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RM6 bilion untuk kapal peronda baru TLDM - sebijik kapal 1 Billion...?
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ummu fitnah tengah online tue... tak tau la dia jenguk thread nie ke tak
Magika Post at 23-2-2011 21:24 
mana dia berani...dah salah mesti la tak jenguk.... |
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...satu bijik satu bilion ka ka ka ka ka ka ka... satu bijik satu bilion, pokeymark tul penyamun ni ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...lahabau punya mangkuk ayun..satu bijik satu bilion...tak tobat-tobat lagi ka puak-puak jahiliah jahanam ni..! |
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TLDM akan saman Tony Pua
KUALA LUMPUR 23 Feb. - Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) tidak menolak kemungkinan akan memfailkan saman fitnah terhadap Setiausaha Publisiti Kebangsaan DAP, Tony Pua.
Ia berikutan kenyataan fitnah Ahli Parlimen Petaling Jaya Utara itu yang menuduh pembelian enam buah Kapal Tempur Pesisir (LCS) TLDM diselubungi rasuah kerana dakwanya, kos kapal tersebut 870 peratus lebih mahal berbanding negara asing.
Panglima TLDM, Laksamana Tan Sri Abdul Aziz Jaafar berkata, pihaknya sedang mengkaji keseluruhan kenyataan Tony Pua sebelum sebarang tindakan susulan diambil ke atas wakil rakyat DAP itu.
"Kita sedang mengkaji secara keseluruhan dan buat masa ini, kami sedang meneliti secara terperinci kenyataan asal Tony Pua berhubung isu LCS ini," katanya ketika dihubungi Utusan Malaysia, di sini hari ini.
Beliau diminta mengulas gesaan pelbagai pihak supaya Kementerian Pertahanan dan Angkatan Tentera Malaysia (ATM) khususnya TLDM memfailkan saman fitnah terhadap Tony Pua, agar ia menjadi pengajaran.
Semalam, gesaan itu disuarakan bekas Ahli Majlis Pimpinan Tertinggi Parti Keadilan Rakyat (PKR), Ng Lum Yong, kerana dedahnya, Tony Pua mengeluarkan kenyataan tersebut bagi tujuan memburukkan imej ATM di mata dunia.
Menurut Lum Yong, tindakan tidak bertanggungjawab itu dibuat kerana pembangkang mahu rakyat hilang kepercayaan terhadap ATM selain, demi keuntungan politik pihak asing.
Sebelum ini, Timbalan Pengerusi Perhubungan UMNO Pulau Pinang, Datuk Musa Sheikh Fadzir serta Ahli Parlimen Bayan Baru, Datuk Seri Zahrain Mohamed Hashim turut membuat gesaan yang sama.
Dalam pada itu, Timbalan Menteri Pertahanan, Datuk Dr. Abdul Latiff Ahmad berkata, pihaknya akan mengumumkan mengenai bentuk tindakan susulan terhadap Tony Pua apabila tiba masanya kelak.
Katanya, Kementerian Pertahanan mengambil maklum terhadap semua gesaan orang ramai yang mahu tindakan tegas dikenakan ke atas wakil rakyat DAP itu kerana mempolitikkan isu pertahanan negara tanpa bukti kukuh.
"Apabila tiba masanya nanti, kami akan umumkan apa tindakan kementerian, jangan risau kerana kita mengambil maklum mengenai pandangan semua pihak yang tidak mahu isu pertahanan negara dipolitikkan," jelasnya. |
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TLDM akan saman Tony Pua
KUALA LUMPUR 23 Feb. - Tentera Laut Diraja Malaysia (TLDM) tidak menolak ...
