What Soora 2:23 really says to SFE Talk?

sonny~~

ahem

FUZZ gonna say this, SFE cum DEBMEY gonna say that

so the ding dong bell gonna swing  ;)

Fuzzman

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 7-12-2005 07:18 AM
ahem FUZZ gonna say this, SFE cum DEBMEY gonna say that so the ding dong bell gonna swing  ;)

You're ever so right Sonny~~. That's the way things go because the ding dong bell is in Debmey aka SFE Talk's head. Debmey cannot prove the 2:23 false or wrong. That is why we're where we are today. Stuck in a place of inbetweens.

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 27-9-2005 09:25 PM
So where? Where are the objective criteria for the challenge?

This is the best thread of mine where Debmey cannot and will not provide clear proofs of the immaculate conception of the clarity and purity of soora 2:23. So where is your clear proofs Debmey? I'd like to see you activate that ability in here again. Ahhh the nostalgia of debate's past!

ARI FUZZMAN

ElehBodoh

Hey fuzzman,why are you feeding the trolls?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by ElehBodoh at 20-11-2006 10:31 PM
Hey fuzzman,why are you feeding the trolls?

Because them trolls need a lesson in humility when they can't stand upright their scrawny strawmen with hard facts. Them trolls rather threadjack then fight back one on one. You dig?

ARI FUZZMAN

Wow.. 27 pages ..still no ending.

First created in 2003, I wasn't even here.

Deb...where are you???



p/s: I checked page 6 as recommended by you Fuzzman. Can see crystal clear. thks.

Fuzzman

Yeah Iman, this here is one heck of a chapter off The Never Ending Story because Debmey's always in denial.  Debmey's still very active in RF for sure but Debmey's avoiding this and the paedo thread for fear of not being able to look smart and intelligent.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

So where are the objective criteria for the sura 2:23 challenge Fuzzy?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 22-11-2006 03:20 AM
So where are the objective criteria for the sura 2:23 challenge Fuzzy?

Go get yourself reading glasses first Debmey. You seem to be having trouble reading...especially in this thread!

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

I read. You couldn't justify the Quran. There is no objective criteria given by you.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 23-11-2006 05:59 AM
I read. You couldn't justify the Quran. There is no objective criteria given by you.

I know you read. Everybody knows you "READ", but we'd prefer if you read with your eyes open and not shut tight. bevause that makes you third eye blind. Joker. I justified the Quranic verse of 2:23 from the start. It is you that cannot justify your argument by refusing the objective criteria that has been staring blank at you for the past twenty seven pages already?

ARI FUZZMAN

Fuzzman

To Debmey: Are you tired already? I'm still fired up and waiting on you and your next move my fren.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

You still did not provide any objective criteria for the sura 2:23 challenge. that makes the sura like it challenge invalid and insincere.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-11-2006 10:24 PM
You still did not provide any objective criteria for the sura 2:23 challenge. that makes the sura like it challenge invalid and insincere.

Know what Debmey? You're bankrupted on ideas. Now that's what I call some really serious sh-it you got yourself into. The objective criteria is staring you dead between the eyes and you still ask for it? Can someone please get this dude some professional help? Hello people..can someone kindly tell Debmey what all these pages are filled up with?

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

What exactly is or are the objective criteria of the challenge? The fact that you refused to answers shows us excatly the hypocrisy of quran and islam itself fuzzy.

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 26-11-2006 11:30 PM
What exactly is or are the objective criteria of the challenge? The fact that you refused to answers shows us excatly the hypocrisy of quran and islam itself fuzzy.

Wahaha me "refusing" to answer? C'mon Debmey don't behaving like a rabid cow. I've been trying to milk you for an answer and you keep running off before I could even grab hold of your milk tits! LOL
The only hypocrisy being shown here comes only from you. The 2:23 is THE objective criteria on its own being and merit.
The Objective : To create one soora of it and not like it.
The Criteria: To be tasked with the assistance of your own kind [besides Allah - no Moslem involvement] ONLY WHEN IN DOUBT.
The Judge: You and your helpers. Judge your own handiwork. Allah is ALL KNOWING for he knows even if there are failed attempts, no doubtors will claim credit for a lesser creation. Guilt and Truth will prevent the doubtor from claiming nothing lesser then perfect.

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

You gave an objective and a criteria.
Not an objective criteria my fren.

The objective criteria is a measurable criteria to compare the suras to decide which is objectively better.
What kind of attribute do you want to compare? Which sura do you want to use for comparison? How long shld the sura be?

Islam have to do better fuzzy. Can you do a better job for islam fuzzy?

