Does Koran says anything abt .....

Truth.8

Originally posted by dak_ker at 22-11-2006 03:06 PM
kesian sungguh women from ur religions ..

why kesian? did not Jacob was 'fitnah' by women?

did not adam listen to eve until sin enter the earth?

did not anwar was fitnah by women?

did not sherina made fitnah until muslims and christian will flight?

did not soloman was corrupted by his 300 wives  by worshipping idols

and etc

dak_ker

aku pon tak tau


so t8.... why should u blame women??? why dont u blame man who do not think properly

yassin_yahya

amin.......

sedondon

Ayam dgn telur mana dulu? Mungkin bible dapat menerangkannyer secara jelas!:lol

Truth.8

Originally posted by sedondon at 22-11-2006 03:51 PM
Ayam dgn telur mana dulu? Mungkin bible dapat menerangkannyer secara jelas!:lol

we not talking abt ayam & telur.

so, muslims no idea why women suffered while giving birth or does ur allah says womens must suffered by giving birth for they act of sins?

loona

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 23-11-2006 09:52 PM


we not talking abt ayam & telur.

so, muslims no idea why women suffered while giving birth or does ur allah says womens must suffered by giving birth for they act of sins?

....so after such a long thread still cant find the answer? still looking for sura in Quran? and still struggling quoting from Bible? hahahha...just use your brain a bit will do!

Truth.8

Muslims have no idea or the so called book of miracle & sign the Koran not able to explain. why? because the Koran surly not same as us and God Adam is not god of islam.


this what happened :


Adam and Eve

In the Bible, the first man and the first woman. The Book of Genesis tells that God created Adam by breathing life into "the dust of the ground." Later, God created Eve from Adam's rib. God placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, telling them that they could eat the fruit of all the trees in the garden except the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They lived happily until the serpent (Satan) tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. She ate, and gave the fruit to Adam, who also ate; they immediately became aware and ashamed of their nakedness. Because of Adam and Eve's disobedience, God drove them from the garden into the world outside, where Eve would suffer in childbirth and Adam would have to earn his livelihood by the sweat of his brow. The direst consequence of Adam and Eve's disobedience was death: " Dust thou art," said God, And unto dust shalt thou return." After their expulsion, Eve gave birth to sons, first Cain and Abel and then Seth, and thus Adam and Eve became the parents of humankind. Adam and Eve's sin and their consequent loss of God's grace and the enjoyment of paradise are referred to as the Fall of Man or simply "The Fall."

In islam , muslims do not believed fall of men because allah create bad nature in begining. Until now muslims struggling to explain the homo animals  yet the Bible says everything was created  good in begining until the fall of Man.

That is the differences God Adam and allah. We now know the real God. The real God of Bible.



[ Last edited by  Truth.8 at 24-11-2006 02:19 AM ]

loona

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 24-11-2006 02:13 AM
Muslims have no idea or the so called book of miracle & sign the Koran not able to explain. why? because the Koran surly not same as us and God Adam is not god of islam.


this what happened ...

Ayyaaa...Now you are telling the story about Adam and Eve, and dont you think we dont have a story to tell you about that? nanti tak cukup server kat forum ni kalau nak cerita pasal Adam & Eve.
I thot you going to tell "Why Women Suffer during the Childbirth" according to bible....

Truth.8

Originally posted by loona at 24-11-2006 02:38 AM

Ayyaaa...Now you are telling the story about Adam and Eve, and dont you think we dont have a story to tell you about that? nanti tak cukup server kat forum ni kalau nak cerita pasal Adam & Ev ...

so, what does the koran says abt eve?

Truth.8

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 24-11-2006 03:04 AM


so, what does the koran says abt eve?

Muslims have no idea or the so called book of miracle & sign the Koran not able to explain. why? because the Koran surly not same as us and God Adam is not god of islam.


this what happened :


Adam and Eve

In the Bible, the first man and the first woman. The Book of Genesis tells that God created Adam by breathing life into "the dust of the ground." Later, God created Eve from Adam's rib. God placed Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, telling them that they could eat the fruit of all the trees in the garden except the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They lived happily until the serpent (Satan) tempted Eve to eat the forbidden fruit. She ate, and gave the fruit to Adam, who also ate; they immediately became aware and ashamed of their nakedness. Because of Adam and Eve's disobedience, God drove them from the garden into the world outside, where Eve would suffer in childbirth and Adam would have to earn his livelihood by the sweat of his brow. The direst consequence of Adam and Eve's disobedience was death: " Dust thou art," said God, And unto dust shalt thou return." After their expulsion, Eve gave birth to sons, first Cain and Abel and then Seth, and thus Adam and Eve became the parents of humankind. Adam and Eve's sin and their consequent loss of God's grace and the enjoyment of paradise are referred to as the Fall of Man or simply "The Fall."

In islam , muslims do not believed fall of men because allah create bad nature in begining. Until now muslims struggling to explain the homo animals  yet the Bible says everything was created  good in begining until the fall of Man.

That is the differences God Adam and allah. We now know the real God. The real God of Bible.


