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Truth.8 posted on 25-3-2013 11:35 AM 
what you mean by agnonatic???please provide more info???
it's agnostic. agnonatic aku tatau apekebende.
untuk penerangan yang simple bagi orang yang macam kau; agnostic : menerima wujudnya Pencipta tetapi menolak agama/jalan. 
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Truth.8 posted on 25-3-2013 11:36 AM
before calling others lies...take a mirror image yourself..
we not talking about spirit of trut ...
LOL!!!
Truth.8 dah mula kalah lepas tu nak panggil orang generation of viper ahahah
aku tak sebut pun pasal spirit of truth, aku sebut pasal Jesus sendiri cakap dia tak ajar sampai habis apa yang dia tau, malah dia kata Spirit of Truth akan ajar apa yang Jesus Christ tak ajar masa tu (tatau kenapa Jesus Christ tak ajar, yang penting, Jesus Christ tak perturunkan semua ilmu yang dia ada).
So, macam mana Truth.8 nak cakap dia amik way of life dari Jesus Christ, sedangkan Jesus Christ sendiri mengaku dia tak ajar kesemua ilmu yang dia tau? hehehehhehe... sila jawab ye, Truth.8... 
Btw, in your Bible, Jesus did not say that he is the way of life. The right quoted word was :
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)
When did Jesus Christ said he was the way of life? Don't be "ye generation of vipers" who twisted the words in the Bible... 
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Truth.8 posted on 25-3-2013 10:22 AM
We base on Last Messiah the Jesus....The way of life
like i said ,those books is not relevan ...
Truth.8:
We base on Last Messiah the Jesus....The way of life
like i said ,those books is not relevant to present time....it suit to during that time....is not applicable now...the new book call Bible is for all ....all should leave their faith and accept Jesus...
What is the way of life during Prophet Moses time?
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Truth.8 posted on 25-3-2013 10:19 AM
there babarians , corrupt, liars , doubled talk, religion but corrupt and etc
Jesus came to pre ...
Your response suggest that there was no way of life before Jesus. Does that mean all people before Jesus cannot obtain salvation?
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gunblade712 posted on 25-3-2013 04:07 PM
it's agnostic. agnonatic aku tatau apekebende.
untuk penerangan yang simple bagi orang yang ma ... untuk penerangan yang simple bagi orang yang macam kau; agnostic : menerima wujudnya Pencipta tetapi menolak agama/jalan. 
proor to the audiences that I have rejected HIS teachings
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mashimaru83 posted on 25-3-2013 06:33 PM
What is the way of life during Prophet Moses time? What is the way of life during Prophet Moses time?
than Jesus says "fullfiled the laws" meaning the laws of OT
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mashimaru83 posted on 25-3-2013 06:36 PM
Your response suggest that there was no way of life before Jesus. Does that mean all people befo ... Your response suggest that there was no way of life before Jesus. Does that mean all people before Jesus cannot obtain salvation?
thats not my business rather is GOD juridication to judged....most important one should sustained good life and keeping HIS words and leads to the way of life....than we will be bless and protected...
trust me, it work for me....despise my age and education...peopels surprise to see my achievement and still maintain my physical ....some could not believe my age...thats what i call blessing and observing HIS law, the way of life....
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Truth.8 posted on 25-3-2013 07:19 PM
10 commandments and food dietery ....i observed...
than Jesus says "fullfiled the laws" meaning ...
I cannot follow your argument. At first you said Jesus is the way of life because he said so in the Bible. But then when I asked how about Prophet Moses who didn't say the same words as Jesus? You said he is also considered the way of life (for him and people who is living at that time) because of the 10 commandments and food dietery.
Again you didn't fully answer the question. Why should a person take the Bible as the way of life? Taking it just because Jesus said so cannot be a complete answer because the way of life should have existed even before Jesus was born (example: previous Prophet is the way of life for people at that time).
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Truth.8 posted on 25-3-2013 07:27 PM
thats not my business rather is GOD juridication to judged....most important one should sustain ...
Truth.8:
thats not my business rather is GOD juridication to judged....most important one should sustained good life and keeping HIS words and leads to the way of life....than we will be bless and protected...
trust me, it work for me....despise my age and education...peopels surprise to see my achievement and still maintain my physical ....some could not believe my age...thats what i call blessing and observing HIS law, the way of life....
