Stoning of She Monkey In Hadiths

Debmey

The hadith is considered authentic by Muslims. We would therefore ask Muslims to explain the logic of what is recorded inside.

ibnur

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-4-23 08:59:
The hadith is considered authentic by Muslims. We would therefore ask Muslims to explain the logic of what is recorded inside.

The hadith is considered authentic by Debmey. We would therefore ask Debmey to explain the logic of what is recorded inside

Debmey

Not me sir, its yu muslism who beleives in it and follow it religiously.

Looks like ibnur is stuck defdneduing one of their hadith.

cheers

ibnur

defdneduing

as usual - SFE stuck and starts to tremble.  
SFE is stuck and can't persuade muslim to believe the hadith is from Prophet Muhammad.

Sheikh Muhammad Iqbal Nadvi
Imam of Calgary Mosque, Canada, and Former Professor at King Saud Univ., Saudi Arabia.

******THIS HADITH HAS BEEN NARRATED AND AUTHENTIC, HOWEVER, IT IS A STORY, A PARABLE AND IS NOT TO BE TAKEN AS A REAL INCIDENT.*****

"This hadith is authentic and it has been narrated in Al-Bukhari. It narrates a story about a man who said that animals have some sort of restrictions as regards sexual intercourse. The story implies that there are some limits in the sexual relations in the animal life. However, it does not mean that this is considered adultery or not.

Anyhow, this hadith is not the saying of the Prophet; it is a just a story that a man narrated. It cannot be a basis for a ruling in Islam."

Debmey

But muslims are using the hadiths for islamic codes of conduct.

DARSITA2

[quote]Originally posted by Debmey at 2-4-2004 10:08 AM:
Sah頷 al-Bukh鈘

Originally posted by DARSITA2 at 2004-7-14 11:29 AM:



Only Quran was promised to be protected by Allah and NOT hadiths. In other words, Person who wrote the hadith book or person who compiled them are not masom (spelling) (the one without ...

Yes, correct. (the spelling is ma'sum)

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Debmey

so how do you know the hadith yu are following is allah's will?

DARSITA

[quote]Originally posted by Debmey at 1-4-04 06:08 PM:
Sah頷 al-Bukh鈘

Debmey

please go to the very first post of this thread.

thanks

neostream

It is clear that where the had顃h regarding the stoning of a she-monkey for adultery is concerned, it is simply a recollection of a Companion of the Prophet regarding this maltreatment of animals during the pre-Islamic period of jah頻iyyah, which is in total contradiction to Islamic principles and norms. Thus, the claim that this had顃h is the basis from which the lapidation for married adulterers in Islam came about is nothing more than a damp firecracker hurled by the haters and enemies of Islam. That their view of Islam had been tainted by deep ignorance, hatred, paranoia and xenophobia is no big secret, and this latest polemic is ipso facto a confirmation of their current condition.

The had顃h is categorized as mauquf (lit. "stopped"), meaning that it is a saying traced to that of a Companion(R). Therefore, since it is clear that this had顃h is not a saying of the Prophet, much less ascribed to him, it cannot be a basis for a ruling in Islam.

you can read more here
http://www.bismikaallahuma.org/Hadith/Exegesis/she-monkey.htm

:bgrin:

Debmey

menj denying the hadith as an part of Islam?

Looks like menj has no reply to what I brought up. He needs to abandon the hadith.

neostream

which parth of this u dont understand?

"The had顃h is categorized as mauquf ("stopped", meaning that it is a saying traced to that of a Companion(R). Therefore, since it is clear that this had顃h is not a saying of the Prophet, much less ascribed to him, it cannot be a basis for a ruling in Islam."

Debmey

so why was that particular verse doing among the hadiths?
looks like al bukhari didn't do a good job.
And if he didn't, how do you know he did good on the rest of the hadiths he authenticated?
BTW, what was the criteria that Bukhari used for picking the hadiths anyway?

DARSITA

Originally posted by Debmey at 15-7-04 08:12 AM:
please go to the very first post of this thread.

thanks

If you got it from the internet pls give me the link. Thank you.

"During the pre-lslamic period of ignorance I saw a she-monkey surrounded by a number of monkeys. They were all stoning it, because it had committed illegal sexual intercourse. I too, stoned it along with them."[Sah頷 al-Bukh鈘

DARSITA

Originally posted by Debmey at 13-7-04 06:24 PM:
But muslims are using the hadiths for islamic codes of conduct.

Do you know the meaning of ''hadith''?

Debmey

i shld be asking yu and not the other way around. so why was that verse included in sahih al bukhari? Did bukhari made a mistake? So wat are yu gonna do about it since yu deny this verse?

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-7-16 09:18 AM:
i shld be asking yu and not the other way around. so why was that verse included in sahih al bukhari? Did bukhari made a mistake? So wat are yu gonna do about it since yu deny this verse?

You have already been given what you deserve in MENJ's forum. (For those who don't know, SFE is Debmey's other nickname.)...So, be content with what you have been deservedly given.

"Thus, the conclusion with regard to the hadith above is as follows:

It is clear that where the had顃h regarding the stoning of a she-monkey for adultery is concerned, it is simply a recollection of a COMPANION of the Prophet (not prophet himself) regarding this maltreatment of animals during the pre-Islamic period of jah頻iyyah, which is in total contradiction to Islamic principles and norms.

Thus, the claim that this had顃h is the basis from which the lapidation for married adulterers in Islam came about is nothing more than a damp firecracker hurled by the haters and enemies of Islam. That their view of Islam had been tainted by deep ignorance, hatred, paranoia and xenophobia is no big secret, and this latest polemic is ipso facto a confirmation of their current condition.

And only God knows best." - MENJ


http://blog.menj.org/archives/000064.htm

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Debmey

Based on menj's logic, then there is clear doubt that al bukhari is reliable record on Muhamad's deeds as well. In other words, much of Islam is also questionable cos Muslims depend so much on al bukhari's compilation of hadiths for guidance in the religion.