DID JESUS REALLY DIE FOR MY SINS WHEN I WAS A CHRISTIAN?

DavidW

Reply 20# sonny~~


   

whats your interpretation of EXACTLY SAME NATURE OR BEING?

My interpretation is exactly the same as wikipedia and it did not say say bodily like you said. The problem is you, not Christianity.

where in the bible that say in SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT JESUS IS GOD?  where?

But you don't believe in the Bible. Why do you bother to ask for Biblical evidence? Aren't you silly?

whats the difference between me saying SIMPLE COMMONSENSE and you asking for SCRIPTURAL AUTHORITY?

Because yours is no common sense at all. You are commenting on Christian doctrine. How can you say prophets doed for mankind when there is no such teaching in the Bible?

dunno.  dare you create a thread?  chicken?

You don't. Then I suggest you start reading your Quran. How can you call yourself a Muslims and not know Allah is the best deceiver?

why do you take my questions on trinity as debate?  if you think trinity is that perfect, you should explain it with pride instead of overly defensive.  is that what your 3 gods in 1 god trinity teaches you?  character err nick assassination, heckling and playing retarded?  shame on you for your narrowmindedness.

I already explained it, the problem is, you did not read.
If you don't even read, why did you ask?

knock knock is your brain intact?  IF me dont read, me wouldnt know what to ask right?  if you truly understand trinity, you wouldnt treat my question as a confrontation right?

Exactly, you didn't know what to ask. You even made statements and claims that is not written in the wiki article I provided you.

on the other hand if you're able to think and reason logically, respond intelligently to me HARDquestions.  no heckling.  no repetitive one line statement.

I do reason logically, the problem is, you didn't.

should me questions be lengthy?  short and precise would be easier for you to tackle right?  butt me dont expect one line explanation on trinity from you right?

First of all, please stop your broken English. If you cannot respect others, don't expect others to respect you.

is that how you wanna run away from explaining trinity by accusing me of not believing in bible?  thats heckling or are you playing retarded?

But you don't believe in the Bible, how can anyone possibly use the Bible to explain Trinity to you?

ME HARDquestion stays - WHERE IN BIBLE THAT SAYS ALMIGHTY GOD GOTTA DOWN TO EARTH AS MAN JESUS TO SAVE MANKIND?  AND WHY NEED HE DO THAT?  WELL?

But you don't believe in the Bible, why do you ask for Bible reference? Whatever I can provide you won't make any sense cos you don't believe in the Bible.

jfreemanns

You are not sinless just because you are a Christian. How can an ex-Christian not know that? T ...
DavidW Post at 10-2-2011 18:35

SO YOU ARE SAYING THAT I AM ACCOUNTABLE TO SIN WHEN I WAS A CHRISTIAN THEN?

JFREEMANNS

DavidW

No, you are not sinless even if you are Christian.

sonny~~

My interpretation is exactly the same as wikipedia and it did not say say bodily like you said. The problem is you, not Christianity.

alright.  lemme decipher and see whether its in right direction.  wiki says according to trinity, god exists as 3 persons but is one god.  the dict among others says PERSON means INDIVIDUALITY and this means ENTITY and this means THING and this means ENTITY/CREATURE and so it goes.  wiki says god the son and god the holy spirit have EXACTLY SAME NATURE OR BEING as god the father.  the dict among others says NATURE means ESSENTIAL CHARACTERISTIC OF PERSON while BEING means PERSON/HUMAN BEING.  hence god exists as 3 PERSONS meaning 3 BODIES but is one god.  right?  3 gods in 1 god.

since these 3 gods have EXACTLY SAME NATURE/BEING then its jesus cum god the son cum god the father cum god the holy spirit in 1 god.  right?  hence when jesus god the son died thats gonna mean god the father cum god the holy spirit gonna die too.  3 in 1 remember?  dont make sense right?  hence the problem is trinity not christianity or me.  if you follow the bible dilligently, you neednt manipulate its words to keep trinity erect.

so me HARDquestion stays - WHERE IN BIBLE THAT SAYS ALMIGHTY GOD GOTTA GO DOWN TO EARTH AS MAN JESUS TO SAVE MANKIND?  AND WHY NEED HE DO THAT?  WELL?  

from wikipedia -
According to this doctrine, God exists as three persons but is one God, meaning that God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have exactly the same nature or being as God the Father in every way.[3] Whatever attributes and power God the Father has, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit have as well.[3] "Thus, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are also eternal, omnipresent, omnipotent, infinitely wise, infinitely holy, infinitely loving, omniscient."[3]

But you don't believe in the Bible. Why do you bother to ask for Biblical evidence? Aren't you silly?

playing retarded again?  sure me believe in bible so where in bible that says in SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT JESUS IS GOD?  am waiting

Because yours is no common sense at all. You are commenting on Christian doctrine. How can you say prophets doed for mankind when there is no such teaching in the Bible?

are you saying prophets didnt do gods work on earth till death do they part?

