Bunyi kuat dan 2 gerhana di bulan Ramadhan

Kalau kita tahu dengan yakin dari mana datangnya sesuatu hadith, bolehlah kita percaya. Tapi kalau kita tak tahu dari mana datangnya, dan sejauh mana kesahihannya, kita wajar berhati-hati.

Berikut satu penjelasan tentang so-called "hadith" gerhana bulan dan matahari yang digunakan oleh orang yaang menyebarkan cerita diatas:

The hadith recorded in Dar-e-Qatni clearly reads:

Narrated Amr son of Shamir, quoting Jabir, who quoted Mohammad bin 'Ali:

"For our Mahdi, two signs are given which never occurred in the past from the creation of the heavens and the earth. One is that a lunar eclipse will occur on the first night of Ramadhan and the second sign is that a solar eclipse will occur in the middle of Ramadhan and these signs had never happened from the creation of the heavens and the earth." (Dar-e-Qatni, Vol. 1, P. 188)

With regard to this hadith, we need to make the following observations:

   1. This hadith is not a saying of hazrat Muhammad(SAW), as the Qadiani leadership has tried to portray, but it is a saying attributed to an individual by the name of Mohammed bin 'Ali. Thus, once more the falsehood of Qadiani leadership becomes apparent.

According to an authentic hadith of hazrat Muhammad(SAW):

"Ascribing false things to me is not like ascribing false things to anyone else. Whosoever tells a lie against me intentionally then surely let him occupy his seat in Hell-Fire". (Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 378)

   2. This hadith attributed to Mohammad bin 'Ali has been rejected by scholars of hadith for centuries. In fact, the first narrator of this hadith is Amr bin Shamir who is a known narrator of weak and fabricated Ahadith.  Allamah Shamsuddin Dhahbi(RA) who was an expert of the Funn-e-Rijaal (the art of Men Narrators) has written:

"According to its authenticity, this saying attributed to Imam Baqir is extremely weak, outcast, and rejected. Looking at the chain of narration, the first narrator is Amr bin Shamir who has been labeled (in Meezanul-E'tidaal, P. 262) as the big liar, a narrator of weak and fabricated Ahadith, a non-believer of Hadith, a person who used abusive words for the companions of the Messenger(SAW) and the Sahabah(RA); and according to Ilm-ul-Hadith, his narration is not written as Hadith."

Amr bin Shamir had claimed to have heard this hadith from a person by the name of Jabir. Not only we can not trust this assertion of a known liar, but also Amr failed to disclose -- perhaps purposely -- which one of the many Jabirs he was referring to in this quote. Nevertheless, among the individuals by that name, we find Jabir Ja'fi, who was described by Imam Abu-Hanifah(RA):

"Among the liars that I met, no one was bigger liar than Jabir Ja'fi."

Amr bin Shamir finally claims that this hadith was originally narrated by Mohammad bin 'Ali.  Qadianis assert that the Mohammad bin 'Ali mentioned must have been Imam Baqir. However, we have had several narrators with this name and there is no proof or reason to believe that the person Amr intended was Imam Baqir.   Indeed, since it was the habit of Amr bin Shamir to narrate weak and fabricated Ahadith and attribute them to well known, truthful, and trustworthy narrators, we are obligated to be very doubtful of this hadith.

   3. Even if, for the sake of discussion, we were to accept this hadith at face value, it would only serve to expose the falsehood of Mirza Ghulam and the Qadiani propaganda machine. This saying clearly states that the lunar eclipse will happen in the beginning of the month of Ramadhan and the solar eclipse will occur in the middle of the month. However, this event is astronomically impossible and would be indeed miraculous if occurred. (Yang berlaku diawal bulan ialah gerhana matahari dan yang berlaku dipertengahan bulan ialah gerhana bulan).

nde

tumpang baca utk nambah ilmu sambil ambil iktibarrrrrrrrr

sLapshock

diorang akta berlaku ... takdak pun?
senaja diornag ni.. aku dah agak dha..

Lina66

Originally posted by Azizul at 23-9-2005 08:56 AM
Assalamualaikum..

Saya masih mencari-cari akan kebenaran akan datangnya
bunyi yang kuat pada bulan Ramadhan tahun ini.Itu semua
dijanjikan Allah SWT & diberitakan oleh Rasulullah SAW.

P ...

Email ni actually dah lama sangat tersebar luas bukan saje di Malaysia.. Azizul hanya menambah paragraph pertama dan paragraph yg lain adelah email sebaran daripada orang lain...

