Senjata Api : Self-Defense ?

windof

bab gaduh nih yg aku nak buat kajian, since hang dah ada experience, aku nak buat research sikit...
since hang mention ada pakai 20% tomoi, that means you are trained in tomoi, correct?
but why only 20% managed to be used, whilst the rest was koboi? adakah perkara macam ni a norm to most martial artist? base on pendedahan2 dlm net, aku notis ramai martial artist yg menyatakan perkara yg sama! so, is it necessary to learn martial art kalu tak leh pakai masa memerlukan? sama macam sepetol hang yg tak digunakan masa tuh...is it neccessary to carry it around kalu tak mau pakai?

windof

Allah...salam...salam...
tak payah pangge hang anak la macam nih...hang pon boleh la pangge aku bro jer...
concerning your thesis, pasai tu kita tak leh nak rasa selamat kat negeri2 macam tuh...coz we wouldn't know berapa ramai citizen depa yg baik compared to yg jahat.... unless depa tampai kat dahi depa aku baik atau aku jahat ka.....
anyway, negeri2 tuh dah mmg turun-temurun culture depa lagu tuh...dolu2 pedang/panah kat sisi, bila dah ada senapang gajah, depa bawak senapang gajah, la nih dah zaman submesingan, depa pon bubuh submesingan kat pinggang....

areguard

Something is wrong if you are comparing owning a gun with a car..Off course a car could be used to kill but it was not designed as a weapon..a gun is a gun it's designed to maim and kill..for a 42 year old your logic is abysmal..

saden

resorting to personal attacks now are we?

as the adage says 'guns don't kill people, people kill people'. from your posting, basically what u're worried about was people's frame of mind and their urge to kill. well, if they really want to kill, they don't need guns. anything can be used to kill.. beg plastik over the head ala khmer rouge will do. now u understand why i mentioned cars? since anything can be used as a weapon, the problem boils down to a person's frame of mind.

so, i still assert that people are still waras and not prone to kill walaupun ada weapon in his hand (i said weapon, not just guns).

maybe u need to live a little more to be able to see things more clearly.

mmc

thanks ..that clears up a lot of thing..the problem based on pengalaman lama, tak tau the law dah ubah ke belum..mesia bukan aja ada restriction on owning a gun, tambah lagi carrying a gun(location), concealed weapons, missing weapons etc...memang leceh betul kalau nak guna bro..so it is just not that easy to allow citizens to have a gun..

saden

Originally posted by benzo at 26-5-2009 06:22


I have had mine for many years and so do my wife. With the permit, Ican carry any handgun concealed or open and may carry a loaded rifle orshotgun in the car..

ni mesti redneck ni... siap ada gun rack dlm pickup truck.

benzo

Originally posted by windof at 26-5-2009 08:07
bab gaduh nih yg aku nak buat kajian, since hang dah ada experience, aku nak buat research sikit...
since hang mention ada pakai 20% tomoi, that means you are trained in tomoi, correct?
but why ...

Tomoi belajar masa sekolah menengah dulu.. lama sangat dah tinggal... sebab tu 20% aje... aku rasa memang penting train seni beladiri... at least bila kena tumbuk tak panik.. ramai orang tak leh handle getting hit...

pistol dibawa in case my life is threatened.. I will only use it if my life is in danger.. was not the case then.

benzo

Originally posted by areguard at 26-5-2009 09:05
Something is wrong if you are comparing owning a gun with a car..Off course a car could be used to kill but it was not designed as a weapon..a gun is a gun it's designed to maim and kill..for a 4 ...

Worst mass killing in US history was a nightclub fire set with rags and kerosene. Tak ada guns pon. Guns are not made to kill. They are made to protect what is dear to you. 400 million guns in the US, only a very small proportion is ever used to take a life.

benzo

Originally posted by saden at 26-5-2009 10:13

ni mesti redneck ni... siap ada gun rack dlm pickup truck.

Yeah.. most of my more liberal friends think I'm an asian redneck

saden

wa rasa itu pasal adrenaline la bro. bila dah berdepan, adrenaline terlebih, tu yg keluar koboi je tu.

tapi... kalau startled, harus yg terkeluar tu buah silat perfectly executed that u didn't know u knew. this one wa dengar beberapa kali jugak lah..

windof

weh! hebat tuh! boleh keluaq silat oto..... dari mana hang dengaq....aku nak menuntut ngan depa tuh.... tak payah belajaq lama2 dan susah2... sampai masa, on saja....

besanya yg oto nih semua depa kata dapat dlm mimpi....betui ka?

[ Last edited by  windof at 26-5-2009 19:25 ]

saden

bukan silat oto bro.... ni utk org yg memang belajar.. tapi kekadang bila berlatih tu, rasa macam useless je pergerakan2 tu, atau tak nampak kat mana application dia.. lagi2 pulak bila sparring, rasa macam kaku je, atau tak nampak macamana nak apply buah2, atau nak apply buah tapi asyik tak jadi...tu pasal last2 jadi koboi.

tapi sebenarnya, yg dia berlatih tu masuk dlm muscle memory/subconscious/reflex.... bila dia terkejut beruk kena ambush baru masa tu buah tu menjadi.

salah satu citer yg wa dgr tu, mamat ni story dia belajar taichi, tu pun pasal ramai awek dlm group tu . sekali tu ntah apa hal, dia kena serang kat parking lot.. dia pun tak sedar reflex dia took over n terus execute one taichi move..terpelanting mat yg serang tu clear over a car. dia sendiri pun tergezut dia boleh buat buah tu "fuiyoo..terenye wa!"

matdue77

Hahahhaha... betul... ni pernah berlaku....

windof

lawak...lawak...adakah mamat tuh hang saden....

kena belajaq taichi la pas nih...

benzo

nih kira dah mula off-topic dah nih. Back to guns.