Fuzzman

Originally posted by Debmey at 27-11-2006 11:27 PM
You gave an objective and a criteria. Not an objective criteria my fren. The objective criteria is a measurable criteria to compare the suras to decide which is objectively better. What kind of attribute do you want to compare? Which sura do you want to use for comparison? How long shld the sura be?

Any soora for the matter. Similiar but not the same. Similiar in texting and total alphabetical usage. Similiar expressions of the essence of the verse chosen. Have the connectivity that it shares with a central theme ; ie -- continuity of the message of YHWH-Allah in unbroken sequencing.

When taken apart of rejoined, the 2:23 is the perfect Objective Criteria. At least now for all to see you have progressed after all these pages through the years. You have finally admitted that there is an objective and a criteria. Sure is a good start to 2007!

ARI FUZZMAN

Debmey

Originally posted by Fuzzman at 1-1-2007 04:51 PM
Any soora for the matter. Similiar but not the same. Similiar in texting and total alphabetical usage. Similiar expressions of the essence of the verse chosen. Have the connectivity that it shares with a central theme ; ie -- continuity of the message of YHWH-Allah in unbroken sequencing.

Well, did the Quran specify all that? Nope.
Why do you place your own restrictions on the challenge. Is your quran really so lousy that it needs you to come up with such narrow restrictions?
To be fair, can you please show me where in the Quran does it specify those restrictions? If you could, I will take up that challenge.

When taken apart of rejoined, the 2:23 is the perfect Objective Criteria. At least now for all to see you have progressed after all these pages through the years. You have finally admitted that there is an objective and a criteria. Sure is a good start to 2007!

I didn't see any objective criteria given in sura 2:23 fuzzy. The Quran needs to do better so that it can be taken seriously. you too need to work harder fuzzy for 2007.

cheers

Barney posted a thread, is Quran the word of God? . Let me just summarize the arguments that follow.

Iman replies: to deal with God challenge inside Fuzzman already existing thread.

Barney抯 claim #1:
You call that a challenge? Oh! I understand for converts [ beside Arab Muslims ] like you think it would be impossible to write something like that? You are nuts. These suras are nothing but written in poetic version by Jewish & Persian poets who converted to Islam during the time of Mohammed. There is nothing impossible about it and Fuzzman's challenge looks childish. When in this world of technology scientis can create clone while Muslims like you are deluded into what has been written in the Quran. Get a life and think of something better to do than asking such childish thing.

Iman replies:
It is not a challenge to write Arabic as some people seem to think for some reason. It is a challenge to write a Sura in the same literally perfection, same poetic balance, same powerful vocabulary and without any inconsistency nor error.


Let me restate it here.
1- Allah is the originator of the Qur'an
2- Non-believers accused Prophet Mohamad saw, who is a man, of writing it.
3- Allah in the Holy Quran effectively tells those people, if Quran was written by Prophet Mohamad saw who is a man then other men like yourselves should be able to do the same.

Barney抯 claim #2:
These suras are nothing but written in poetic version by Jewish & Persian poets who converted to Islam during the time of Mohammed. There is nothing impossible about it.
I know the contents of the sura. I also know that it is not about Arabic language but the sura and the way it was written.

I think any man with a flare for poet could wite a similar sura. So it does not mean none can write such verse. Anyway I did ask why must Allah [if he is the true GOD] would like to take the chalenge with mortals? HE should know the limits of mortals compared to HIM who is Al Mighty. So, I don't think a true GOD would take a challenge with mortals.

Muslims claim Allah is the originator of the Quran in that case you sould not doubt the Quran and call for a challenge to create another. The non Muslims did not create another book but the Muslims themselves. The hadith is a good example and their excuse is the hadith will clarify what is in the Quran. Did Allah ask any Muslims or even Moahammed to create a seperate book to clarify what is in the Quran? Please show me which verse in the Quran does it say so? I'm anxious to know if Allah has permitted Muslims to write another book beside Quran to explain what Allah has said in the Quran.

Non Muslims do not say what you are saying. What we are saying is the verses in the Quran were written by poets during the time of Mohammed. May be Mohammed would have spoken in simple Arabic but the poets who had worded them in poetic manner. That was the claim by me and mostly others.


Iman replies:

you do not know the history of Arab 1400 years ago. No one has been able to write anything like the holy Quran, not even one line, despite Arab men being known the best orators, the best poets that time.

When Prophet Muhammad s.a.w pinned up a copy of Surah Al-Kausar on the Kaaba, and issued this very poetry competition, the best poets of the Arabs came to take up the challenge.

The best poet of the Arabs read the Surah and said: