RM6 bilion untuk kapal peronda baru TLDM - sebijik kapal 1 Billion...?

lipanlapan

'Kos kapal tentera laut mahal 870 peratus'

"Hatta dalam kelas yang amat tinggi, Lockheed Martin dan General Dynamics, dua syarikat persenjataan terbaik dan terbesar di dunia, membina kapal perang Littoral (LCS) Amerika Syarikat dengan nilai kurang daripada AS300 juta (RM913 million) pada tahun 2004," kata Pua.
parking Post at 7-2-2011 18:22

Hahaha, ahli politik bile berkata2

Tahun 2004, kalo ikut ilmu hisab si Phua, Forex  1 USD = RM 3.04; RM913M/USD300M hahahaha. Dah x de tambatan ringgit dah ke mase tu?

Bile pulok nilai ringgit sangat kukuh tahun tu? Adoi..

Patotnya mase  1 USD = RM3.80, maka kos rekabentuk, ujian, pembinaan & pentauliahan kapal litoral Tentera Laut AS berharga USD 300M = RM1.14 billion. Zaman tu, berapa pula harga gula/ beras Super 5 / tepung gandum sekilogram ?


Adoyai...mmg pandai.

kasibiman

yb tony pua would like to have hoi sin sauce or soy sauce with the shoes?

petola

kita baca plak apa kata datuk ariff sabri, org umno pekan..
sapa yg BI dia kureng sikit mintak maaflah...
rata2 yg bagi pendapat bertentangan tang menda ni kat forum ini sebijik macam apa yg datuk ariff sabri ni pikir..

Wednesday, 9 February 2011
Malaysia’s Littoral Combat Ships.

The defense ministry's allocation of a RM 6 billion budget to build 6 Littoral Combat Ships (LCS) has raised some controversies. The DAP's economic czar, Tony Pua has raised some reservations about the budget allocation. He calls for more transparency and straightforwardness in the defense contracts. The ships will be built by Boustead Naval Shipyard which is a subsidiary of LTAT.

Pua's comments have stirred up a chorus of accusations that MINDEF may be over spending. It has also invited a rebuttal from a writer with a weekly defense journal. A blogger who has a hobby reading up on any military hardware and technology has also responded to Pua's comments.

Pua may have fouled up in his comparisons. But I am ready to concede in this case, facts are not that very important- the meaning and reading into the meaning of the contracts are. Pua's comments were meant to raise awareness about the possibilities of shady deals and deals that will later turned bad.

Consider the record. The ships built by Amin Shah are probably better employed as deep sea  fishing vessels now. We bought submarines that had difficulties in submerging. We have airplanes mothballed in the desert in America. We have had magee mee and screw drivers sold to MINDEF at extortion exorbitantly inflated prices.

So when MINDEF makes public its allocation on any project, any right thinking people will stand up.

So I will not denigrate Pua's concerns too much. It has everything to do with financial discipline and financial good governance.

That aside, my main concern is the RM 6 billion sufficient at all to build 6 LCS such as that commissioned by the US Navy?

Usually in any defense contracts, technical teams from MINDEF will be working closely with contractors. Granted that in itself is no guarantee that ships will be built to specifications. That is also no guarantee that the ships built will be operational even.

The ships infamously built and contracted to Amin Shah have not been operational and have been plagued with all sorts of technical deficiencies. So I wouldn't place too high a premium, even if experts from MINDEF were to sit and hold hands with the contractors. Probably they will do that in karaoke bars and over some beer mugs.

Normally I would relish tearing into the contracts to see whether there are any possibilities of grossly inflated numbers which can only mean one thing:- money and commissions passing hands.

I am more interested in the reasoning given by the Minister of Defense. His remarks hardly inspire confidence in our defense capabilities.

Out of the RM 6 billion allocation, 2 billion will be allocated to vendors. The minister says he will monitor to see that vendors are paid. Hello? Are we missing something here? His role is not to oversee that vendors get paid- there will be a committee doing that. Unless the vendors are UMNO contractors mostly from Perak who will be campaigning for Zahid, his primary duty is to see the second generation patrol vessels are built according to technical specifications and will be delivered on time. More important his duty is to ensure there are enough funds to build such an LCS. The US Navy for example is spending around USD600-700 million per vessel.

So in the end, if you under-build, what will the vessels be employed for? To provide escort services for our fishing vessels?

ultra78

pakai sampan ajelah

kasibiman

Ohh raise awareness katanye.

Alahai molia sunggoh niat yb tony pua dan balaci pencacai dia yg soh pegi buat oversea.

Its mainly for the sake of raising awareness.


Kesahnyaa....

xy_daen

adoooyaaaiiii...... dah tuu Nuri tu kan dah lama...dahhh lamaaaaa beli...makcik oi...:lol ...
shamsadis Post at 9-2-2011 17:53

    Aku hari tuh kejang perut sebab gelak lama sgt melayan si manami ni lah....

petola

ini antara komen kepada posting ariff sabri:-

Yes, we should be extremely wary. Look at the closed loop – MINDEF controls LTAT, which controls Boustead (major shareholder and board control), and Boustead controls Boustead Naval Shipyard (the defense contractor), which makes ships for MINDEF. This contract was probably not awarded based on an open tender. So we should expect very high prices and large future variation orders, either because BNS screws up just like Amin Shah’s PSCI did (he was rescued by government despite corruption findings and mismanagement for which no charges were filed despite findings by the Public Accounts Committee) or because MINDEF decides to “upgrade” the weapons systems, or because someone is tempted to pad the contract price to feed some politically-connected cronies. There is no transparency now and there won’t be in the future as well. Stay tuned for price escalations and delays.

