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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 6-7-2006 10:44 AM
look who is talking.. LOL
another question dodger.. :lol
when u can't answer my challenge, u change the subject
good job :gila: |
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Originally posted by juwaini at 6-7-2006 10:58 AM
another question dodger.. :lol
when u can't answer my challenge, u change the subject
good job :gila:
LOL..
already answered you lah.. tell me which part of NO you don't understand..
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 6-7-2006 11:18 AM
LOL..
already answered you lah.. tell me which part of NO you don't understand..
this part..
Originally posted by juwaini at 3-7-2006 10:39 PM
so? how did u know whether pahala is real or not when judgement day doesn't happen yet?
just like before u got your salary, u can't even give guarantee that u'll get it...
u said a few days ago, u got ur salary right?
did u get ur salary for another 3 years yet? NO...
so your salary is an imaginary one...
it's a shame when an atheist use this kind of falacy logic... |
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Originally posted by juwaini at 6-7-2006 11:21 AM
Originally posted by juwaini at 3-7-2006 10:39 PM
so? how did u know whether pahala is real or not when judgement day doesn't happen yet?
just like before u got your salary, u can't even give guarantee that u'll get it...
u said a few days ago, u got ur salary right?
did u get ur salary for another 3 years yet? NO...
so your salary is an imaginary one...
it's a shame when an atheist use this kind of falacy logic...
I think your don't know the meaning of salary. Thats why you are comparing salary to pahala.
Yes.. no one can be sure he will keep getting his/her salary. But the fact remains people have seen salary and even daily people are getting salaries.
unlike your 'pahala" which is totally imaginary. No one gets to see the imaginary idea called pahala which was cook-up by the arabian.
No one can't be sure that they will get their salary in distant future but silly muslims think they will definately "dapat pahala". Your thinking is shollow for comparing salary to pahala.
If you have even a little bit of common sense, you will know that comparing something known to exist with something never existed is stupid.
but then again most people are stupid.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 6-7-2006 06:21 PM
I think your don't know the meaning of salary. Thats why you are comparing salary to pahala.
Yes.. no one can be sure he will keep getting his/her salary. But the fact remains people have s ...
how did u know that pahala is not exists?
because u can't see it?
u have 'akal' or not?
let me tell u that u're the one who doesn't have 'akal'
why? because we can't see ur akal... |
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Originally posted by juwaini at 7-7-2006 08:17 AM
how did u know that pahala is not exists?
because u can't see it?
u have 'akal' or not?
let me tell u that u're the one who doesn't have 'akal'
why? because we can't see ur akal...
earlier salary now akal.. irrelevant comparision.
pahala is an arabian idea. an imaginary one. just like the dumb karma crap from the hindus.
muslims pahala is nothing "cetak rompak" of hindu's karma.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 7-7-2006 10:51 AM
earlier salary now akal.. irrelevant comparision.
pahala is an arabian idea. an imaginary one. just like the dumb karma crap from the hindus.
muslims pahala is nothing "cetak rompak ...
Since you are so good at accusing "pahala" as a thing similar to "karma" in Hinduism (wrong of course) ...pls tell us what "pahala" means and what do you understand by it and why you arrived at that conclusion? Explain to us what "karma" means too pls.. You have made your judgement. Surely you know what you mean...
Reading this link, I don't see anywhere where "karma" can be equated to "pahala"
 :http://www.pastlifereadings.com/ukarma.html
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Originally posted by KENNKID at 7-7-2006 11:04 AM
Since you are so good at accusing "pahala" as a thing similar to "karma" in Hinduism (wrong of course) ...pls tell us what "pahala" means and what do you understan ...
Simple, agree or not, both are point collecting system. Good deeds gives you more points.
Anyway, how can you say karma is wrong?
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 7-7-2006 11:54 AM
Simple, agree or not, both are point collecting system. Good deeds gives you more points.
*** Anyway, how can you say karma is wrong?
Actually the word "pahala" is not even in the Qur'an and if you were to meet an Arabic speaking man he wouldn't know what you're talking about. "Pahala" is a sanskrit word. The Malays/Indonesians as you know derived many of their words from Sanskrit when their forefathers were Hindus. BUT, the concept of "pahala" is 360 degrees different from "karma" ...
"Pahala" means merit or reward for remembering God and for good moral conduct (which is in the Qur'an and hadith) and in the sense of Islam it is merit from God Almighty for our good deeds. Not points. The merit of all merits is God's love bestowed upon us on top of the love that He has already bestowed. It is a measure of merit & recognition for one's sincerity, devotion and conviction. The award of "pahala" is God's prerogative. It is not something one assumes to have been given or to be surely given - one can only strive for it by remembering God, by being sincere and by doing good deeds. When one is sincere, forthright and remembers God, there is no need to ask for it... God knows better. The opposite of "pahala" is "dosa" (another Sanskrit word) which means sin.
*** ...and I was saying your statement of equating "pahala" to "karma" is wrong.. whether "karma" is wrong or right... I'm not a Hindu or a Buddhist. It is not taught in Islam. So, no comments - not my business..
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 7-7-2006 11:54 AM
Simple, agree or not, both are point collecting system. Good deeds gives you more points.
Anyway, how can you say karma is wrong?
Karma is for Hinduism. You cannot relate it with Islam because we worship different God...Islam's God is Allah. |
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Originally posted by eastrun at 7-7-2006 09:42 PM
Karma is for Hinduism. You cannot relate it with Islam because we worship different God...Islam's God is Allah.
karma and pahala is the same thing. Kennkid wants to call it merit and i call it point-system. The way muslims talk about pahala, as if pahala is some sort of unit, where you collect them .. for example read below..
"Apakah yang harus aku catit?" Kata malaikat di sebelah kanan, "Jangan kamu catit dahulu dosanya sehingga ia melakukan 5 kesalahan." Malaikat yang di kiri bertanya lagi, "Kalau ia telah melakukan 5 kesalahan, apa yang harus aku catitkan?" Jawab malaikat kanan, "Biarkannya,sehingga ia membuat kebaikan kerana kami telah diberitahu oleh Allah s.w.t bahawa satu kebaikan akan mendapat 10 pahala.
i know arabians call the supreame deity,Ar-Rahman as The God, in arabic Allah. The hindus call the supreame deity as Brahman. Sounds very close to the Arabian's god Rahman isn't it? I think Ar-Rahman is corrupted version of Brahman. You don't have to agree 
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 7-7-2006 11:31 PM
Biarkannya,sehingga ia membuat kebaikan kerana kami telah diberitahu oleh Allah s.w.t bahawa satu kebaikan akan mendapat 10 pahala.
This what I trying to explained to muslims that pahala is same like rewards redemption similar to bonuslink reward redemption. the more points u collect the more the rewards. so, I only shop any outlets has bonuslink points redemption .
Finally my points increased to 35,000 after I gets my rewards. With that kind of points 35,000 I redeem expensive watch which cost rm 400 and I got it for free from the redemption points.
that's why the arabs came with systems of point redemption like pahala so that muslims will performs their duty as muslims so that they can redemp more points which know as pahala. I personally feel this kind of things is not sincere because to me I do not expect anything like rewards or points redemption if I want to be good Christian. I do it sincere heart because my Love to true God and Bible.
Actually all those pahala is made up stories by arabs to fool others .
As we are now in cyber world and peoples are now more educated, we do not easily get fooled with pahala crap things. May be 100 yrs back yeslah because most of them during that time not well verse in studying or could not read and write.
Now days , peoples are smart and they can differentiate the bull shit and genuine .
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Originally posted by Truth.8 at 8-7-2006 12:45 AM
This what I trying to explained to muslims that pahala is same like rewards redemption similar to bonuslink reward redemption. the more points u collect the more the rewards. so, I only ...
yeap no sincerity at all if they aspect reward/pahala for good things they do.
Some even wait until people are around then only help others.. when they could have done it without anyone knowing.
people must help others without aspecting any returns.
thats why i love bible stories like the Good Samaritans.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 8-7-2006 03:05 AM
yeap no sincerity at all if they aspect reward/pahala for good things they do.
Some even wait until people are around then only help others.. when they could have done it without anyone kno ...
Only God knows whether you are sincere or not. Look at the threat posted by somebody "Joshua helps a Muslim family". In the thread got a guy/ lady 'mengungkit' kebaikan orang Kristian..and tried to say those mosques were built by thier money. Is that what you call sincere. Even though you don't believe in pahala, but still you cannot act sincere, then what is the difference?.
Like I told you all before..pahala is to motivate people to do good deeds. But the reward will only be given during the Judgement Day. Hopefully this will clarify you all.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 7-7-2006 11:54 AM
Simple, agree or not, both are point collecting system. Good deeds gives you more points.
Anyway, how can you say karma is wrong?
What is the problem if the collecting mechanism helping someone to be better?.Yes good deeds will give you more pahala, and destruct you sins.I don't think it is a problem. Only you and T8 tried to menyemakkan kepala.
O Allah please clarify them. Amin :pray: |
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 7-7-2006 11:31 PM
karma and pahala is the same thing. Kennkid wants to call it merit and i call it point-system. The way muslims talk about pahala, as if pahala is some sort of unit, where you collect them .. f ...
Before you make commentary about Allah's names, feel free to read Islamic books related with Asma ul Husna. Then, you will understand.Don't simply cut and paste. |
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if u want sincerity, why did u ask for salary in the end of month after u work everyday?
that's the norms of all human..
they did things with hope that they also get what they give...
pahala is not only given in judgement day.
sometimes God give it in this world
for example, if we like to donate our money for the one in needs, God will help us to get more 'rezeki' |
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Originally posted by eastrun at 8-7-2006 08:34 AM
Like I told you all before..pahala is to motivate people to do good deeds. But the reward will only be given during the Judgement Day. Hopefully this will clarify you all.
Tricking people to do the things that the arbians wanted is NOT GOOD.
reward in judgement day is only a meme.. an idea.. not a shread of evident is available for the claim of Judgement Day.
Many muslim think that doing good will get you pahala which will cancel your dosa. Such idea actually encourages people to do bad thing because they think the dosa can be cleared by some pahala.
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Originally posted by eastrun at 8-7-2006 08:40 AM
Before you make commentary about Allah's names, feel free to read Islamic books related with Asma ul Husna. Then, you will understand.Don't simply cut and paste.
who is this Asma? are you promoting her books here? If you have any points then bring 'em on.
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 8-7-2006 04:06 PM
who is this Asma? are you promoting her books here? If you have any points then bring 'em on.
 lol:lol
u make jokes here?
asma ul husna is a collection of Allah's names
99 of them..
not some writer dude....
u make a very good, honest jokes... |
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