The way of life exist since human being was created. Saying Bible is the only way of life because Jesus said so cannot be a final deciding factor for people who are looking for the absolute way of life (consider atheists).
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mashimaru83 posted on 25-3-2013 08:09 PM
I cannot follow your argument. At first you said Jesus is the way of life because he said so in th ... I cannot follow your argument. At first you said Jesus is the way of life because he said so in the Bible. But then when I asked how about Prophet Moses who didn't say the same words as Jesus? You said he is also considered the way of life (for him and people who is living at that time) because of the 10 commandments and food dietery.
Yes, the Bible is way of life...does Moses observed the slauthering of animals like what muslims doing???10 commandment is good. dont ask silly question if you not bothered to read the 10 commandment plus the good food dietery which not observed by muslims....
The way of life is not covering your body with cloth, wearing gloves , praying several times in a day, fasting seeking moon for answer, performing or doing ritual like cutting hair and etc...this all a vain practises which considered religion..
Again you didn't fully answer the question. Why should a person take the Bible as the way of life? Taking it just because Jesus said so cannot be a complete answer because the way of life should have existed even before Jesus was born (example: previous Prophet is the way of life for people at that time).
u seems to be confused because u do not read Bible ....so u view me like confused...
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mashimaru83 posted on 25-3-2013 08:50 PM
The way of life exist since human being was created. Saying Bible is the only way of life beca ... The way of life exist since human being was created. Saying Bible is the only way of life because Jesus said so cannot be a final deciding factor for people who are looking for the absolute way of life (consider atheists).
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Truth.8 posted on 25-3-2013 07:18 PM
proor to the audiences that I have rejected HIS teachings
you told us that Jesus said his teachings was the way of life.
This is what I've found out :
So, macam mana Truth.8 nak cakap dia amik way of life dari Jesus Christ, sedangkan Jesus Christ sendiri mengaku dia tak ajar kesemua ilmu yang dia tau? hehehehhehe... sila jawab ye, Truth.8...
Btw, in your Bible, Jesus did not say that he is the way of life. The right quoted word was :
"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. (John 14:6)
How can you follow Jesus as "way of life" when Jesus himself never claimed that he's teaching the 'way of life'?
plus, Jesus of your Bible claimed that he didn't teach EVERYTHING to the disciples. How can you claim you're following Jesus when Jesus himself said he didn't teach everything? you're telling us that you're following an unfinished teachings?
so, this shows that you're making up stories about Jesus/Bible, thus showing us that you are not following Jesus Christ as per the Bible. You're an agnostic. You CLAIMED to follow Jesus Christ but you FAILED to prove to us. Worst, you tarnished Bible's name and Jesus's name by throwing a fitnah using Jesus's name.
If I am wrong, please correct me with proof, just like how I've put forward my proof.
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#38 and #42 awaits Truth.8's response.
Point number 1 :
Where did Jesus Christ said, in the Bible, that he teaches the 'way of life'? He did not said so in John 14:6 :
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me". (John 14:6)
Those who knows English can see why I've emphasize on the word 'and' in the verse. John 14:6 did not show us that Jesus said he teaches the way of life.
Point number 2 :
Jesus sendiri cakap : “I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.." (John 16:12-13)
Dalam Bible, Jesus sendiri bagitau ada banyak lagi dia nak ajar tapi pengikutnya ketika itu tak boleh terima. Spirit of Truth akan ajar apa yang Jesus Christ tidak ajak. How can Jesus said he is the way of life when he himself claimed that there are things which he cannot teach during that time? |
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Truth.8 posted on 26-3-2013 12:10 AM
Yes, the Bible is way of life...does Moses observed the slauthering of animals like what muslims ...
You missed my point completely. Let me rephrase the questions:
An atheist have both The Bible and Al-Quran. He read both of them to help him to find the way of life, and he found below verses:
1) The Bible - "The way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6)". Note: I took this from your post #1
2) Al-Quran - "Certainly, the only acceptable way which Allah will accept is Islam..." (3:19)
Now the question is why should he pick the Bible? What is the deciding factor?
