[Merged] Re-open 911 & Pentagon Puzzle

BeanDiesel

Greetings Panglima Hitam,
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Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 28-6-2006 08:22 AM

"Melted" Steel and "Puffs Of Dust"
What explosives? I doubt those over-active imagination prone leftist stories about explosives. Because muslims crashed the plane with heavy load of jet fuel. Enough damage is done to the struct ...

Here the Reply to FaithHealer3's Popular Mechanics:

In 1994 Dr. Van D. Romero, with strong ties to the the defense establishment, became director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center (prior to 1991 named TERA, the Terminal Effects Research and Analysis group) at New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology (NMTech). In 1999 he was appointed (and remains) NMTech's Vice President for Research.
According to PsyOpNews (in a web page which appeared on 2001-10-04, but disappeared a few weeks later):
On the morning of the attacks, Romero and Tech's finance vice president Denny Peterson, were near the Pentagon.
They had come to Washington to discuss defense-funded research programs at Tech, leaving them very conveniently located to grab NMTech's slice of the imminent cleanup operation. Because New Mexico Tech offers counter-terrorism training of police and fire first responders to terrorism attacks in the United States!
Within hours Romero was telling the Albuquerque Journal that the collapse of the twin towers could have been caused by a small amount of explosive put in more than two points in each of the towers.
You can read the rest of the PsyopNews story http://www.serendipity.li/wot/psyopnews2.htm#van_the_man. Rather than pursue this, let's stay with what Van Romero is reported to have told the Albuquerque Journal. You can read the entire text of the original article http://www.serendipity.li/wot/pop_mech/romero.htm. Here are some extracts:
"My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse," Romero said. ...
Romero said the collapse of the structures resembled those of controlled implosions used to demolish old structures.
"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that," Romero said in a phone interview from Washington, D.C. ...
If explosions did cause the towers to collapse, the detonations could have been caused by a small amount of explosive, he said.
"It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points," Romero said.
Whether Van Romero "was misquoted in saying that [he] thought it was explosives that brought down the building" is known only by himself and the journalist, but it sure reads as if he said exactly that.
No doubt the publication of his views was not received well in certain circles in Washington D.C., nor at NMTech, heavily dependent upon funding from the Pentagon. It is not surprising that within two weeks he had publicly renounced his former views, and continues to do so.
Now let us turn to a consideration of what Popular Mechanics calls the "Pancake Theory". This theory was examined already over three years ago in the article by J. McMichael mentioned below:
The question of whether the fires provided sufficient explanation for the collapse of the Twin Towers was addressed by several people soon after the event, and it was shown that this was not a sufficient explanation, but Popular Mechanics ignored these analyses (if it was ever aware of them). For example, over three years ago, on 2001-11-25 Carol Valentine published J. McMichael's Muslims Suspend Laws of Physics (http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html or http://www.serendipity.li/wot/mslp_i.htm and http://www.serendipity.li/wot/mslp_ii.htm). Popular Mechanics' "experts" were apparently unaware of the points to which J. McMichael drew attention (or perhaps they were aware but Popular Mechanics chose to ignore things like this):
• The fires in the Twin Towers were not raging infernos. They gave off lots of black, sooty smoke, indicating an oxygen-poor fire. Oxygen-poor fires do not produce high temperatures.
• The Boeings which allegedly hit the Twin Towers had both taken off with enough fuel for a transcontinental flight, but most of the jet fuel in the South Tower impact was consumed in the spectacular fireball (), so presumably much more fuel was available for the fire in the North Tower. If the fires were the cause of the collapse then we would expect the North Tower to have collapsed more quickly than the South Tower. But the opposite happened: the North Tower collapsed 104 minutes after impact whereas the South Tower collapsed after only 56 minutes.
• Steel is an excellent conductor of heat, so when you apply heat to a steel structure the heat spreads quickly. So the heat from the fires would have spread through the entire steel structure of each tower. The Twin Towers contained 200,000 tons of steel. Are we expected to believe that the fires from two loads of jet fuel provided sufficient heat to raise 200,000 tons of steel to the point where it became critically weak?
• Based on data (http://web.archive.org/web/20030 ... com/fire/fr006.htm) provided by Corus Construction Centre, and assuming that the WTC architects followed the usual safety margins for load-bearing steel structures, we may conclude that even if the fire had heated the steel to 1022癋 (550癈) that would not have been sufficient to cause the towers to collapse.
• Fire tests in open sided car parks in four countries revealed that the maximum temperature reached was 680癋 (360癈), far below that needed to cause steel to weaken significantly.

However we do not have to establish exactly what temperature was reached, or could have been reached, by the burning jet fuel, since Dr. Shyam Sunder, Chief of the NIST Materials and Construction Systems Division, has stated:
Now, several of you have heard about or thought about the fact that the jet fuel would have burned, caused the building to burn, and probably think the jet fuel played the sole role in the fires. The jet fuel acted much like a matchstick. It was something that spread throughout the building in those affected floors and caused ignition of the fires. But the jet fuel itself burnt in a matter of minutes, within less than ten minutes. So what burned over the next hour, or hour and a half, was really the contents of the buildings, the everyday contents of the buildings.

Originally posted by Terong Pipit at 28-6-2006 10:14 PM

Continuation...

The "pancake" (or "domino" or "flapjack") theory has it that the towers collapsed because
(a) the only connection between the outer perimeter wall and the central core were flimsy lightweight trusses,
(b) the plane impact weakened these trusses and the heat of the fires caused them to buckle until
(c) the trusses at the impact floors gave way and
(d) the floors above lost their support and fell upon the lower floors causing all floors to pancake.
That this theory is false has been demonstrated by an anonymous author in The World Trade Center Demolition (http://www.serendipity.li/wot/wtc_demolition_init.htm). For more on this see http://www.serendipity.li/wtc2.htm#truss_theory of The Official Story: The Twin Towers (http://www.serendipity.li/wtc2.htm).
As regards what Popular Mechanics calls the "Puffs of Dust", the most interesting ones are those that are very similar to ones that occur in controlled demolitions. For more on this see http://www.serendipity.li/wtc5.htm#video_evidence of Evidence for Explosives in the Twin Towers (http://www.serendipity.li/wtc5.htm).

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 28-6-2006 08:59 PM

Greetings Panglima Hitam,
Make sure you've read our Rules and Guidelines. Profanity will not be tolerated here.

Wow... TP manyak takut sama ini Moderator...dia punya nama BeanDiesel atau VinDiesel XXX!
Apa susah-susah mau tunjuk lu punya power... kasi potong saja itu kapla Pang5 Black...

Rules are make to be broken!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:

juwaini

Originally posted by Terong Pipit at 28-6-2006 10:19 PM



Wow... TP manyak takut sama ini Moderator...dia punya nama BeanDiesel atau VinDiesel XXX!
Apa susah-susah mau tunjuk lu punya power... kasi potong saja itu kapla Pang5 Black...

Rules are  ...

don't provoke bro/sis...
he's just here to do his job

Originally posted by juwaini at 28-6-2006 10:21 PM


don't provoke bro/sis...
he's just here to do his job

To juwaini,

FYI, TP really hate those that misuse of their temporary 'little' power handed to them.
You show to me what 'big mistake' that Pang5 Black dah lakukan disini?

Awat? kacang Diesel to ajen CIA atau FBI?

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 28-6-2006 08:59 PM

Greetings Panglima Hitam,
Make sure you've read our Rules and Guidelines. Profanity will not be tolerated here.

greeting beandiesel,

Apakah 'ungkapan lucah' yang Pang5 keluarkan kepada anda?:gado:

Originally posted by juwaini at 28-6-2006 10:21 PM


don't provoke bro/sis...
he's just here to do his job

Is beandiesel your buddy?

p/s - Next season your Man United will be slaughtered by Chelsea...

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by Terong Pipit at 6/28/06 06:19 AM

Wow... TP manyak takut sama ini Moderator...dia punya nama BeanDiesel atau VinDiesel XXX!
Apa susah-susah mau tunjuk lu punya power... kasi potong saja itu kapla Pang5 Black...

