Somthing to confirm (2)

TAMAM

it seems that your god does not even know about egg and sperm.. What does he know?? Ahhh I am so gratefull my Allah knows everything.. hantar pegi sekolah lah weiiiii

Debmey

Since the Quran does not say anything about egg at all, surely your allah is not divine.

Not only that, since your quran does not say anything about a whoiel lot of things, surely then acoording to your logic, allah does not know those too. So how can allah be God according to your logic?

TAMAM

as I mention to you.. sameone who want to really understand the content of Al Quran.. he needs to learn alot of things and knowledge for a quite long duration (usually).. how do you know that Quran did not say about egg at all?? who are you? are you truly mastered The Al-Quran?? same old debmey.. you just able to give assumption and create argument... when you talk about something, please give us also the proof... don't worry.. when u try to show me the proof, I will analyze it as detail as possible... not like you who will not accept any of your opponent proof and talk like a TIN KOSONG...

Debmey

Where in the Quran does it say anything about the egg in female?

The Quran in many verses I have shown however kept repeating the old mistake of conception w/o fusion of sperm and egg.

TAMAM

why do  I need to prove it to you?? kalau aku bagi pun bukannya kau nak bace or analyze it.. buang karan je..

i212

Hmmm... actually I want to ask about OT and NT. but suddenly become like this.

ok.. i answer one thing.

Since the Quran does not say anything about egg at all, surely your allah is not divine.

Not only that, since your quran does not say anything about a whoiel lot of things, surely then acoording to your logic, allah does not know those too. So how can allah be God according to your logic?

God give you mind to think.
Thats mean you need to think.
God will not give you all because He want you to think.

Allah give some of the knowledge just to show He existed.
If Allah give us all the knowledge, then there is no use to us to have Brain.


Purpose for this thread are about OT and NT.
If you want to talk about Quran. Open new thread please.
So.. please answer about OT and NT only here.

Debmey

already answered, just follow the thread please

i212

have another question

Originally posted by Debmey at 18-10-2006 05:00 PM
OT was written about 400 before Jesus came.
NT was written after Jesus resurrected.

You mean you didn't know?

NT written by who and how they gather the content?

Debmey

didn't you follow the thread?
why do you ask something that has already been answered?

i212

by debmey
didn't you follow the thread?
why do you ask something that has already been answered?

Do you mean this one?
God thru his servants.

Ok.... Who the servant?
Is that servent of Jesus or servant of God?

Debmey

the link says it all, didn't you click on the link provided?

i212

Ok.. just found it...

Erm... but why there are contradiction by two servant?

[ Last edited by  i212 at 19-10-2006 12:00 PM ]

i212

Wa... alot of author....

Personal writers....
Dangeroussss................

i212

Soooo....... the author is people.
How to confirm it is Word of God where there is no Other people that write it with them?
Its like Hadith.....

[ Last edited by  i212 at 19-10-2006 12:08 PM ]

Debmey

Its actually a perfect system to convey the word of God.
You have 40 people with different backgrounds over 1400 years writing and pointing to the same thing. How can it not be divine?

Contrats that with Quran, there is absolutely no evidence to show that Mo actually narrated the Quran, es[peciallyw hen he did not even see the need to record it. And there is nothing to back up what Muhamaed said. so how can you tell if the Quran came from God?

i212

Quran are from recitation.
Writing are on individual are self iniciative.

When Al-Quran being Compiled,
Abu Bakar ask Zaid to gather all Scholars and people who have recite Quran everyday.
Even they know the verse, they still want to hear from others. They want to confirm what they here are herd by others also.
Thats mean all the verse are purely re-write. With secure supervision.


Like NT, The author are personally write what he wrote.
They write it without supervision and without others confirmation.
Who know what that person write are the pure one.
Who know that the verse written are from God not by his ASSUMPTION or IDEA?

we believe in injil....we believe in Isa a.s NOT BIBLE...Isa a.s got injil from Allah...not the bible...there in aa secret in islamic teaching which is u can't imagine instead utry to understand it.Now if u said Quran has contradictions, bible has very2 lot2 of contradictions....the meaning  is so differ from others but reffer to the same event.

Isa only recevied a spirit of God(Allah) which is the person who has a responsiblity to spread the injil teaching...just as a messenger of Allah words...This is reffering to what Isa said in "Yahya", Phase 17:3"...Supaya mereka itu mengenal Engkau, Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan Benar, dan Isa Al-Masih yang telah engkau utuskan itu.".....

If you said Isa and God is one,you should open "Markus" phase 13:31 and 32..." Sesungguhnya langit dan bumi akan lenyap, tetapi perkataanKu kekal.Tetapi harinya atau ketikanya itu tiada diketahui oleh seorang jua pun, baik segala Malaikat yang dilangit ataupun Anak itupun tidak, hanyalah Bapa sahaja.

This is the same as quran Saba':3 " Dan orang-orang yang kafir berkata:" Hari kiamat itu tidak akan datang kepada kami". Katakanlah (wahai Muhammad): "Bahkan (tetap datang). Demi Tuhanku yang mengetahui segala perkara yang ghaib, hari kiamat itu sesungguhnya akan datang kepada kamu". Tiada tersembunyi dari pengetahuanNya barang seberat debu yang ada di langit atau di bumi, dan tidak ada yang lebih kecil dari itu atau yang lebih besar melainkan semuanya tertulis di dalam Kitab yang terang nyata".

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Debmey

Originally posted by i212 at 19-10-2006 12:44 PM
Quran are from recitation.
Writing are on individual are self iniciative.
E ...

Are the reciters independent of the written script? If they are not, how can one verify the other?

When Al-Quran being Compiled,
Abu Bakar ask Zaid to gather all Scholars and people who have recite Quran everyday.
Even they know the verse, they still want to hear from others. They want to confirm what they here are herd by others also.
Thats mean all the verse are purely re-write. With secure supervision.

Wrong. There is absolutely no evidence of such things, only claims from muslims.

Like NT, The author are personally write what he wrote.
They write it without supervision and without others confirmation.
Who know what that person write are the pure one.
Who know that the verse written are from God not by his ASSUMPTION or IDEA?  

Actually they do. The various books actually affirm each other. The theme and doctrine is consistent, thats how we know they are the word of God.

i212

by Debmey
Are the reciters independent of the written script? If they are not, how can one verify the other?

All the verse that recited herd from multiple people.. Not for individual people.

by Debmey
Wrong. There is absolutely no evidence of such things, only claims from muslims.

Did you read History?
this is not my assumption bebeh.

by Debmey
Actually they do. The various books actually affirm each other. The theme and doctrine is consistent, thats how we know they are the word of God.

Is Matthew disscuss with Luke and John and Paul before they writing something. or it just your new assumption.?

Debmey

Originally posted by i212 at 19-10-2006 01:10 PM

All the verse that recited herd from multiple people.. Not for individual people.

Are any of them independent of the written word?

Did you read History?
this is not my assumption bebeh.

I only read historical claims, not see any evidence to back up any of those claims.

Is Matthew disscuss with Luke and John and Paul before they writing something. or it just your new assumption.?

They don't. Thats why they are independent.