Azizul... sesungguhnya ALLAH tu Maha Mengetahui..

In-namaa amruhuu idzaa araada syai-an ayyaquula lahuu kun fayakun.
Apabila ALLAH mengkehendaki sesuatu maka hanya dengan perintah: "Jadilah" maka terciptalah dia.

serihartatie

Originally posted by ponder at 5-10-2005 09:15 AM
Kalau kita tahu dengan yakin dari mana datangnya sesuatu hadith, bolehlah kita percaya. Tapi kalau kita tak tahu dari mana datangnya, dan sejauh mana kesahihannya, kita wajar berhati-hati.

Berik ...

maaf....Grand Muhadiths Prof Dr Abdullah ben Sadek memasukkan hadis ini salah satu daripada pakej hadis akhir zaman dalam buku beliau Mahdi Al Muntazar...

Memandangkan beliau merupakan alim ulamak, ahli akademik (Al Azhar ), grand muhadiths, maka tatie mempertikaikan pendapat yang telah dipaste oleh ponder di atas...

Tatie, ada dia bagi dari mana datangnya "hadith" tu atau dia cuma sebut?

Memandangkan "ulama" zaman sekarang ni bermacam jenis, kalau dia tak sebutkan asal usul hadith tu, saya tak nak terima.

Sekarang ni ada ulama Al Azhar yang suruh rakyat Iraq bekerjasama dengan kerajaan penjajah di Iraq..... dan dia tidak lain dari Imam Besar Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid al-Tantawi!

under_13

ehhh.........betul ke nih???miau........takuttnye

tapi aku ada musykil sikit lah, ustaz aku kata, apabila turun nabi isa nanti, dia akan mengambil semua jawatan yang ader kat dunia nih. lepas tu, ustaz aku kata dia (nabi isa) akan memerintah(memerintah???) bumi nih selama beberape tahun dan bumi akan menjadi aman damaii........tanpa sebarang peperangan(rasenyela kot).

takkan la aku tak percaya cakap ustaz aku pulak........kesian......ustaz.

so, ape pendapat korang???

ibnur

Komet atau mungkin akan langgar bumi 2014.  Mungkin itu letupan kuat nanti.  

(Sat nanti aku check lagi sekali)

[ Last edited by ibnur at 5-10-2005 08:50 PM ]

Mari kita kaji sikit hadith ni:

"For our Mahdi, two signs are given which never occurred in the past from the creation of the heavens and the earth. One is that a lunar eclipse will occur on the first night of Ramadhan and the second sign is that a solar eclipse will occur in the middle of Ramadhan and these signs had never happened from the creation of the heavens and the earth." (Dar-e-Qatni, Vol. 1, P. 188)

Kita tengok macam mana lunar eclipse dan solar eclipse berlaku:

1. Lunar eclipse berlaku apabila bumi menghalang cahaya matahari dari sampai ke bulan. Akibatnya, bulan kelihatan gelap. Fenomena ini berlaku dipertengahan bulan, bukan diawal bulan:



2. Solar eclipse berlaku apabila bulan menghalang cahaya matahari dari sampai ke bumi. Tapi bulan kecil saja berbanding matahari dan bumi, jadi solar eclipse cuma berlaku disebahagian kecil permukaan bumi (setiap kali ianya berlaku). Bulan menghalang cahaya matahari dari sampai ke bumi diawal bulan (new moon).



Ini menunjukkan bahawa hadith diatas tak mungkin betul sebab "lunar eclipse" tak mungkin berlaku diawal bulan dan "solar eclipse" tak mungkin berlaku dipertengahan bulan, seperti tertulis dalam "hadith" diatas.

icelemontea

just imagine, letusan itu akan bermula di tempat yang seindah ini....:hmm:

icelemontea

another view

mok_nik

ogos lepas mok nik berkesempatan melawat Yellowstone National Park. Memang kawasan ini pernah mengalami  ERUPTION dan kesan ia masih jelas kelihatan, terutama jika ke Grand Canyon Yellowstone dan melihat geysernya seta bukit bukau sekelilingnya. Menakjubkan pandangan alam sekitar kawasannya dan gerun pun ada sebab terasa berada dalam kawasan runtuhan dan bencana. Mungkin juga aoa yg dikatakan akan terjadi di sana . Untuk melihat kecantikan alam semula jadi di sana anda boleh kesini :dia:

Yellowstone National Park - Geysers

Yellowstone National Park - Old Faithful

Yellowstone National Park - Mammoth Hot Springsl

Yellowstone National Park - Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone

Yellowstone National Park - The Mud Volcano

ubikayu

nak tanya , ada ke berlaku, gerhana seperti yang di dakwa dalam beberapa hadis. Aku tak dengor apa-apa berita pun , macam mana pulak info kat link bawah ni....
http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclipse/OH/OH2005.html

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by ponder at 6-10-2005 05:59 AM
Mari kita kaji sikit hadith ni:

Ini menunjukkan bahawa hadith diatas tak mungkin betul sebab "lunar eclipse" tak mungkin berlaku diawal bulan dan "solar eclipse" tak mungkin berlaku dipertengahan bulan, seperti tertulis dalam "hadith" diatas.

or maybe another body other than the earth may cause the eclipse. for example, a lunar ecliipse may happen di awal bulan if something completely blocks cahaya matari dari sampai ke bulan, that is the body is between the sun and the moon, and big enough of course. i guess it may happen, maybe not this ramadhan since no such object is detected yet.

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 6-10-2005 04:05 PM
or maybe another body other than the earth may cause the eclipse. for example, a lunar ecliipse may happen di awal bulan if something completely blocks cahaya matari dari sampai ke bulan, tha ...

There is a problem here. Diawal bulan, sun, moon and earth are aligned. Jadi kalau path cahaya matahari ke bulan tersekat, then cahaya matahari kebumi pun tersekat juga. So you won't notice the missing moon because the (bigger) sun is also missing! You get a solar eclipse!

And then, to fulfill the prophesy, somewhere in the middle of the month, the object will come back to block the sun again, and this time it will be called a solar eclipse (why was it not called a solar eclipse the first time?? ).

Anyway, ada puak yang kata hadith ni berasal dari Jaafar as-Sadiq. Jadi, mungkin golongan syiah boleh confirm atau tolak.

ibnur

Originally posted by ubikayu at 6-10-2005 09:10 AM
nak tanya , ada ke berlaku, gerhana seperti yang di dakwa dalam beberapa hadis. Aku tak dengor apa-apa berita pun , macam mana pulak info kat link bawah ni....
[url]http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/e ...

Dah di cerita dalam banyak thread yang tajuk serupa oleh ramai orang.  Gerhana matahari hanya berlaku hujung bulan.  Gerhana bulan berlaku tengah bulan.  Jadi hadith itu diragui.

Partial solar eclipse dah berlaku beberapa hari lepas dan boleh dilihat dari beberapa tempat di Eropah.

ibnur

Oleh sebab gerhana matahari berlaku pada 3 oktober.  Jadi dentuman tak ada, sebab 3 oktober bulan syaaban.....   

muahahahahaha................


http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.20415

[ Last edited by ibnur at 6-10-2005 04:43 PM ]

ibnur

Eclipses of the Sun   (Explanation of Solar Eclipse Maps in PDF)

2005 October 3 - annular solar eclipse (see map)
2006 March 29 - total solar eclipse (see map)
2006 September 22 - annular solar eclipse (see map)
2007 March 19 - partial solar eclipse (see map)
2007 September 11 - partial solar eclipse (see map)
(See also NASA's solar eclipse pages)



Eclipses of the Moon

2005 October 17 - partial lunar eclipse (see data sheet)
2006 March 14-15 - penumbral lunar eclipse (see data sheet)
2006 September 7 - partial lunar eclipse (see data sheet)
2007 March 3-4 - total lunar eclipse (see data sheet)
2007 August 28 - total lunar eclipse (see data sheet)
(See also NASA's lunar eclipse pages)

[ Last edited by ibnur at 6-10-2005 05:00 PM ]

ibnur

Originally posted by aizverus at 6-10-2005 04:55 PM
jap, gerhana bulan yg berlaku 3 hb oct tu x jd pun. that means 2005 bukan fasa pengakhiran dunia..erm, atau pun aku mungkin tak tau yg dia memang berlaku tapi aku tak sedarinya...well, byk sgt kije ...

GERHANA MATAHARI

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by ponder at 6-10-2005 04:35 PM

There is a problem here. Diawal bulan, sun, moon and earth are aligned. Jadi kalau path cahaya matahari ke bulan tersekat, then cahaya matahari kebumi pun tersekat juga. So you won't notice the missing moon because the (bigger) sun is also missing! You get a solar eclipse!

hmm, that seems right. but maybe if that happens, we get both solar and lunar eclipse.:hmm:. i'm intrigued to consider the ellipse path of the earth too. well, i'll do the geometry when i have the time.