simply put projek ini ialah projek mindef top down...
bukan projek mindef beli kapal drp kontraktor...
sebijik cam projek yg hancus dgn amin shah dulu..

kasibiman

Walopon nama amin shah aka abu juling (prfftthhhhh) tiada mana2 dlm mindef, ltat, boustead, bhic;

TETAP

harus diratib yea?
Takpa.. Utk 'awareness'


Btw, yb pua masih blom confirm will it be hoisin or soy sauce to go with the shoes

FaithNoMore

Apa apa pun janji bangkang lah....dapat tunjuk pandai skit.........

anya8797

mungkin derang tak faham kita beli blueprint skali agaknya......sebab tu bila cakap satu bil satu kapal...it is expected bukan meko punya design...macam first batch meko 100.....sebab kita dah ada design and so the amount wouldnt be as much..... lagipun the suggested weight 2000 tan dan letak armour as suggested......its more like frigate klas......

petola

Tubuh JK Parlimen pantau beli kelengkapan pertahanan
Hazayani Zakaria   

KUALA LUMPUR, 9 Feb: Naib Presiden PAS, Datuk Mahfuz Omar meminta satu jawatankuasa khas di peringkat parlimen ditubuhkan bagi memantau dan meluluskan sebarang pembelian peralatan kelengkapan ketenteraan melibatkan kos yang tinggi.

Beliau berkata, kerajaan harus mewujudkan mekanisme baru dalam proses pembelian kelengkapan ketenteraan bagi memastikan pembeliannya benar-benar mengikut keperluan negara dengan menubuhkan jawatankuasa berkenaan yang melibatkan ahli parlimen dari pelbagai parti politik.

"Oleh kerana pembelian kelengkapan pertahanan ini memerlukan perbelanjaan yang sangat besar jadi perlu dirujuk kepada satu jawatankuasa di peringkat parlimen seperti mana yang wujud dalam parlimen di United Kingdom," kata beliau ketika dihubungi Harakahdaily hari ini.

Beliau berkata demikian sebagai mengulas mengenai tindakan Kementerian Pertahanan yang sedia membayar RM6 bilion bagi enam kapal tentera laut, 870 peratus lebih mahal daripada bayaran negara lain untuk kapal yang sama.

Jawatankuasa ini juga, katanya dapat memastikan wang negara tidak digunakan dengan sewenang-wenangnya selain mengelakkan ketirisan dalam perbelanjaan wang rakyat.

"Pembelian kelengkapan pertahanan mesti ditujuk kepada jawatankausa khas parlimen untuk pastikan pembelian itu benar-benar memenuhi keperluan dan tidak berlaku kebocoran dalam perbelanjaan sebab pembelian ini memakan belanja yang besar," katanya yang juga ahli Parlimen Pokok Sena.

cmf_inquisitor

Ohh raise awareness katanye.

Alahai molia sunggoh niat yb tony pua dan balaci pencacai dia yg soh ...
kasibiman Post at 9-2-2011 20:29

pttnya suh tony raise awareness psl ilmu defense dulu... so xdela kuar fakta yang merapu dan bodoh...

xy_daen

Tak terkojut den bilo Mahpus pun dok ratib 870%...

cmf_inquisitor

Korang cuba bayangkan la kalau Pakatan Rakyat betul2 menang pilihanraya umum nanti, and form government.

Sapa laa yang paling layak untuk jadi Menteri Pertahanan?

haru biru la jadinyaa....

HangPC2

Sampan Gunaan Perang Versatile (SGPV)



Builders - Limbungan Pakatan Berhad (a subsidiary of Partai Aksi Demokratis)

Spec :

Length : various from 75m OPV to 300m Aircraft Carrier

Range : unlimited

Powerplant : 2 x 4 stroke 4T motorcycle engine or OBM cap Yamahal plus the Djinn for sea skimming low flight capability

Armament : 75 x batang nyapu amareka for Anti Shipping Capabilities..1 x Pak Dukun Mk.II with Santau..Saka and Badi for long range strike capabilities..1 x Parang Kontot CIWS

Description : Strengthened A4 hull with stealth configurations

System : Pak Dukun Mk.III GODLIKE psychic radar and sensors for all 4D warfare...

sekngucing

tu kapal apa tu hangpc?

HangPC2

Sampan Gunaan Perang Versatile (SGPV) Proposal dari Tony Pua....

HangPC2

Gila lah nak Open Tender...... semua maklumat rahsia musuh tahu... buat malu kat negara Sland jer.....

HangPC2

Gila lah nak Open Tender...... semua maklumat rahsia musuh tahu... buat malu kat negara Sland jer.....

Periuk_api1209

Beliau berkata demikian sebagai mengulas mengenai tindakan Kementerian Pertahanan yang sedia membayar RM6 bilion bagi enam kapal tentera laut, 870 peratus lebih mahal daripada bayaran negara lain untuk kapal yang sama.
petola Post at 9-2-2011 23:22

..bila pulak kapal sama..jenis model pun belim keluar lagi...adeh puak2 pas ni mengarut apa ni???

mana pulak datang  870 peratus lagi mahal??? mcm mana dorang kira berapa persent naik kalau base line kapal apa yg nak di ambik pun tak tau lagi...