biar mati anak; jangan mati adat

dutchy

Heheheh....bab hantaran beribu2 ni ada dikalangan semua orang kita. Ada tu RM999,999 yang dijanjikan tak langsaipun!!

so hami...di dlm konteks neh...penting ker kita nk mengikut adat..walopung it does not serve any purpose...more like a human trade?

Mansairaku

Originally posted by dutchy at 27-9-2007 11:55 PM
so hami...di dlm konteks neh...penting ker kita nk mengikut adat..walopung it does not serve any purpose...more like a human trade?   

maybe penting itu tidak ..
but perhaps culture is like human themselves ..
not perfect,  tapi sometimes imperfection itu sendiri menjadi sebahagian daripada its charms ..

lagipun, adat tak pernah tetapkan berapa berapa,
to abuse adat itu terpulang pada manusia,
sebenarnya adat bagi duit hantaran ni, secara subtle ...
kasi duit pada pihak perempuan untuk handle majlis kawin/makan,
sebab tu majlis kawin kebiasaannya lebih pada rumah pengantin perempuan,
if buat dekat masjid sekalipun, kebiasaannya masih pihak perempuan yang
handle bab makan2 ...

Originally posted by wisteria at 11-9-2007 12:39 PM
what do you think about this about this peribahasa?


(sorry kalau dah ada - first trial utk bukak thread)

hanya menunjukan betapa kuatnya mereka berpegang pada adat...kiranya betapa syg kan anak sekalipun adat lagi dijunjung..kalau ikut kan kisah nabi ibrahim dengan nabi ismail..kerana tuntutan agama sanggup dia mengorban kan anak dia sindri..

hamizao

Dalam kontek ini setahu Hami, adat hanya menyatakan 'hantaran' dan 'belanja' . Tetapi sendirilah yang menetapkan apa dan berapa banyaknya. Di sinilah datangnya inovasi2 manusia dalam cara meletakkan butirannya. Bukan salah adat kalau emak ayah atau sedara nak letak 'harga' tinggi..................Itu mengikut citarasa masing2. Bila terlalu rendah, kang orang kata...senangnya nak dapatkan anak dara dia. Bila terlalu tinggi pula ada yang  berkata macam nak jual anak!. Pada Hami adat resam ini suatu yang indah jika dipergunakan dengan wajar semampunya.

Tidak salah kalau orang nak beri hadiah/hantaran bebanyak kepada bakal menantu kalau mampu. Kalau kerana riak ...memanglah lebih elok di jauhi. Hami biasa lihat upacara perkahwinan di buat besar2ran tetapi jodoh pula  sampai 2 bulan aje.  Pada Hami dalam bab perkahwinan ini niat diri dan doa restu keluarga penting.

abemus

bagi aku ada itu bagaikan seni suatu kaum..
however.adab is more important than adat...

[ Last edited by  abemus at 30-9-2007 02:34 PM ]

hamizao

Originally posted by abemus at 30-9-2007 02:28 PM
bagi aku ada itu bagaikan seni suatu kaum..
however.adab is more important than adat...

heheh..but than pada Hami adab adalah adat juga ..............kan?.

LostSoul

i don't think adat is comparable to religion.. and by saying that, i would definitely choose my kid's life than following adat.. i would be banned, i would be slighted, but still, for me, human's life is more important than a bunch of guidelines et by a group of people..

let say when it comes to marriage, for instance, my kid cannot marry a girl because she came from same sect, i would rather be scorned by the sect and let him marry the girl because i would not jeopardize his happiness (same as like killing him).

sudutgamat

Originally posted by wisteria at 11-9-2007 12:39 PM
what do you think about this about this peribahasa?


(sorry kalau dah ada - first trial utk bukak thread)

no way

wisteria

agreed with lostsoul .. adat is not comparable to agama ... and i personaly thinks we don't really need adat ... but adab - yes .. and adab is different with adat ... ada adat yg tak berapa beradab ... such as mandi bunga ... ikut adab .. anak dara should not tunjuk tubuh to anybody .. even to the bomoh pun ...

redsinner

i concur with you on ADAB...
with religion you can afford to say yes or no, but IMHO adab ni universal.

tak elok anak ckp kasar kat ibubapa, melainkan ibubapa tu salah
tak elok tunjuk jari telunjuk ke muka org

ingat x nama sejarah masa form 4? Sejarah Peradaban Manusia kan...all about civilization so being beradab ni being civilized.
sometimes being civilized is not necessarily being religious, but being religious you are expected to be civilized.

hamizao

I tend to think that "adat" is  way of living. In certain ways  it may be governed by the religion one follows. In others it depends on the values that have been passed down from one generation to another. "Adab" being some of it but "adab" merely concerns a person's behaviour ...manners .....like what what you should do when in the midst of other people. Some "adat" may change with time. In fact with the coming of Islam, many "adat" have changed to suite the new philosophy.

Mansairaku

....  another peribahasa to counter the given peribahasa?

" adat bersendi syarak"  

hamizao

Mod, apasal kat list of REPLIES Hami post Mansairaku yg diatas ni dated 7-11-2005?