The Koran and the Jews

sonny~~

whose land did outcast imported jews rape in first place?  

peace

Debmey

Jews are sitting on their own land, it belongs to them.

sonny~~

so wots the name o the land outcast imported jews sittin on?  be brave now.  no wiggle waggle  

peace

Sonny, there is no point telling you. Because you simply incapable of understanding matters. Stop wasting your time as if you're not very learned. The problem is you're full of opinion yourself. You mind is fixed. It is useless even though the truth flies across your nose.

If you really are sincere in wanting to know, take this: Palaistina was named by the Romans after the Philistine people (Aegean Sea People from Greece/Crete) to eradicate any association of the land toward the Jews they drive out. Philistines died out 2500 years ago. Palestine was never owned by the Arabs. It was a region conquered by the Mamluks of Egypt then Turks of Ottoman. There never was a "state". Take it or leave.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 2004-6-21 09:05 AM:
Sonny, there is no point telling you. Because you simply incapable of understanding matters. Stop wasting your time as if you're not very learned. The problem is you're full of opinion yourself. Yo ...

It was a region conquered by the Mamluks of Egypt then Turks of Ottoman. There never was a "state". Take it or leave.

irrespective ITS a region n not a state, exactly wots the name o the LAND outcast imported jews sittin on?  be brave now.  no wiggle waggle bout me intelligence when u havin nuthin in ur thick skull urself  

peace  

Debmey

You see, sonny is making racist remarks again.

The Jews are sitting on Israel, their own land.

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-21 09:59 AM:
You see, sonny is making racist remarks again.

The Jews are sitting on Israel, their own land.

n how did outcast imported jews get their israel in first place?  no hecklin now  

peace

Debmey

how did outcast arabs import arabs in the first place?

Sharon, Israel, Wants Palestine Without The Palestinians

Debmey

Really? If that is the case, why are there still so mkany so called Palestinians in Israel? You are a liar Kennkid.

cheers

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-21 11:26 AM:
Really? If that is the case, why are there still so mkany so called Palestinians in Israel? You are a liar Kennkid.

cheers

Heheh...The truth really hurts huh Debmey? It was not written by me btw ~ but I share the writer's opinion 100%, because that is the truth of the matter.

Here are some more articles by him, which I don't think you will read because you hate the truth ~ you prefer to lie and to dream.

Click 'Deepak' >> 'Peace related writings'

http://www.geetanjoli.com/

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Debmey

and up until now, Kennkid still cannot refute what the Quran says about Irael belonging to Jews and not arabs.

peace

Debmey

The Qur'an adumbrates several principles that hover around a common theme:  God does not love injustice and will assist those who are wrongly treated.  And  it focuses so much  on this  that  the  person most mentioned in the Qur'an is Moses -- who is presented as God's revolutionary, and who leads a people despised and tormented for no other reason than that they worshipped God,  out of the land of bondage to the  Promised  Holy Land.

The Qur'an in Chapter 5: 20-21 states quite clearly: Moses said to his people: O my people!  Remember the bounty of  God upon you  when  He bestowed  prophets upon you , and  made  you  kings and gave you that which  had not been given to  anyone before you amongst  the nations. O my people!  Enter the Holy Land which God has written for you, and do not turn tail, otherwise you will be losers."

The  Quran goes on to say why the Israelites were not allowed to enter the land for forty years...but the thrust of my analysis is where Moses says that the Holy Land is that which God has "written" for the Israelites. In both Jewish and Islamic understandings of the term "written", there is the meaning of finality, decisiveness and immutability. And so we have the Written Torah (unchangeable) and the Oral Torah (which represents change to suit times). And in the Qur'an we have "Written upon you is the fast"--to show that this is something that is decreed, and which none can change.  So the simple fact is then, from a faith-based point of view: If God has "written" Israel for the people of Moses, who can change this?


