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RM6 bilion untuk kapal peronda baru TLDM - sebijik kapal 1 Billion...?
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Dzirhan Mahadzir Rebutted Tony Pua claims
DAP’s Petaling Jaya Utara parliamentarian Tony Pua was making unreasonable comparisons when he claimed that the Defence Ministry is going to pay up to 8.7 times more for the warships it is proposing of buying, said a defence analyst.
According to Dzirhan Mahadzir, correspondent for noted defence magazine Jane’s Defence Weekly, this is because the specifications of the vessels mentioned by Pua vary.
“Some warships he compared are less in tonnage and size than the (vessels proposed for purchase)…so it is like comparing a Mini Cooper to a four-wheel drive in price,” he said in a lengthy commentary on his Facebook page.
It is also very difficult to make comparisons by dividing price by tonnage as even similar sized ships can come in very different specifications, he said (see chart below).
“Even if (the ships) are similar in size, the type of equipment they mount such as weapons, electronics, engines … and their design, along with construction material … make substantial differences in price.”
Dzirhan, who is also published in academic journals and had lectured at the Royal Military College, said that the time the ships were ordered also plays a significant role in determining price.
For example, he pointed out, the contract for the Israel Saar V (right) offshore patrol vessel (OPV) mentioned by Pua in his press statement yesterday was made in the early 1980s.
Nevertheless, the ship which cost US$260 million (RM791 million) is about RM200 million cheaper than the RM1 billion budgeted by the Defence Ministry for each OPV, and which has similar specifications.
Both have anti-air and anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine weapons and a helicopter hangar and helipad.
“Finally, a contract for a ship is not just for the ship but also for maintenance, support, training and delivery,” he said, noting that negotiations could bring down the cost of these aspects.
The analyst also said Pua’s comparison to the US Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) is also wrong because the function is completely different to that of the OPV.
While the vessel was budgeted to be built at a price of US$300 million (RM913 million), the final cost was US$637 million (RM1.93 billion) and US$704 million (RM2.14 billion) for each of the two different designs purchased, he said.
‘Common practice’
On Pua’s contention that the Defence Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi is announcing the budget of RM6 billion for six warships before the price has been finalised, Dzirhan said this is a common practice.
“The problem is Pua (left) confuses a letter of intent…and OPV announcement as an actual contract. A potential value is announced by the government in a letter of intent for various reasons.
“However, it often is not the actual value when the contract occurs, particularly in regard to complex arms purchases.”
Previously, one of the most common complaints of defence companies was that Malaysian government often would not provide indications of how much a potential deal is worth, said Dzirhan.
“(This) made it hard for companies to justify their efforts to shareholders and investors and also obtain financial backing,” he added.
Source: www.malaysiakini.com |
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jofizo Post at 10-2-2011 10:21 
Argument yang diberi oleh Dzirhan dalam pertahankan isu ini adalah yang terbaik. Ni nak tambah seperkara lagi. Perbandingan dengan NZ Navy paling tak bertanggungjawab sebab threat terhadap kedaulatan NZ hampir tiada. Walaupun Australia jiran terdekat NZ mempunyai kekuatan ketenteraan yang cukup untuk menawan NZ, tetapi NZ tidak risau, malahan telahpun memansuhkan AF kerana berpendapat bahawa kawasan lingkungan Aussie AF cukup untuk mengawal ruang udara NZ. Ni hasil kerjasama antara kedua2 negara semenjak Perang Dunia Pertama di Galipoli dalam kontingen ANZAC.
Malaysia pula menghadapi beberapa short-term and long term threat dari segi sovereign rights. Dengan beberapa potential hot zones melibatkan pertelingkahan sempadan, hampir semuanya berkaitan dengan maritime borders, kita memang memerlukan TLDM yang berkeupayaan tinggi.
Isu penyerahan kapal peronda TLDM kepada APPM bukan isu, dan bukan silap TLDM sebab penyerahan tersebut dilakukan dengan jangkaan kerajaan akan menggantikan kapal2 tersebut dengan kapal baru. Akibat keadaan ekonomi meruncing maka pembelian baru ditangguh. Keadaan ini diburukkan beberapa isu, iaitu isu PSC Naval Dockyard yang diterajui oleh Amin Shah waktu tersebut dan juga kehilangan kapal KD Inderapura.
Diplomasi memang cara terbaik menghadapi konflik, tetapi dalam situasi yang tertentu diplomasi datang dari muncung senjata. Ancaman tak langsung yang dihadapi Malaysia hari ini datang dari hampir kesemua jiran tetangganya; Thailand, Indonesia, China, Vietnam dan Australia.