jofizo Post at 24-2-2011 09:55 
sokong... saman saja Tony Pua si pemfitnah nie
boleh tambah list koleksi fitnah fitnah pakatan
1) pahang daily - lepas buat artikel fitnah.. kena saman fitnah... mencirit takut dekat court sampai terpaksa keluar artikel minta maaf
2) adun pkr sarawak yang kalah saman fitnah tue
3) suara keadilan yang kalah saman 100 juta ngan zambry
4) sharpshooter (ajk pemuda pkr )
fitnah dan pakatan rakyat berpisah tiada  |
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mana manami si penjaja fitnah tue
tak nak tolong tony pua hadapai saman fitnah ke  |
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kalau kena tembak ..tengelam .., habis satu bilion...., 
tak der ker list senarai harga kapal x2 perang ni..., kalau ada boleh lah pilih mana yg murah dan berkenan .., :re: |
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sokong... saman saja Tony Pua si pemfitnah nie
boleh tambah list koleksi fitnah fitnah ...
Magika Post at 24-2-2011 09:57 
ikut konsep.... saman menyaman membawa bahagia.... |
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mana manami si penjaja fitnah tue
tak nak tolong tony pua hadapai saman fitnah ke
Magika Post at 24-2-2011 10:06
Silap2 dgn si manami sekali kena saman..... |
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Naper Si Tony tu x mintak detail je kat Parlimen sblm kuar kenyataan.... |
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mana dia berani...dah salah mesti la tak jenguk....
shamsadis Post at 24-2-2011 09:01
aku nampak dia selalu online... tapi tak nak jenguk jugak thread nie... ramai menanti nantikan kemunculan dia dalam thread nie
kembalilah wahai manami  |
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....aritu LST TLDM terbakar 2 kali, patut rakyat kena saman Zahid jawa jugak kan.... |
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laah bawak ke court plak, lagi lah banyak rahsia persunjataan akan terbongkar....
pyropura Post at 24-2-2011 09:46
tak bawak pi court pun boleh........ buat mcm ATM buat kt Rafidah Aziz dulu. masa dia cakap tentera tak yah naik gaji, sbb tak de keje.....
tup..tup...pas tu, terus mintak maaf terbuka, ntah ape yg ATM buat kt dia sampai insaf tak buat dah...... mmg ade citer sebalik tu sbb ape dia minta maap. klu TLDM buat camtu, rasenye Phua tu pun buat benda yg sama. suruh PASKAL culik, bogelkan, tinggal kt tengah2 KL tu........ |
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Gila! Ang sempat simpan gambaq neh lagik? |
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Sorry he posted in response to me first saying no info on ships at all when I asked why he compared a fast attack craft to the SGPV, in which I then said that didn't I post a link to my article about the SGPV earlier, I was not explaining on behalf of Mindef just saying that the facts are out there and exist, sorry have to say Politicians irrespective of party find it convenient to quote/us media reports in line with their agenda but ignore those that don't suit them. and you'rer wrong about MOD ignoring him, Chief of Navy said at the PC that Pua can call and make appointment with him to discuss the SGPV. Sorry Faidzal, think you need to understand there's no black and white, Pakatan Rakyat are just as willing to play politics and use questionable tactics just like BN. Right here's my tweets sequence on 7th Feb with Pua twitter doesn't timeline properly but this as best from my feeds, starts with earliest:
ME: Think @tonypua need to fire his researcher, says US LCS cost USD300 million each, try double that figure see this link http://bit.ly/gdpq5T
ME: Statement by @tonypua says Isreali SAAR 5 corvette USD260mil but forgot SAAR built in 1990's and 700t lighter than SGPV
Tony Pua: Read: "budgeted" RT @DzirhanDefence: Think @tonypua need to fire his researcher, says US LCS cost USD300 million each, try double that fig
ME: Yr statemnt said US built LCS at budget of USD300M, it did not, don't tell me Lam Choon Wah did yr research RT @tonypua: Read: "budgeted"
ME: Umn, YB @tonypua, Greek Super Vita class is close over 1/4 tonnage of SGPV, that's like comparing Mini Cooper to 4WD
Tony Pua: Boss, we dun evn knw if wat we r buying. MoD nid 2 answr RT @DzirhanDefence: Umn, YB @tonypua, Greek Super Vita ... http://tmi.me/6t3wA