You don't. Then I suggest you start reading your Quran. How can you call yourself a Muslims and not know Allah is the best deceiver?

well 3 gods in 1 god trinity is the most evil deceiver.  trust me

I already explained it, the problem is, you did not read.
If you don't even read, why did you ask?

your explanation is questionable.  thats why me ask you to clarify.  you neednt switch to uncontrollable rage everytime trinity is questioned coz its a sign of your deceptive narrowmindedness

Exactly, you didn't know what to ask.

the fault is yours not mine.  you dunno how to respond intelligently.  hence - WHERE IN BIBLE THAT SAYS ALMIGHTY GOD GOTTA GO DOWN TO EARTH AS MAN JESUS TO SAVE MANKIND?  AND WHY NEED HE DO THAT?  WELL?  

You even made statements and claims that is not written in the wiki article I provided you.

where?

I do reason logically, the problem is, you didn't.

is this what you call your logical reasoning?  you could do better if your grey matter intact

"Jesus died physically, not spiritually. He is still almighty. He is able to die physically because he took the form of a man. If he cannot die physically, then there is no point coming in the form of a man in the first place.

If you say that God cannot come in the form of a man, then god is not almighty and somehow restricted by your concept of Him which is a ridiculous notion."

First of all, please stop your broken English. If you cannot respect others, don't expect others to respect you.

you gotta earn respect, you dont demand.  you wanna play retard, others gonna play likewise.  me no englishman, so me dont speak english good.  on other hand if i try my level best to speak perfect english, will it encourage to explain trinity with an open mind?  deal?

But you don't believe in the Bible, how can anyone possibly use the Bible to explain Trinity to you?

sure i believe in the bible and am awaiting your honest explanation on trinity

But you don't believe in the Bible, why do you ask for Bible reference? Whatever I can provide you won't make any sense cos you don't believe in the Bible.
DavidW Post at 11-2-2011 01:11

thats the 4th time you said i dont believe in bible.  so i repeat SURE I BELIEVE IN BIBLE now what exatly is trinity all about?

my HARDquestion - WHERE IN BIBLE THAT SAYS ALMIGHTY GOD GOTTA DOWN TO EARTH AS MAN JESUS TO SAVE MANKIND?  AND WHY NEED HE DO THAT?  WELL?  

jfreemanns

No, you are not sinless even if you are Christian.
DavidW Post at 11-2-2011 04:44

PLEASE DESCRIBE IN AS MANY WAYS AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN AS TO HOW AM I "NOT SINLESS" AS YOU SAY .... IF I HAD REMAINED A CHRISTIAN?

JFREEMANNS

sonny~~

Reply 11# DavidW

Does Allah keep Muhamad erect all the time in heaven to screw non stop?

let's talk crap and see whether mr MOD and mr SUPERDUPER gonna take notice and deduct our credits

does 3 gods in 1 trinity god wanna keep erect all the time in heaven screwing each other non stop?

sonny~~

Reply 11# DavidW

So Muhamad died in his 50s and had more than a dozen wives and had unlimited sex with slave girls and women.

let's talk crap and see whether mr MOD and mr SUPERDUPER MOD gonna take notice and deduct our credits

so 3 gods in 1 trinity god gonna have unlimited sex with each other eternally in heaven  

kompia23

Reply 12# jfreemanns

SO I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW FROM KOMPIA OR DAVID AS TO WHETHER I WOULD BE SINLESS FROM BIRTH TO THIS DAY IF I HAD REMAINED A CHRISTIAN AS YOU SWEET TALKING GUYS ARE SO ABSOLUTELY SURE A 100% THAT JESUS HAD ALREADY DIED IN THE PAST FOR MY SINS?

