Precious Metals - Gold, Silver etc.

lostnfaun · Post time 11-12-2010 12:02 AM

aku simpan jer silver bar tu...

coz.. i'm looking at big picture...

big picture... jangkaa ...
pengecatbintang Post at 10-12-2010 19:11

bleh bt duit jer dgn raw silver atau silver bar nie?

pengecatbintang · Post time 11-12-2010 12:41 AM

skrg saya dah faham...
terima kasih

tp ada lg saya nak tanya...
jadinya selain maybank ...
Pr|nCeSS^M|cKeY Post at 10-12-2010 23:35

selain Maybank... United Oversea Bank (UOB) ada jual syiling emas purity 99.99 cthnya Gold Maple Leaf n Australian Nugget...
spread rege lebih kecil iaitu 2 - 3% vs Kijang 4 - 6%
kalo nak beli Kijang Emas n syiling dr UOB... beli dalam unit 1 oz... spread rege paling kecil..
Rege Bank jual Kijang Emas 1 Oz Julai 2001 RM1,082
hari ni kalo kita jual balik dapat RM4,440
so... purata pulangan setiap tahun selama 10 tahun 31%
syiling ni pajak gadai bank tak terima tau..
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kalo nak beli bar lak... mungkin bole gadai...
tp spread rege tinggi...
saya rekomen beli syiling

pengecatbintang · Post time 11-12-2010 01:05 AM

Post Last Edit by pengecatbintang at 11-12-2010 01:13

wahh,,,klu btl prediction ko harga emas dgn silver akan naik jgk x? mesti naik jgk kn???

ad ...
lostnfaun Post at 10-12-2010 23:59

harga emas naik krn dunia tak yakin ngan US Dollar...

matawang lain dlm dunia ada yg peg to US Dollar mcm Yuan... international trading dlm US Dollar

US Dollar aka fiat money world reserve

kuasa membeli currencies (fiat money) makin kurang aka inflasi naik...

pelabur n saver yg nak preserve wealth (kuasa membeli), beli sesuatu yg ada nilai intrinsic

(jgn tanya apa tu instrinsic... aku tak tau nak explain) he he

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antara sebab berlaku krisis subprima di US tahun 2007 or 2008 kot... (yg timbulkan panik satu dunia selama berbulan2)

krn rakyat US yg tak mampu tapi beli gak real estate kat US...

bila rege Crude Oil naik... kos pengangkutan n barang kat US naik...

so... duit depa tak cukup bayar umah...

berlaku tunggakan bayaran umah skala besar2 an...

bank kmdian problem...

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so... bila crude oil naik balik... apa akan jadi kat ekonomi US, Europe, kat ekonomi Mesia n dunia

bila ekonomi teruk... rating bond depa jatuh... maka kos utk jual bond gov naik..

sapa nak beli kalo negara tu teruk ratingnya..

maka gomen tak dapat jana fund dr jualan bond... kalo gov tak dak duit... huru hara lah negara

maka nilai matawang depa akan turun...

wang fiat nak lari ke mana lagi... Gold n Silver lah...

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la ni bukan masa utk spending... ini masanya utk prudent or thrifty (betul ke ejaan ni?... he he)

ini masanya utk labur dlm precious metal....

InsyaAllah masanya akan tiba utk kita pungut hasil dr investment kita ni... peh tu wat rete... beli tanah... real estate...

boli keto best2... he he..

la ni kena downgrade idup... idup simple jer... nafsu tu tahan skett... muka kena tebal... orang kutuk pun wat pekak jer

free yourself from debt... aku ada utang RM13 k jer..

haiii... bestnya idup kalo takde utang ni...

pengecatbintang · Post time 11-12-2010 01:18 AM

Post Last Edit by pengecatbintang at 11-12-2010 01:38

bleh bt duit jer dgn raw silver atau silver bar nie?
lostnfaun Post at 11-12-2010 00:02

Gold n Silver are true money...

jika US Dollar collapse... sementara nak gantikan Global Monetary System kpd yg baru...

kemungkinan besar rege Gold n Silver akan naik tremendously

1 bulan lepas kot... Robert Zoelick, Presiden Bank Dunia kata...
need to involve the dollar, the euro, the yen, the pound and (a yuan) that moves toward internationalization and then an open capital account.

"The system should also consider employing gold as an international reference point of market expectations about inflation, deflation and future currency values,"
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6A70D720101108
mesti baca

chayuk · Post time 11-12-2010 10:05 AM

aku baca byk suggestion utk beli silver start masa 2007/2008. masa tu harga belas2 dollar je per oz. Skg sapa yg ikot suggestion tu...harga dah cecah $28/oz.
InsyaAllah belum terlambat lg.

