Great Age of Pirates 1700-1900.. History Revealed

unekspekted

there are 80's frigates operates in the straits of malacca to fight the 'pirate'..

cari kapal2 yg bernama:

- Pluto
- Semarang
- San Speur
- Oklahoma

ntah.. lupe plak name dia ape.. nanti aku kasi

winamp05

Macam mana nak pastikan kesahihan novel tu betul dari cerita lisan dan betul dari sejarah yang betul ? kita pin tahu, kalau dah dinovelkan mestilah ada bahagian yang ditokok tambah atau diubah untuk menambahkan kesedapan carita.

TheGreatMister

memang novel dalam Reply 31# TheGreatMister tu tak dapat dipastikan kesahihan dia.. tapi yang saya tekankan kat situ, cuma mentaliti orang barat masa zaman tu. bila die cakap pasal Malays, diorang akan terbayang kaum dan bangsa yang sangat terrible seperti yang cerita dalam novel tu, selain dari reply 31# tu bukan novel, tapi keratan akhbar.

sory la sapa2 yang salah paham..

cmf_WonBin

Hidup Tok Guru Nik Aziz...


Sejarah Lanun di Nusantara

Keturunan Nik di Patanni dan Kelantan dikaitkan dengan keturunan Fakeh Ali, iaitu seorang anak Raja Bugis drpd Sulawesi yang kemudiannya menjadi Panglima Agong Patanni. Fakeh Ali merupakan ulamak, pedagang dan ahli politik. Beliaulah bertanggungjawab membawa masuk orang Bugis ke Patanni dan Kelantan. Fakeh Ali berkahwin dgn puteri Raja Kelantan pada masa itu, yang mengakibatkan hilangnya title Tengku dan digantikan dengan title Nik bagi keturunannya. Bugis ni memang kita tau bahawa mereka adalah lanun. Nak jadi cerita lagi, isteri Fakeh Ali ni pulak merupakan anak buah Che Siti Wan Kembang dan juga daripada keturunan Wali 7 (Saiyid Hussin Jamadil Qubra) dan anak buah kepada beberapa anggota Wali 9....

TheGreatMister

dalam reply #35 pulak, aku amek dari wikipedia tentang Alceste.

thessailly

Reply 39# TheGreatMister

i see...mungkin masih tak berubah sampai hari ni...

sayapghaib

Pejuang masa tu ada 2 jenis,
1. Berpangkalan atas kapal. (Yang ni penjajah susah nak kalahkan seba ...
TheGreatMister Post at 13-10-2010 17:39

    Tengku Kudin perang Selangor dengan Tengku Kudin the pirate ialah dua orang yg berbeza walaupun kedua-duanya berasal dari Kerabat yg sama.Telah menjadi kebiasaan sebutan di Kedah pada masa itu mana-mana orang yg mempunyai nama din dihujungnya dan bergelar Tengku atau Tunku akan dipanggil Kudin atau yg sebenarnya Ku Din(Tengku Din).Tengku Kudin the pirate atau nama sebenarnya kalau tak silap saya ,Tengku Syed Dhiauddin telah terkorban Syahid di dalam Kota Kuala Kedah akibat serangan dan kepungan Siam.Angkatan bantuan dari saudaranya iaitu Tengku Sulaiaman yg membawa bekalan makanan dan pejuang bantuan telah dibedil kapal Inggeris yg bersekongkol dengan Siam.