You will still be sinning, bro because you have the knowledge of good and evil. And when you do something that is not good, that is evil, it is sin. So when, you sin, you fallen short from the glory of God.

That is why, even you are Christians, you will continue sinning, but you have a redeemer who already paid for your sins. And for Christians who is a true Christian, he/she will try his/her best to avoid sin as God is.

Regards

DavidW

PLEASE DESCRIBE IN AS MANY WAYS AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN AS TO HOW AM I "NOT SINLESS" AS YOU SAY .... I ...
jfreemanns Post at 11-2-2011 17:56

How can you possibly be an ex-Christian and not know basic Christian doctrine?

sonny~~

so the upright no nonsense intellectual aussie has turned inTO nitwit pom pom cheerleading . . . . .  

nitwit mr DEBMEY cum DAVID and nitwit SONNY
heckler you heckler me

lets see whether all these threads gonna reach 50 pages or so filled with repetitive one line statement from DEB D DAV.

ANYHOW LEMME REWIND - JESUS DIED FOR MANKIND AS A MAN NOT AS 3 GODS IN 1 TRINITY GOD OR 2 GODS IN 1 TWONESS GOD.   

DavidW

Jesus is both man and God. God in identity, man in form. That's basic Christian doctrine. Simple.

jfreemanns

Jesus is both man and God. God in identity, man in form. That's basic Christian doctrine. Simple.
DavidW Post at 12-2-2011 09:52

This Christian doctrine you speak of ...can you vouch it is to be a 100% from God or is it the creation of lesser men of God's Creation? And morover do you consider the Holy Bible to be a "doctrine" too?

JFREEMANNS

jfreemanns

How can you possibly be an ex-Christian and not know basic Christian doctrine?
DavidW Post at 12-2-2011 00:28

Then through the precious blood of Jesus Christ the Redeemer of the Wretched, the Souless and the Condemned...you should summon the rightful act of lovingly teach me then. So in how many ways am I accountable for my sins when Assured Salvation through the death of my dearest ex-God... is my right from birth? Please do not give me a Twilight Zone answer dear DAvidebbo... for I came from there

JFREEMANNS

jfreemanns

You will still be sinning, bro because you have the knowledge of good and evil. And when you do something that is not good, that is evil, it is sin. So when, you sin, you fallen short from the glory of God. That is why, even you are Christians, you will continue sinning, but you have a redeemer who already paid for your sins. And for Christians who is a true Christian, he/she will try his/her best to avoid sin as God is. kompia23 Post at 11-2-2011 21:30

So I still be accountable for sins although Christian indoctrination says that Jesus dies for my sins... does this mean that Jesus died a death in vain then?

JFREEMANNS

jfreemanns

Jesus is both man and God. God in identity, man in form. That's basic Christian doctrine. Simple.
DavidW Post at 12-2-2011 09:52

The part about Jesus being both Man And God..... you got that from your creative solutions fix program in Christian indoctrination or is it proven? I want only Bible verses of Jesus clearly giving definitively very clear expressions that sound off this thematics of "THEREFORE I AM YOUR GOD AND ONLY YOUR GOD AND THERE IS NO OTHER GOD OTHER THEN I AM" and anything that ryhmns within this context of fixed words.

No expressions that fall short of an orgasm like " therefore I AM.." or " I that BE" will not be considered as truthful admissions of being God by Jesus.

JFREEMANNS

DavidW

That is the Bible version of Jesus and basic Christian doctrine. How can you possibly be an ex-Christian like you said and not know that? That's an outright giveaway you lied jfreemann.

jfreemanns

That is the Bible version of Jesus and basic Christian doctrine. How can you possibly be an ex-Chris ...
DavidW Post at 12-2-2011 23:58

So you admit that there is a difference between the writers of the Bible version of Jesus and the basic Christian Indoctrination? So why the difference? Is it to accomodate the vast difference between the OT and the NT?


JFREEMANNS

DavidW

Where  did I admit there is a difference between the two. Please explain yourself clearly.

jfreemanns

Where  did I admit there is a difference between the two. Please explain yourself clearly.
DavidW Post at 13-2-2011 08:49

Bible version does not show Jesus as God. Christian doctrine does. So there is a difference between them. You wish to deny these facts?

JFREEMANNS

DavidW

Bible does showed clearly that Jesus is God. I am very sure you have never read the Bible before.