ME: Sigh, take it you did not read my article I linked to RT @tonypua: Boss, we dun evn knw if wat we r buying. MoD nid 2 answr @DzirhanDefence
ME: NZ and Irish patrol vessels all cheaper since they not mounting SSM,SAM and ASM compared to SGPV @tonypua
Tony Pua: Boss, w/all due respt, u r x MoD. Unless MoD appts u 2 speak on their bhlf RT @DzirhanDefence: Sigh, take it you did not read my article
Tony Pua: Fine, then let MoD confrm d SSM, SAM, ASM etc tht they r buying RT @DzirhanDefence: NZ and Irish patrol vessels all ... http://tmi.me/6t6pg
ME: Well you did say you don't know details on SGPV RT @tonypua: Boss, w/all due respt, u r x MoD. Unless MoD appts u 2 speak on their bhlf
ME: Funny enough you guys try to speak on behalf of Sultans most times biggrin.gif RT @tonypua: u r x MoD. Unless MoD appts u 2 speak on their bhlf
ENDS
Sources : dzirhan
http://forum.lowyat.net/
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' Wrong - Tony Pua's analysis of warship costs ' - Dzirhan Mahadzir
DAP's Petaling Jaya Utara parliamentarian Tony Pua was making unreasonable comparisons when he claimed that the Defence Ministry is going to pay up to 8.7 times more for the warships it is proposing of buying, said a defence analyst.
According to Dzirhan Mahadzir, correspondent for noted defence magazine Jane's Defence Weekly, this is because the specifications of the vessels mentioned by Pua vary.
“ Some warships he compared are less in tonnage and size than the (vessels proposed for purchase)…so it is like comparing a Mini Cooper to a four-wheel drive in price, ” he said in a lengthy commentary on his Facebook page.
It is also very difficult to make comparisons by dividing price by tonnage as even similar sized ships can come in very different specifications, he said.
“ Even if (the ships) are similar in size, the type of equipment they mount such as weapons, electronics, engines ... and their design, along with construction material ... make substantial differences in price. ”
Dzirhan, who is also published in academic journals and had lectured at the Royal Military College, said that the time the ships were ordered also plays a significant role in determining price.
For example, he pointed out, the contract for the Israel Saar V (right) offshore patrol vessel (OPV) mentioned by Pua in his press statement yesterday was made in the early 1980s.
Nevertheless, the ship which cost US$260 million (RM791 million) is about RM200 million cheaper than the RM1 billion budgeted by the Defence Ministry for each OPV, and which has similar specifications.
Both have anti-air and anti-ship missiles, anti-submarine weapons and a helicopter hangar and helipad.
“ Finally, a contract for a ship is not just for the ship but also for maintenance, support, training and delivery, ” he said, noting that negotiations could bring down the cost of these aspects.
The analyst also said Pua's comparison to the US Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) is also wrong because the function is completely different to that of the OPV.
While the vessel was budgeted to be built at a price of US$300 million (RM913 million), the final cost was US$637 million (RM1.93 billion) and US$704 million (RM2.14 billion) for each of the two different designs purchased, he said.
' Common practice '
On Pua's contention that the Defence Minister Ahmad Zahid Hamidi is announcing the budget of RM6 billion for six warships before the price has been finalised, Dzirhan said this is a common practice.
“ The problem is Pua confuses a letter of intent…and OPV announcement as an actual contract. A potential value is announced by the government in a letter of intent for various reasons.
“ However, it often is not the actual value when the contract occurs, particularly in regard to complex arms purchases. ”
Previously, one of the most common complaints of defence companies was that Malaysian government often would not provide indications of how much a potential deal is worth, said Dzirhan.
“ (This) made it hard for companies to justify their efforts to shareholders and investors and also obtain financial backing, ” he added.
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takut TLDM tu plak yang dibugelkan....
pyropura Post at 24-2-2011 20:47
tau tak beza dengan Tentera Regular TLDM dengan PSSTLDM (Angkatan Simpanan TLDM) |
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