Satu je ingatan utk kita: Precious metal ni (Gold, Silver) adalah satu bentuk saving.
Jgn harap nak kaya cepat, nak untung cepat2 lepas beli...bila harga turun sikit terus panic.
Klu ASB pun kena tunggu setahun baru boleh dpat 7.5% tu.
Precious metal pun sama gak, makan lama peram makin untung.
Aku byk share dgn kawan2 pasal precious metal ni...tapi rata2 soalan pertama yg akan kuar dari mulut diorang " berapa byk aku boleh untung & berapa lama MINIMUM aku kn simpan? SEBULAN ? 2 BULAN????...adoyaiii...

lostnfaun · Post time 11-12-2010 12:14 PM

aku baca byk suggestion utk beli silver start masa 2007/2008. masa tu harga belas2 dollar je per oz. ...
chayuk Post at 11-12-2010 10:05

ko bt aku rs nk cepat2 beli n beli byk2 silver nie...hehe...silver bar atau coin yg paling kecik bape berat n harga die ek?

aku igt nk try kumpul skit2 tiap2 bln...

MrFed · Post time 11-12-2010 12:18 PM

tertarik plak saya yg newbie ni dalam bidang pelaburan gold silver ni, masalahnya saya tak berpengalaman dan tak tahu dimana nak mula, klo boleh rezeki yg tak seberapa ni saya buat pelaburan yg paling berkesan,

klo boleh, beri lah saya sedikit hint dimana patut saya mula

chayuk · Post time 11-12-2010 12:30 PM

ko bt aku rs nk cepat2 beli n beli byk2 silver nie...hehe...silver bar atau coin yg paling kecik ...
lostnfaun Post at 11-12-2010 12:14

hehee relak bro, klu coins international minted ni biasanya ada 1/2oz, 1oz, 2oz..even kilo pun ada.
makin kecik berat makin mahal premiumnya..maknanya harga purata per oz lebih mahal.
aku kumpul 1oz je, murah sket. Cth 1oz Kooka org jual skg dlm RM130. Surely akan naik lepas ni sebab aku perhati byk yg jual stok lama (which is diorang dah enjoy kenaikan harga).
Aku rasa pasni org akan jual dlm RM140-RM150 sekeping, sebab mcm tak logik klu diorang amik untung setakat RM4-5 sekepingkan. So klu ada offer Kooka/Koala 1oz dlm RM130 tu ko sebat je cepat,
klu aku belikan kat sini pun camtu la range harga dia...ko ble tgk kat website tu.

klu kat msia ko boleh cari Dirham kelantan, Dirham Muslim etc...cuba riki2 kat blog aku cakap tu.

chayuk · Post time 11-12-2010 12:38 PM

tertarik plak saya yg newbie ni dalam bidang pelaburan gold silver ni, masalahnya saya tak berpengal ...
MrFed Post at 11-12-2010 12:18

Cadangan aku, mulakan dgn menukar sebahagian simpanan cash anda ke bentuk Gold/silver.
Tp jgn lak beli kat PokKong lak...kedai emas jual mahal wooo
Cuba selak2 sikit 2-3 page ni ble jumpa la apa yg sesuai nak beli
bank mana ada jual etc...

lostnfaun · Post time 11-12-2010 12:55 PM

tertarik plak saya yg newbie ni dalam bidang pelaburan gold silver ni, masalahnya saya tak berpengal ...
MrFed Post at 11-12-2010 12:18

1) awk bermula dengan baca info psl emas n silver skit2, cth info emas 916,999 & silver

2) pastu membeli emas atau silver secara kecil-kecilan plak (bg newbie jgn terlalu xcited sgt nk beli emas/silver takut kne tipu nnti, tnya org atau forumer2 dlm nie byk yg diorg bleh share)

pengecatbintang · Post time 11-12-2010 12:57 PM

aku baca byk suggestion utk beli silver start masa 2007/2008. masa tu harga belas2 dollar je per oz. ...

Jgn harap nak kaya cepat, nak untung cepat2 lepas beli...bila harga turun sikit terus panic.

chayuk Post at 11-12-2010 10:05

bila rege jatuh... pelabur cepat panic... mgkn depa labur krn orang lain labur... ter ikut2

kita labur krn fundamental atau asas kpd item ygt kita labur tu...

baru lah tak cepat panic...

kat opis aku ni... ada 200 lebih orang... se tau aku..

kurang 5 orang labur dalam gold (depa labur pun krn runner unit trust depa yang rekemen n tolong wat kan)

... n hanya aku sorang labur dalam silver...

we must have our own principles... dare to stand alone in the middle of storm.. when crowd step aside...

betui ka... aku tulih omputih ni...

tunggang langgang n tak betui pun..

ha ha

lostnfaun · Post time 11-12-2010 01:38 PM

hehee relak bro, klu coins international minted ni biasanya ada 1/2oz, 1oz, 2oz..even kilo pun a ...
chayuk Post at 11-12-2010 12:30

klu harga die dlm 140-150 bleh la kumpul 2 bln skali...dlu aku dok target emas jer bl bc info kt cni psl silver plak br aku nmpk skit..better grab harga silver tgh rendah skang b4 die naik...

