having minds as similar as the babies. These people couldnt even think for themselves. All they no is eat-sleep-shidtt-fuss about everything they couldnt cope with. its better for these people to, first, graduate from kindergarten.

[ Last edited by  benign at 3-11-2006 06:04 PM ]

benign

silly babies.. hihi

ALLAHU AKBAR!!

Obersliutenant

congratulations i212, you have contributed well...you use simple words but the message is clear and logic is sound, well done.

barney50

1. responded by benign:
   
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3. To some people, their arrogance and ignorance blinded their eyes.
   
4. An orphan who doesnt know who is his father is, is not and can not be equivalent to the none existance of his father. To use this as an example is an example of how ignorant man can be. Although the explanation would be of logical science. Pity them. Im an orphan but i dont go around asking do i have a father but the right question would be WHO is my father. If thats not enough, an intercourse between two women doesnt result to a biological baby. Thus the answer would be: the Father exist eventhough the orphan doesnt know who he might actually be. Science my friend. Finish your kindergarten then you can question about other peoples faith.
   
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6. Maybe some particular person here has a donkey for a father. maybe that would explain their kindergarten-ish behaviour.

Copy the Code

You are an orphan and that is your karma but surely you have a father and due to your bad karma you are unable to see of picture your father or even your mother. That is how some people are, it's their karma that they have been born inot that faith where they do not realize who or how GOD looks like. So do not blame us for your unfortunate life. About a donkey being the father, did you poder that for a moment to see if that could be in your case? Some science konon........

benign

so just because i have a bad karma now i need to believe that i have no father?

BTW i dont believe in karma. but i do believe in the existance of KURMA.

now.. your answer please Mr. Karma.

barney50

1. responded by benign:so just because i have a bad karma now i need to believe that i have no father?
   
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3. BTW i dont believe in karma. but i do believe in the existance of KURMA.
   
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5. now.. your answer please Mr. Karma.

Copy the Code

Understand the statement before you wish to argue. Since you said you are an orphant which implies you have been abadon at birth by your parents or your parents died while you were a toddler. In this case you are an unfortunate child with bad karma whereby you were not destined to live with your parents. Make fun it does not matter because but remember the truth always hurts for those who live in ignorance.

benign

so how do you know that it is bad? does the definition of BAD includes not living with your parents?

what im trying to say is, with regard to the original question (ABOUT GOD), Seeing aint necessarily believing. thats all.

barney50

1. responded by benign:so how do you know that it is bad? does the definition of BAD includes not living with your parents?
   
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3. what im trying to say is, with regard to the original question (ABOUT GOD), Seeing aint necessarily believing. thats all.

Copy the Code

It is bad coz although you had parents yet you are unable to get the love and hugging and care. That is considered bad karma of your past life that you had to miss them in this life. You did not chose this life but chosen for you according to you deeds of the past. Yes, it may be true to certain extend that seeing ain't necessarily believing but what you see in your heart is what faith is all about.

benign

What past? Again i dont believe in Karma.

i believe that God has chosen my life as an orphan as a blessing in disguise. Im happy with life as it is, and i dont see it as bad. its how I conduct my life.

Alhamdulillah. Segala Puji Bagi Allah Tuhan sekelian alam.

aint this thread is about the existence of GOD?

barney50

1. responded by benign:What past? Again i dont believe in Karma.
   
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3. i believe that God has chosen my life as an orphan as a blessing in disguise. Im happy with life as it is, and i dont see it as bad. its how I conduct my life.
   
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5. Alhamdulillah. Segala Puji Bagi Allah Tuhan sekelian alam.
   
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7. aint this thread is about the existence of GOD?

Copy the Code

No, GOD did not chose this life for you but you yourself. It was decided before you were born that you would be an orphant. And that my friend is KARMA. Yes, you do not see it as bad coz that is the only way you could console yourself. But thank GOD that due to some good deeds you are spared of the worst. Look at some of the orphants who are suffering the worst. Now that is a consolation for you. For that you can be happy and be a good human being so that you'd get a better life in the next birth.

benign

Originally posted by barney50 at 3-11-2006 07:29 PM
No, GOD did not chose this life for you but you yourself. It was decided before you were born that you would be an orphant. And that my friend is KARMA. Yes, you do not see it as bad coz that is the only way you could console yourself. But thank GOD that due to some good deeds you are spared of the worst. Look at some of the orphants who are suffering the worst. Now that is a consolation for you. For that you can be happy and be a good human being so that you'd get a better life in the next birth.

-how do i choose when i was not yet borned?

-I do look to those orphants who have suffered. But there are those who were borned with both parents, yet suffers no less. How do you explain that?

barney50

1. responded by benign:
   
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3. how do i choose when i was not yet borned?
   
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5. -I do look to those orphants who have suffered. But there are those who were borned with both parents, yet suffers no less. How do you explain that?

Copy the Code

I said it was destined before you were born. It is not that you chose this life but was destined as per karma. That too is. The parents bad karma and the childs bad karma combines to give the present effect. Yo have to learn more on this otherwise it maters not. To Muslims these is all test from Allah, that is because they do not have an explanation for the suffering and enjoyment human beings go through in life. Why would GOD wants to test you when HE the all knower would know what is hidden in your heart. When it is said in the Quran that man was given freewill so why test him? Let him act according to his own freewill and let him pay the consequences of his own action. It is also said punishment on judgement day in that case why punish him with all the concocted syariah laws? Is it not contradicting?