Analisis akan disambung selepas saya kembali dari ke stesen bas. |
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Reply 142# mysara
aku sokong....KESIMPULANNYA>>>.......(usha avatar tuu jer)  |
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kategori geng2 dalam thread ni:
1) Geng pembangkang yang cakap kerajaan banyak makan duit beli senjata dengan harga overpaid.
2) Geng kerajaan yang kutuk pembangkang (terutamanya tony phua) sbb besarkan issue ni.
3) Geng military nut yang kutuk tony phua sbb wat kluar statement bodoh.
4) Geng military nut pro kerajaan.
5) Geng military nut pro pembangkang.
6) Geng yang tak tau ape2 pasal politik tp nak menyampuk
7) Geng yang tak tau ape2 pasal military tp nak menyampuk
ade lagi tak???? |
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kategori geng2 dalam thread ni:
1) Geng pembangkang yang cakap kerajaan banyak makan duit beli se ...
artificialster Post at 10-2-2011 13:46 
geng neutral takde ke?  |
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pasolatido Post at 10-2-2011 13:34 |
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Analisis akan disambung selepas saya kembali dari ke stesen bas.
dan509 Post at 10-2-2011 13:20 
curlastttttttt kaww neh  |
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5) Geng military nut pro pembangkang. |
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Reply 448# d'zeck
Tony puaka tak lebih menyalak bagi tuan di tanah selatan....woof.....wofff..... |
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kita tengok jerlah kat negara2 maju tuh yg percaya pada ketelusan, gomen ke presiden ke nak mintak duit untuk apa2 projek atau perbelanjaan terpaksa bertegang urat dgn parlimen atau kongres...
terpaksa bentang bincang bentang bincang secara terbuka kedian undi sama ada lulus atau tidak...
petola Post at 10-2-2011 11:45 
negara maju yang mana?...... |
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kenalah ketatkan sikit syarat tuh supaya tak rugi kalau apa2 jadi
ini banyaknya kontraktor dapat duit projek tak siap gomen kena tanggung semua
lagi2 kalau matlamat projek tu ialah kerana nak hidupkan kontraktor dan vendor... rugi ka hapa ka duit keluar gak sebab tak mau org gulung tikar...
tengok ajerlah pkfz tuh... hari ni saman lpk kat kuala dimensi kena tendang sebab perjanjian dah kata memang lpk kena bayar interest
lpk kata interest dah masuk dlm kos...
tak pasal2 gomen rabak ratus2 juta bayar interest jer...
kerja2 tak semenggah macam ni lah yg biasa sgt terjadi kat gomen umno nih...
petola Post at 7-2-2011 22:39 
mm nk share sikit pengalaman.... maslahnya kes wat kapal b4 ni kontraktor yg x dibayar... barang kontraktor dh supply....tp duit xdpt... berbulan2 xdpt gaji pun ada ... |
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tun perak bendahara melaka dulu pernah lah guna muslihat semasa menentang tentera siam unc ...
anya8797 Post at 10-2-2011 16:06
alahhh bukan nak kena jadik genius pun nak fikir taktik nyalakan api tu |
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Reply 473# anya8797
Skrg tak leh pakai tactic ni lagi. Ada NVG & thermal imaging. |
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tun perak bendahara melaka dulu pernah lah guna muslihat semasa menentang tentera siam unc ...
anya8797 Post at 10-2-2011 16:06
mana tau ni?ada kat tempat kejadian ke? |
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Reply anya8797
Skrg tak leh pakai tactic ni lagi. Ada NVG & thermal imaging.
dan509 Post at 10-2-2011 16:28
itu tahun 1446, dan.... takde thermal thermal imaging ni de.... |
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sapo lah... antu kom kom nih agaknya.....
brilliant lah tu... tentera siam bought it ...
anya8797 Post at 10-2-2011 16:31
lama sebelum tu pun dah banyak tentera lain buat taktik nyala api tu. zaman sebelum terjadi perjanjian hudaibiyah pun ada pakai gak. |
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mana tau ni?ada kat tempat kejadian ke?
rabun_it Post at 10-2-2011 16:32
anya ni bukannya nenek kebayan puteri gunung ledang dari tahun 1446 sampai tahun 2011 pandai berforum segala rabun.... |
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Post time 10-2-2011 01:01 PM
mungkin nik aziz and the geng boleh ikut cara tahun 1446 nih....