................Can muslims explain does allah says anything why eve pain while giving birth??

i212

Hek eleh.....


Itu memanglah...
Dah turun ke bumi... Adam dan Hawa akan mengalami semua itu sebab Tuhan dah tarik semua keistimewaan mereka...

Kalau still dalam Heaven, semua tuh memang la tak jadi..


Itulah bezanya di bumi dgn Heaven. In heaven, everything is nice.

Apa la ngok ko nih.. aku ingatkan adalah verse special dalam bible yang mengatakan kenapa perempuan sakit bersalin.

Kalau sebab macam ko tulih tuh, dari kecik lagi aku dah belajar.

Apaaaa Daaaaa.....

Truth.8

Originally posted by i212 at 24-11-2006 03:04 PM
Hek eleh.....


Itu memanglah...
Dah turun ke bumi... Adam dan Hawa akan mengalami semua itu sebab Tuhan dah tarik semua keistimewaan mereka...

Kalau still dalam Heaven, semua tuh memang l ...

can u show me koran verses on that issue? if u read in Genesis , God says eve will suffered while giving birth. does ur koran says so? which verses?

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 24-11-2006 03:35 PM


can u show me koran verses on that issue? if u read in Genesis , God says eve will suffered while giving birth. does ur koran says so? which verses?

What are you trying to proof T8?  What is your objective?

zonan

Originally posted by Truth.8 at 21-11-2006 11:21 PM
I am wondering. Does ur koran says anything abt women suffering while giving birth? why ? any koran verses to support?

I hve Bible verses to support my claimed.

So???:stp:

i212

by T8
can u show me koran verses on that issue? if u read in Genesis , God says eve will suffered while giving birth.

Realy?.. Genesis have the verse?
Show me...

benign

wait before that..

which God are you referring to truth? Who created Adam and Eve? The Father of God, Jesus or Holy Ghost? Does mother of God has any saying about this?

Does Koran says anything abt .....

I am wondering. Does ur koran says anything abt women suffering while giving birth? why ? any koran verses to support?

I hve Bible verses to support my claimed.

Dear all,

this is not to the original poster (eventough I quoted his post), but this is to all muslims. The rest, let them find the truth by themselves, and let them get the answers from the credible persons, not from the layman muslims who listen Mettalica songs more often than reading the Quran. If they find the truth they find, if they don't they don't.

For the rest, we respect you. Especially the Jews and the Christians, for being the members of the book (ahlil kitab). We respect Zabur (Psalm), Taurat (Torath), Injil (Bible), despite of a few doubts on tiny claims in them.

Peace to all.
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Quran, 46:15, Surah al-Ahqaf (The Dunes)

We have enjoined on man kindness to his parents: In pain did his mother bear him, and in pain did she give him birth. The carrying of the (child) to his weaning is (a period of) thirty months. At length, when he reaches the age of full strength and attains forty years, he says, "O my Lord! Grant me that I may be grateful for Thy favour which Thou has bestowed upon me, and upon both my parents, and that I may work righteousness such as Thou mayest approve; and be gracious to me in my issue. Truly have I turned to Thee and truly do I bow (to Thee) in Islam."

Dan Kami wajibkan manusia berbuat baik kepada kedua ibu bapanya; ibunya telah mengandungnya dengan menanggung susah payah dan telah melahirkannya dengan menanggung susah payah. Sedang tempoh mengandungnya berserta dengan tempoh menceraikan susunya ialah dalam masa tiga puluh bulan. Setelah dia besar sampai ke peringkat dewasa yang sempurna kekuatannya dan sampai ke peringkat umur empat puluh tahun, berdoalah dia dengan berkata: Wahai Tuhanku, ilhamkanlah daku supaya tetap bersyukur akan nikmatmu yang engkau kurniakan kepadaku dan kepada ibu bapaku dan supaya aku tetap mengerjakan amal soleh yang Engkau redai; dan jadikanlah sifat-sifat kebaikan meresap masuk ke dalam jiwa zuriat keturunanku. Sesungguhnya aku bertaubat kepadamu dan sesungguhnya aku dari orang-orang Islam (yang tunduk patuh kepadamu).

Und Wir haben dem Menschen anbefohlen, gegen seine Eltern g?ig zu sein. Seine Mutter trug ihn wider Willen, und wider Willen brachte sie ihn zur Welt. Und ihn zu tragen und ihn zu entw?nen erfordert drei?g Monate, bis er dann, wenn er seine Vollkraft erlangt und vierzig Jahre erreicht hat, sagt: "Mein Herr, sporne mich an, dankbar zu sein f? Deine Gnade, die Du mir und meinen Eltern erwiesen hast, und (sporne mich an,) Rechtes zu wirken, das Dir wohlgefallen mag. Und la? mir meine Nachkommenschaft rechtschaffen sein. Siehe, ich wende mich zu Dir, und ich bin einer der Gottergebenen."

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Extra reading for all of us...