The Qur'an refers to the exiles, but leaves it open for return...saying to the Jews that if they keep their promise to God, then God will keep the divine promise to them. WE may argue that the present state of Israel was not created in the most peaceful means, and that many were displaced--for me, this is not the issue. The issue is that when the Muslims entered that land in the seventh century, they were well aware of its rightful owners, and when they failed to act according to divine mandate (at least as perceived by followers of all Abrahamic faiths), they aided and abetted in a crime. And the present situation shows the fruits of that action--wherein innocent Palestinians and Israelis are being killed on a daily basis.

I also draw your attention to the fact that the medieval exegetes of Qur'an--without any exception known to me--recognized Israel as belonging to the Jews, their birthright given to them. Indeed, two of Islam's most famous exegetes explained "written" from Quran 5:21 thus:


Ibn Kathir (d. 774/1373) said: 揟hat which God has written for you

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-21 11:55 AM:
and up until now, Kennkid still cannot refute what the Quran says about Irael belonging to Jews and not arabs.

peace

When fools read the Qur'an, they will only interpret it as fools interpret anything. But fools are self-made people. God did not create them to be such ~ they choose to be foolish. God is fair and just to all His created beings.

The Torah commands Jews to establish peace and security, not to occupy the lands of others and spill blood. The people of Israel are described as "a light unto the nations" in the Torah. As the "Rabbis for Human Rights" declare:

We are told: "Justice, justice, you shall pursue" (Deuteronomy 16:20). Why is the word justice said twice? Because, according to our tradition, one is to pursue a just cause by just means. In defending ourselves, we must always hold on to the prophetic vision of decency and humanity. The survival of the Jewish people will be determined not only by its physical acumen, but also, by its moral steadfastness.1

If the Israelis continue to treat the Palestinians as they do now, they may be unable to account for that to God. Similarly, those Palestinians who kill innocent Israelis may also be unable to account for those murders. Is it not a duty in the eyes of God to put an end to the fighting, which is dragging both sides deeper into unending violence?

We invite all Jews to consider these facts. God commands us Muslims to invite Jews and Christians to a "common formula":

Say: "O People of the Book! Let us rally to a common formula to be binding upon both us and you: That we worship none but God; that we associate no partners with Him; and that we erect not, from among ourselves, Lords and patrons other than God." (Qu'ran, 3:64)

This is our call to the Jews, a People of the Book: As people who believe in God and obey His commands, let us come together in a common formula of "faith." Let us love God, the Lord and Creator of all of us. Let us abide by His commands. Let us pray to God to lead us further on the path of righteousness. Let us bring love, compassion, and peace to each other and the world, not hostility, bloodshed, and anguish.

That is where the solution to the Palestinian tragedy and other conflicts in the world lies. The deaths and suffering of so many innocent people remind us every day what an urgent task this is.

http://www.harunyahya.com/palestine01.php

Debmey

You still have no answers to what Sura 5 says about Israel belonging to Jews. No amt of cut and paste from you can change the Quran.

cheers

A majority of Israeli children begin learning Zionist ideology at a
very young age. The ideology's racist interpretations have a very
negative effect upon them

Read what the Qur'an says:

http://www.harunyahya.com/palestine03.php

Debmey

Kennkid still have no answers to what Sura 5 says about Israel belonging to Jews. Thats the reason why he desperately tries to detract from the topic. He needs to deny his Quran

cheers

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-21 12:23 PM:
The Qur'an adumbrates several principles that hover around a common theme:  God does not love injustice and will assist those who are wrongly treated.  And  it focuses so much  on this  tha ...

judaism jews who follow the koran plz stand up  :hmm:

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-21 11:55 AM:
and up until now, Kennkid still cannot refute what the Quran says about Irael belonging to Jews and not arabs.

peace

how did outcast imported jews get israel?  accordin to koran or donkey un divided PALESTINE so that israel can exist?  HARDcommonsense watson  

peace

sonny~~

Originally posted by Debmey at 2004-6-21 12:37 PM:
You still have no answers to what Sura 5 says about Israel belonging to Jews. No amt of cut and paste from you can change the Quran.

cheers

now u're spammin ur own thread.  stay cool watson

btw how did outcast imported jews get israel?  accordin to koran or donkey un divided PALESTINE so that israel can exist?  HARDcommonsense watson  

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