TheGreatMister

Reply 47# sayapghaib


    oo macam tu.. aku tak berapa baca lagi pasal utara.. thanks la ek membetulkan

Reply 46# thessailly

    aah, kalo bangsa melayu boleh ubah bende tu, baru kita boleh fluorish.

pawangBuaya

TT taknak sambung ke? uneks? tanak sambung ke dengan name kapal tu?

winamp05

TT senyap terus... thread ni best. harap boleh sambung lagi.

unekspekted_XII

thread lame "Untold History : Noble Piracy"

winamp05

Reply 51# unekspekted_XII


nak aku mergekan dengan thread ko ke ? dua dua criter pasal lanon. tapi yg ni bukan versi untold lar.....   

unekspekted_XII

Reply  unekspekted_XII


nak aku mergekan dengan thread ko ke ? dua dua criter pasal lanon. tapi ...
winamp05 Post at 28-4-2011 10:35

aku dah padam hahahahaha

FussyPussy

Kalau tengok Pirates of Carribean, satu watak tu nama dia Captain Barbossa kan? Based on my readings on articles and books on pirates, most likely Captain Barbossa ni seorang Muslim berbangsa Turki yang bekerja sebagai seorang "corsair" untuk France.

Corsair ni actually salah satu jenis pirate yang kita groupkan sebagai "privateers". Corsairs ni privateers, authorized to conduct raids on shipping of a nation at war with France, on behalf of the French Crown (masa France still ada King).

Corsair are considered legitimate combatants in France (and allied nations), dengan syarat Captain kapal ada surat Letter of Marque. Since dorang acting on behalf of the French Crown, kalau kena tangkap corsair boleh calim sebagai prisoners of war, dan bukannya pirates.

Kalau baca article oleh Cindy Vallar (one of leading authority on pirates), one well-known Barbary corsair was Khair ad-Din (also known as Barbarossa).  During the sixteenth century, he used Kucukada Kalesi, a fortress in Turkey, as his base of operations.

Pasal pirate Melayu pulak, Cindy Vallar tulis ni:

The Malay and Dayak pirates preyed on maritime shipping in the waters between Singapore and Hong Kong from their haven in Borneo.  The Balanini, based in Jolo, raided for slaves and preyed on Spanish vessels in the Philippines until the 1860’s when the British and Spanish navies eradicated the pirates.  Another popular haven was Sumatra, from which the Atjeh and Riau pirates attacked ships in the Sundra and Malaccan Straits.  Chui Apoo, a Chinese pirate of the nineteenth century, made his headquarters at Bias Bay, an area that continued to harbor pirates until the 1930’s.  Today, the largest concentration of pirates is found in Southeast Asia.  Many hide in the remote islands of Indonesia.

Lagi satu based on my reading, i found this:

The Illanun or Iranun are an ethnic group of Mindanao, Philippines and the west coast of Sabah, Malaysia, in 25 villages around the Kota Belud and Lahad Datu districts; also in Kudat and Likas, Kota Kinabalu. Their current population is estimated to be around 1,000,000-1,500,000 (2008 est).

For centuries, the Illanun were regarded as the fiercest pirates in the Malay world. It is thought that the Malay word for pirate, 'lanun', derives from the word Illanun. Originally from the area around Lake Lanao in southern Mindanao, Illanun colonies spread from Sumatra through the Sulu Archipelago, and the east coast of Borneo. Most Illanun are Muslim. Their language is part of the Austronesian family, and is most closely related to Maranao of the Philippines. Its ISO code is ISO 639-3 ill. Historically, the Iranun were given the exonym Illanun during the British colonial era.

tokapi

Kalau tengok Pirates of Carribean, satu watak tu nama dia Captain Barbossa kan? Based on my readings ...
FussyPussy Post at 28-4-2011 11:42

    cakap pasal Ilanun, teringat baru2 ni masa Perhimpunan Agung UMNO yang lepas ( RUJUK : http://ww2.utusan.com.my/utusan/special.asp?pr=umno2010&;pub=umno2010&pg=ucapan/ucapan_penggulungan_presiden.htm ), DS Najib ada cakap dia panggil Naib Presiden dia dengan panggilan Turki sorg, Jawa sorg, Lanun sorg..

Turki = Hishamuddin

Jawa = Zahid Hamidi

Lanun??
= Shafie Apdal (ahli Parlimen Semporna, Sabah)

Mungkinkah maksud DS Najib dgn Lanun itu sebenarnya Ilanun?