DarkBaron · Post time 11-12-2010 08:36 PM

gold ngan silver ni heavily manipulated. just imagine that financial institutions around the globe sell gold and silver paper products which contribute to the spot price of each precious metal. Wallahualam whether these paper products are backed by physical or not.

Take an example of bank runs. It has happened in our lifetime. like the one in the uk and ireland, argentina etc. Banks practiced fractional reserve banking. They only need to hold a certain percentage of depositors money and the rest is loaned out. So when bank runs occur, the banks do not have the money to give back to their depositors, akhirnya collapse or govt have to prop them up.

So using this 'fractional reserve banking' concept on precious metals...if there comes upon a time when people lose fate in fiat money and demand physical silver and gold for their paper silver and gold...a run on physical metals will occur. Dorang yang nasib baik beratur dulu or rush to exchange their paper for physical will be the lucky ones..yang lambat lambat will just end up with pieces of worthless paper..and by this time...surely the physical metal value will have a huge jump in its corresponding fiat money value.

So to prevent this..better buy physical and hang on to it..

DarkBaron · Post time 11-12-2010 09:38 PM

Post Last Edit by DarkBaron at 11-12-2010 22:00

After a few hours of thinking..i have decided to start a service supplying world renowned silver bars and coins to fellow forummers in malaysia. The benchmark price will be Public gold daily silver price.

If you have any questions or suggestions boleh pm saya. For postal service i was intending to use poslaju. Anyone has any better alternatives?

chayuk · Post time 16-12-2010 10:26 AM

After a few hours of thinking..i have decided to start a service supplying world renowned silver bar ...
DarkBaron Post at 11-12-2010 21:38

wah klu follow harga public Gold kira berpatutan tu.
citer sket jenis apa yg ada? quote rega skali.
PM pun ok

tp klu coins international xble folow PG kot
sebab diorang takde coins

220796 · Post time 16-12-2010 11:40 AM

sape penah beli jewellery dari public jewellery? now musim org dpt bonus kan.....babang jnji nak allocate some amount for me to buy gold (jewellery), dia xkan bg cash....if more that the budget dia ckp topup sndiri

.....hehehe!

DarkBaron · Post time 17-12-2010 01:40 AM

saya kat singapore. kerana saya ni selalu masuk jb dan ada some bank accts and property/investments, saya cadang untuk supply international silver products to malaysia seeing that theres a lack of retailers in these niche sector in malaysia. The big player locally for silver in Malaysia is public gold. Walaupon public gold ni local player tapi spread nye tinggi.

Saya berhajat untuk introduce international silver products yang boleh compete ngan public gold nye silver products. Reason saya adalah international products are trusted internationally for example brand macam american eagles, canadian maples, silvertowne, pan am, amark, perth mint.

kerana public gold uses a denomination of 250g, 500g, 1kg saya cadang untuk set price at ringgit per gram. international medium of weight for silver is troy ounce. jadi saya nak fix 1 troy ounce to 31.1 g. jadi bila kita calculate price of 1 troy ounce, we just multiply the value in ringgit/gram to 31.1grams.

saya cadang untuk use public gold silver nye daily price in grams to set a benchmark.

Saya will not hold stocks if possible.

Harga jualan saya, tidak boleh menentu ikut pasaran silver dan juga supply yang saya boleh dapat. harga jualan juga beza between different products and denominations. for example, silver coins lagi mahal per gram dari silver bars kerana silver coins ada collectors' value. Certificates of Authencity saya tak boleh confirm saya boleh dapat tapi saya boleh janji its from reliable sources and i get from them myself for my own collection.

saya currently can get 1kg perth mint silver bars at RM 4000. public gold silver 1kg nye price which is RM3811 . Postage saya will absorb using poslaju seeing that harga nye boleh tahan.

If awak interested in another silver products such as from other brands, do tell me and i will scout around and quote you a figure.

lets see how things go by the first transaction.

Saya am open to cadangan and ideas from fellow forummers. Kalau sapa sapa interested feel free to pm me. I will be heading into jb tentative this sunday. So if any forummers berhajat, kita lock price mutually, and i check that the amt is in my AmBank acct. I purchase the product. i can post it to you when i go into jb this weekend.