Greetings Terong Pipit,
If I really want to show off my 'power' I could have deleted any post I don't like, cut anyone's credit excessively (yeah I can cut up to 500 Credits a day), and use the whole gamut of foul language to those who gets in my way. But I don't want to do that. I prefer to give a chance for people to learn our standard and blend in. Force is the last thing I wanna use.

So, enjoy your stay.

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by Panglima Hitam at 6/28/06 07:04 AM



greeting beandiesel,

Apakah 'ungkapan lucah' yang Pang5 keluarkan kepada anda?:gado:

The earlier ones (#17). I just wanna make sure you've read our rules and guidelines thoroughly. Feel free to ask if you have any question. There's a thread dedicated for that too.

juwaini

Originally posted by Panglima Hitam at 28-6-2006 11:06 PM



Is beandiesel your buddy?

p/s - Next season your Man United will be slaughtered by Chelsea...

nope...
i just think that we need to show respect to people who show respect to us...
as far as i know, he did that to me..

p/s : i don't care about chelsea
why should i care about glory hunter?
and why should i care about someone who play CM with cheatcode to get unlimited transfer fund? :gila:
u get what i mean?

juwaini

Originally posted by Terong Pipit at 28-6-2006 10:49 PM



To juwaini,

FYI, TP really hate those that misuse of their temporary 'little' power handed to them.
You show to me what 'big mistake' that Pang5 Black dah lakukan disini?

Awat? kacang  ...

nope..
he didn't misuse his power
he just want all of us to have a forum without any mudslanging or hatred towards each other...

Originally posted by FaithHealer3 at 27-6-2006 08:49 AM


If so.. who hijacked the planes?

Who is Abdulaziz Alomari, Wail Al-Shehri, Waleed M Al-Shehri, Mohamed Atta and Salam Al Suqami from the Passengger List of Flight AA11?

Woi! FaithHealer3;

Who is Nawab Al Hamzi, Salim Al Hamad, Khalid Al Midhar, Hani Hanjour and Majed Moqed from the Passenger List of Flight AA77 as you seen below.

Woi! FaithHealer3;

Who is Fayed Ahmed, Ahmed Al Ghamdi, Hamza Al Ghamdi, Marwan Al Shehhi and Mohald Al Shehri from the Passenger List of Flight UA175 as you seen below.

Woi! FaithHealer3;

Who is Saeed Al Ghamdi, Ahmed Al Haznawi, Ahmed Al Hami and Ziad Jarrahi from the Passenger List of Flight UA93 as you seen below.

Originally posted by juwaini at 28-6-2006 11:21 PM


nope..
he didn't misuse his power
he just want all of us to have a forum without any mudslanging or hatred towards each other...

Lu kalau mau bodek sama dia TP tak kisah...
But kacangDiesel dari Pang5 mula thread ni, sikap dia memang nak bermusuh dengan Pang5... ada saje yg tak kena...

TP sejak dari 2002 dah masuk forum ini... terkilas ikan diair TP dah tahu jantan betinanya..

Setakat hendak bermegah dgn ada kuasa nak potong kredit... takyah nak buat yang dia 'relevant' ler kat sini...  

Dalam 'hari dalam sejarah Forum Cari' dah berapa ramai forummer yang dah kena disekat takleh masuk kat sini?

Kalau moderator 'gemokkan' kredit sendiri memang banyak ler.... camni pun nak rasuah... memalukan...

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 28-6-2006 11:10 PM



The earlier ones (#17). I just wanna make sure you've read our rules and guidelines thoroughly. Feel free to ask if you have any question. There's a thread dedicated for that too.  

Pang5 tak nampak pun apa yang dimaksudkan: "Ungkapan Lucah"?

Boleh perjelaskan?

Kalau U rakyat Malaysia, bukan tak tau maksud tu kot?

"Anda memang sampah masyarakat jika menyokong USA membabi buta. Macam keldai bisu aje".

Adakah itu "Ungkapan Lucah"?