Tapi daripada wiki Shapie Apdal ( http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohd_Shafie_Apdal ) :

Biografi ringkas

Dilahirkan di Semporna, Sabah,Beliau berketurunan Bajau dari daerah Semporna. Dato'Seri Mohd Shafie memperoleh Diploma dalam Pengurusan dan dalam Perkapalan dari Kolej Perniagaan London, dan Ijazah Sarjana Muda dalam Ekonomi dengan Kepujian daripada Politeknik Staffordshire Utara (sejak 1992, Universiti Staffordshire) di England.

Lepas Google, aku jumpa ni ( http://borneoexperience.webs.com/thepeople.htm ) :

Brief History of the Bajau people

The Bajau people originated from the many islands of Southern Phillippines. In the old days, the Sulu Sultanate used to rule the Northern part of Borneo Island and so noblemen who carried the title of Datu were sent as the Sultan's representatives in various areas in the part that is now known as Sabah. One particularly famous Bajau Nobleman and Warrior was Datu Paduka Mat Salleh, who used to rule North-West of Sabah and based in Tambunan. He was believed to lead not only Bajau people but also evey ethnic in Northern Borneo until he was reported to be killed by the British for defying their occupation and launching serial attacks at Police Stations. The truth of the story was never known for sure as the body of Datu Paduka Mat Salleh was never found after a fierce battle in Ranau.

The descendants of those noblemen and their families who moved out from the Phillippines and settled in Sabah is now know as Bajau Darat or Land Bajau. Apart from the noble familes, they also brought in slaves to help them cultivate the land. Little is known about the slaves origin, but according to the Bajau elderly in Kota Belud the slaves were not from Phillippines. One story that has been passes down for generations is that they used to have slaves auctioned in the market before the practice was banned in the late 1890s. Afterwards, the slaves were freed and they eventually assimilate into the Bajau society and accepted as equals.

The Bajau used to build their houses near a rivermouth to ease them sailing back and forth to Phillippines to pay out tributes to the Sultan of Sulu.  However, constant attacks from Bajau Laut or the Sea Bajau had forced them to move further inland.

Bajau Laut comprises of few sub-ethnic groups like the Ubian or Obian, Kagayan, Binadan, Suluk Laut, Illanun, and Pala'au, among others. The Sea Bajaus are believed to be the descendants of the once notorious pirates of the Sulu and South China Sea. Even the name of one of the sub-ethnic i.e The Illanun suggests that suspicion as the word 'lanun' is the Malay word for 'pirate'. Hence, in the 1990s a local political figure and assembyman from that sub-ethnic had lobbied the government for a name change. Now, the name Illanun has been changed to Irranun to eliminate any link to their rumored dark past.

Nowadays, the Land Bajau and Sea Bajau are still distinguished by their traditional economic activities and general geographical distribution. While the Land Bajau which include sub ethnics of Sama, Sulu, Sama Dopo', and a few others depend on agricultural activities like planting padi and rearing livestock, their coastal cousins are mostly fishermen collecting any edible sea creature that they can get. Once a week, on Sunday mornings these 2 groups meet up to trade their harvests. In the old days, trades are done through bartering but now the practice is becoming extinct due to expanding usage of money and modern day needs.

sriwanis

herm juz nak bagi pendapat....dlm cite pirate keribean...chow yun fat tu patutnye melayu kan.."welcome to Singapore"...rasanyer time tu "lanun" melayu yg hebat masa tu..bukan cina...pendapat korang cam ne?org barat tak leh terima kekuatan org Islam ke??

pawangBuaya

Reply 56# sriwanis

dah name pun movie..
memang ikut ske dorang la nak buat ape pun..
bukan dorang kesah pun fakta ke ape..
yang penting duit masuk..
tu je..

unekspekted_XII

Pirate of Carimun (Caribbean)

alphawolf

Reply 57# pawangBuaya

Betoi...lagipun mana 'Singapore' masa tu......

thessailly

Reply 58# unekspekted_XII


   Dekat ngn Pontian tu..hahaha