Aku rasa memang penting training with the gun you will use to protect yourself to build muscle memory. Masa ambil shotgun course dulu pernah tengok mamat nih bila target pop up, dia rack shotgun dia lapan kali tapi sekali pun tak tarik trigger. Semua lapan round dia eject live. Sebabnya dia biasa dengan semi auto , dok concentrate nak rack pump-gun dia lupa pasal trigger. Adrenaline punya pasal.

Aku shotgun biasa dengan pump-gun, plan nak upgrade pada semi auto tapi kena tunggu dulu. Sekarang harga senjata api semua naik pasal Obama .

windof

rilek la zo, taichi and martial art pon self defence jugak...tu alternatif senjata api tuh...bagi org2 malaysia yg tak leh dan tak mau pakai senjata api, martial art is a good option.... sama2 la kita bincangkan macamana martial art boleh digunakan utk self defence selain dari menggunakan senjata api...

benzo

Kalau camtu ok jer.. aku dulu belajar juga dua tiga seni beladiri. Paling lama tomoi tapi pernah juga belajar silat gayung, cekak dan kali(lawan tongkat/pisau dari filipina) kat US. Bagi aku paling berguna tomoi untuk tangan kosong dan kali untuk tongkat/pisau sebab dua2 nih banyak sparring (Kali guna pisau plastic dan paip plastic ganti kayu). Paling tak berkesan untuk aku Silat Cekak sebab tak ada sparring langsung... mungkin sebab tak lama aku belajar.. 6 bulan aja.


Memang berguna belajar seni beladiri tapi ada had dia. Kalau beza berat lebih dari 20kg, kalau ada dua tiga blackbelt pon susah nak menang. Untuk self defence aku rasa lebih baik belajar self defense yang ajar guna senjata macam silat atau kali. Kalau ada orang pecah rumah, kalau skill dah takat mahaguru pun , lebih baik guna parang dari tangan kosong.

windof

kalu tengok skill hang, takder masalah utk hang tumbangkan beberapa org musuh sekali gus....bukan cekak tuh mmg tamat skill asas dlm 6 bulan ker...? menurut sumber, cukup utk self defence. kawan aku cerita dia pernah diserang 10 org bersenjata kayu n rantai, tapi bila dia bukak cekaknya, berjaya mematahkan tangan 1 org dan kaki 1 org, pas tuh yg lain cabut.... kawan aku tu kecik dan pendek jer orgnya, nampak lekeh jer...tapi bila real situation, laju jadinya... lagipon aku dengaq org cekak cakap, size doesn't matter...betui ka?

aku ada tengok kali dlm fight quest, mmg gila babas punya sparring.... mmg brute force game semua tuh...

benzo

Originally posted by windof at 28-5-2009 08:02
kalu tengok skill hang, takder masalah utk hang tumbangkan beberapa org musuh sekali gus....bukan cekak tuh mmg tamat skill asas dlm 6 bulan ker...? menurut sumber, cukup utk self defence. kawan  ...

asas cekak memang habis... tapi nama pun asas.. entah lah aku tak pernah berjaya nak guna cekak punya kunci... bila bergaduh pun tak keluar langsung cekak.... mungkin sebab aku lebih lama bertlatih dengan tomoi dan tak ada konfiden dengan cekak... aku tak konfiden sebab masa habis asas tu.. cikgu silat tu suruh semua anak murid dia , one after another cuba pukul dia dan dia kan kunci...masa turn aku dia tak dapat kunci aku..aku dapat pukul dia... mungkin cik gu aku tu yang tak power sangat.. dan aku memang besar dari dia.

member kau tu terrer betul.. boleh kalah Bruce Lee ... aku rasa skill tomoi aku boleh tahan tapi  kalau lawan dua sekali pun tak boleh gerenti menang..melainkan yang lawan tu lembik betul.... satu sama satu boleh lah kot.... dalam pengalaman aku saiz memang matter.... skill macam mana pun kalau lawan tu besar sangat susah nak kalahkan.. kalau berat kita 70 kg.... kalau takat mahaguru pun susah nak kalahkan orang yang berat 120kg.... sebab tu aku prefer senjata api . Orang sini besar2 !

saden

Originally posted by benzo at 28-5-2009 10:56

dalam pengalaman aku saiz memang matter.... skill macam mana pun kalau lawan tu besar sangat susah nak kalahkan....

tu pasal kena pakai strategy. bigger beats smaller.... that holds when u take total size and also applicable to some other point of view..

ok... his total body size is bigger than yours... what about your hand vs his finger? or your foot vs his toes? your upper body mass vs his elbow joint? your fist against his nose?

always try to find something of his body that is weaker than you. if everything else fails, target his skin.