Extracted from the book ?he Developing Human? written by Prof. Dr. Keith Moore,  
-Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology, University of Toronto, Canada.
-Dean of Basic Science, Faculty of Medicine, UoT.
-Chairman, Department of Anatomy
-J.C.B Grant Award by Canadian Association of Anatomy

Introduction

Modern science did not discover this before Islam, but in fact, Quran which was brought down to a noble man, 1,400 years ago, who was illiterate, in the middle of the harsh Arabian Desert, that is the holy Quran discovers this before science does!

Recent research proved that ?i]During the seventh week, the skeleton begins to spread throughout the body and the bones take their familiar shapes. At the end of the seventh week and during the eighth week the muscles take their positions around the bone forms.? - (Moore, Developing Human, 6. edition,1998.)

Quran says this before the expert embryologist does!

?b]We then formed the drop into a clot and formed the clot into a lump and formed the lump into bones and clothed the bones in flesh; and then brought him into being as another creature. Blessed be God, the Best of Creators!" (Quran, Surah, Al-mukminun, 14)

Stages of Baby Formation

?e did create the human from a clay product; Then we placed a drop of sperm (Nutfah) in a place firmly fixed; Then we made the sperm into a leach structure (?laqah); Then of that leach we made a chewed-like structure; then we made out of that chewed-like structure bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another form of creation. . Blessed be God, the Best of Creators? (Quran, Surah al-mukminun, 12-14).


This verse from the Quran identifies the stages of pre-natal development as follows:  

1.        Nutfah, which means ? drop? or ?mall amount of water?;
2.        ?laqah,which means a ?eech-like structure?;
3.        mudghah, which means a ?hewed-like structure?;
4.        ?dhaam?, which means ?ones? or ?keleton?;
5.        kisaa ul idham bil-laham, which means the clothing of bones with flesh or muscle,
6.        al-nash'a which means ?he formation of distinct fetus?.

Modern Science only discovered this in the 19th Century?


Stage 1: Nutfah (A drop)


The drop or nutfah has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest"). This interpretation is supported by another verse in the Qur'an which states that "a human being is created from a mixed drop." The zygote forms by the union of a mixture of the sperm and the ovum ("The mixed drop").





Stage 2: Alaqah (leech like structure)

The word "alaqah" refers to a leech or bloodsucker. This is an appropriate description of the human embryo from days 7-24 when it clings to the endometrium of the uterus, in the same way that a leech clings to the skin. Just as the leech derives blood from the host, the human embryo derives blood from the decidua or pregnant endometrium. It is remarkable how much the embryo of 23-24 days resembles a leech (Fig. 2). As there were no microscopes or lenses available in the 7th century, doctors would not have known that the human embryo had this leech-like appearance. In the early part of the fourth week, the embryo is just visible to the unaided eye because it is smaller than a kernel of wheat.





Stage 3: Mudghah (chewed-liked structure)

The Arabic word "mudghah" means "chewed substance or chewed lump." Toward the end of the fourth week, the human embryo looks somewhat like a chewed lump of flesh (Fig. 3). The chewed appearance results from the somites which resemble teeth marks. The somites represent the beginnings or primordia of the vertebrae.
"Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh."





Stage 4 & 5: Idhaam (bones, skeleton) & kisaa ul idham bil-laham (clothing of bones with flesh or muscle)

This stage indicates that out of the chewed lump stage, bones and muscles form. This is in accordance with embryological development. First the bones form as cartilage models and then the muscles (flesh) develop around them from the somatic mesoderm.





Stage 6: al-nash'a which means ?he formation of distinct fetus?.

This stage implies that the bones and muscles result in the formation of another creature. This may refer to the human-like embryo that forms by the end of the eighth week. At this stage it has distinctive human characteristics and possesses the primordia of all the internal and external organs and parts. After the eighth week, the human embryo is called a fetus. This may be the new creature to which the verse refers.
"And He gave you hearing and sight and feeling and understanding."





What Professor Moore says?

"...Because the staging of human embryos is complex, owing to the continuous process of change during development, it is proposed that a new system of classification could be developed using the terms mentioned in the Qur'? and Sunnah. The proposed system is simple, comprehensive, and conforms with present embryological knowledge?/i] ? Professor Moore

"The intensive studies of the Qur'? and Had?h in the last four years have revealed a system of classifying human embryos that is amazing since it was recorded in the seventh century A.D... the descriptions in the Qur'? cannot be based on scientific knowledge in the seventh century..."  ? Professor Moore

fullyfool

hidup faztech,aku sokong ko.terdiam budak 2 dgn explaination ko.hidup faztech

hi5

T8 is sweating now...he's now thinking of to embrace Islam again....

how about barney, deb?...he...he

So, what's in the bible?

[ Last edited by  hi5 at 24-11-2006 10:17 PM ]

Truth.8

Originally posted by samerosie at 24-11-2006 04:08 PM


What are you trying to proof T8?  What is your objective?

All I asked, does ur koran has verses on Eve /or hawa why ur allah give pain giving birth.

this my Bible verses:


Genesis 3:15-22 (King James Version)

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

17And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

So does ur koran have such verses??