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mashimaru83 posted on 26-3-2013 08:56 AM
You missed my point completely. Let me rephrase the questions:
An atheist have both The Bible ...
Good question. First of all, the quoted John 14:6 is misquoted. The right verse is :
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me". (John 14:6).
I am not replying to defend the Bible (let Truth.8 do it, though he misquoted John 14:6). I'm replying because this is a very good question.
Personally, the deciding factor for me (though I was born a Muslim, back in my schooldays I was one of those people who love to question stuff) is the acid test given by the Quran itself :
Or do they say, "He invented it"? Say, "Then bring ten surahs like it that have been invented and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful." (Noble Quran; 11:13) http://quran.com/11/13
And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful. (Noble Quran; 2:23) http://quran.com/2/23
Or do they say [about the Prophet], "He invented it?" Say, "Then bring forth a surah like it and call upon [for assistance] whomever you can besides Allah , if you should be truthful." (Noble Quran; 10:38) http://quran.com/10/38
What's left is the disobedience chosed by those who hear the truth but choose to reject it :
And We have certainly revealed to you verses [which are] clear proofs, and no one would deny them except the defiantly disobedient. (Noble Quran; 2:99) http://quran.com/2/99 Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. ndeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment. And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers. They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not. In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. (Noble Quran; 2:5-10) http://quran.com/2/5-10
p/s perhaps Truth.8 can take up the Quran's challenge and shook the world with his 'genius mind'?
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gunblade712 posted on 26-3-2013 10:54 AM
Good question. First of all, the quoted John 14:6 is misquoted. The right verse is :
Jesus sai ...
Thanks @gunblade712 for correcting the John 14:6 quotation. And also for answering on the deciding factor for choosing the Al-Quran. You put the evident forward! This is the kind of response that I'm looking for. Once the evident is put forward, we can start to discuss about the evident and move the discussion forward. I am hoping that @Truth.8 can do the same thing...
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mashimaru83 posted on 26-3-2013 08:56 AM
You missed my point completely. Let me rephrase the questions:
An atheist have both The Bible ... You missed my point completely. Let me rephrase the questions:
An atheist have both The Bible and Al-Quran. He read both of them to help him to find the way of life, and he found below verses:
1) The Bible - "The way, the Truth, and the Life (John 14:6)". Note: I took this from your post #1
2) Al-Quran - "Certainly, the only acceptable way which Allah will accept is Islam..." (3:19)
Now the question is why should he pick the Bible? What is the deciding factor?
Simple, because Bible is source of way of life....
we do not see Christians need wear or need to cover full garment , need observed fasting by seeking moon , shaving hair , praying 5 x a day...this is religion
you could not find in N T asking us to pray 4 o r 5 times day or etc
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mashimaru83 posted on 26-3-2013 06:02 PM
Thanks @gunblade712 for correcting the John 14:6 quotation. And also for answering on the deciding ...
Thank you. Kindly take note that it's just my personal opinion, it's one of my personal reason why I choose the Quran instead of the Bible.
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Truth.8 posted on 26-3-2013 11:37 PM
Simple, because Bible is source of way of life....
we do not see Christians need wear or nee ...
the deciding factor of a religion should be based on it's teachings, not it's followers. The teachings comes first, then it's followers.
In the most simple words (takut Truth.8 tak paham), you should produce the deciding factor from your Bible first, then you use the follower's example. |
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Truth.8 posted on 26-3-2013 11:37 PM
Simple, because Bible is source of way of life....
we do not see Christians need wear or nee ...
There are few problems with your argument.
Truth.8:
Simple, because Bible is source of way of life....
Truth.8:
we do not see Christians need wear or need to cover full garment , need observed fasting by seeking moon , shaving hair , praying 5 x a day...this is religion
you could not find in N T asking us to pray 4 o r 5 times day or etc
Another problem with your argument is that you are using the teaching from Al-Quran as part of your deciding factor. Consider an Atheist that come to you and ask you to prove that Bible is the source way of life. You will say, I can't prove it until you bring me the Al-Quran. In other words, if we are using your criteria as the deciding factor, then no one can prove the Bible is the way of life before Al-Quran become into existence!
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