[Merged] Re-open 911 & Pentagon Puzzle

Fantastic... how almost the whole beoing COWed...

To 'whom burn the candle' for the 911 - PH really pity you...

see www.reopen911.org

..who actually the real terrorist?

[ Last edited by  BeanDiesel at 18-7-2006 04:07 PM ]

BeanDiesel

I'm afraid religion can't answer that. You may repost this in History, Myth, Legend or World Events boards.
Thank you.

juwaini

yes, but they burdened the responsibilities onto one PARTICULAR religion...
:gila:

Originally posted by juwaini at 26-6-2006 11:23 AM
yes, but they burdened the responsibilities onto one PARTICULAR religion...
:gila:

:setuju:

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by juwaini at 6/25/06 07:23 PM
yes, but they burdened the responsibilities onto one PARTICULAR religion...
:gila:

that's why the author has to draw the sufficient connection between that and the investigation. I mean, this story can go anywhere. just like that Saddam Hussein thread we saw the other day. Having too broad of a topic will end up being another insult battlefield, among others.

We are actually in the process of evaluating the need for a ban on spam, due to the number of complain we've been seeing on that for a very long time.

juwaini

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 26-6-2006 11:37 AM


that's why the author has to draw the sufficient connection between that and the investigation. I mean, this story can go anywhere. just like that Saddam Hussein thread we saw the other day. Ha ...

so u want to know my answer?
bush using his so-called 'God revelation' to justify his invasion of iraq and afghan, that doesn't have relation with religion?
people here attack islam as terrorist religion because of 911. still not related with religion?
i think what the thread starter want to emphasize is for us (them..)  to stop blaming islam
yes, maybe they're one or two rotten banana, muslim who are out of the true path...
but please don't burn all banana tree in an orchard because of that...
u get what i mean?

BeanDiesel

Originally posted by juwaini at 6/25/06 07:47 PM


so u want to know my answer?
bush using his so-called 'God revelation' to justify his invasion of iraq and afghan, that doesn't have relation with religion?
people here attack islam as terror ...

That's what I expect from the author of the thread, clearer direction of the discussion. That's the responsibility of the person who opened the thread.

You see, only one person can be the author of a thread. If that one person sets a direction, as the discussion goes on, there may be a few paths/branches heading to the same direction. That's fine.

If others are expected to set the direction, how many directions can we expect? And each direction would have a few branches. It would be virtually impossible to see who's on who's off topic. It may be too messy that people only care about bashing other religion, not to reach any conclusion relevant to the topic.


[ Last edited by  BeanDiesel at 26-6-2006 04:19 AM ]

13Friday

Muslims in a  wider scam did the dirty thing in 911

Originally posted by juwaini at 26-6-2006 11:47 AM


so u want to know my answer?
bush using his so-called 'God revelation' to justify his invasion of iraq and afghan, that doesn't have relation with religion?
people here attack islam as terror ...

Thank you Juwaini for the support.

Actually, It's proven that 'the guilty one' will used that excuse in order to 'kill off' tis kind of thread because they are afraid of the truth!

It's normal;
EVERYONE WISHES TO HAVE TRUTH ON THEIR SIDE, BUT FEW WANT TO BE ON THE SIDE OF THE TRUTH

It's typical of their kind! ....because they luv lifes but afraid of death and judgement day!

juwaini

Originally posted by 13Friday at 26-6-2006 09:22 PM
Muslims in a  wider scam did the dirty thing in 911

proof?
don't just babbling without reasoning...

In photographs below a visual comparison is made:


We can see WTC-1 being destroyed (source: 911 Eyewitness)


We can see a shallow underground nuclear explosion is bursting from the ground.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physic ... df/0510/0510071.pdf
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4731051210315608217

[ Last edited by  Panglima Hitam at 26-6-2006 11:38 PM ]

Why the Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed?
The airplanes did not a have true effect on the destruction of towers; they were needed to give an excuse for odd Orwellian wars at the same time when the USA is turned into a police nation, like the German Third Reich, to some extent. The towers took the impacts of crushing Boeing 767's. The towers were originally built to take impacts of Boeing 707's, which are approximately of the same size and was widely used in the 1970's.
Fires that kindled from the fuel in the planes were too shortlasting and weak to be able to severely damage the structure of the skyscrapers. Even in the extreme situation, the heat from a kerosene fire cannot threat the durability of a steel trunk. With the temperature of carbohydrate fires that reaches only 825 癈 (approx. 1517 癋) steel weakens at 800 癈 (approx. 1470 癋) and melts at 1585 癈 (approx. 2890 癋). In the skyscrapers of the WTC the surroundings were not at all ideal as there were far too many steel columns and they led heat away from the burning area. WTC 1 burned for 102 minutes and WTC 2 for 56 minutes only. A fire burning much longer, from 10 to 20 hours, could slowly increase the burning temperature down to perhaps 1100 癈 (approx. 2010 癋). Provided there is more substance to burn, such a fire will damage concrete and irons, but not severely heavy steel constructions.



In mid-February in Madrid, the Windsor Tower (see above) burned for over 20 hours, which led to a fire stronger and hotter than that in the WTC, but even the collapses of the Windsor Tower caused by the very strong and long-enduring fire were minimal and limited to the upper floors. If either of the WTC tower had started to collapse because of fires the collapse would have been limited to only a few of the floors and then stopped.
The impossibility of a gravitational collapse is closer seen in other documents. A collapse would produce large pieces, and does not explain reports of fine dust from concrete, huge amounts of dust and pieces of steel ejected outwards.

Destruction of the towers by explosions is clear according to the photographs and reports of the eye witnesses. In the picture below, a range of cutting charges have just exploded in the down left sector and a typical white cloud is formed outwards from the wall. Down right, explosions are seen as well. Even a flame is seen.



In video tapes taken of the so-called collapses of the WTC, more explosions of these cutting charges can be seen. The explosions advance quickly, with a gap of a couple of floors, cutting the strong steel pillars in the outer wall. The explosions are timed so that it appears that the tower collapses occur in the same timing as in a gravitational collapse. The explosions are not completely synchronized in timing, probably a few charges are triggered by radio, and other charges explode out of the impulses of one of these charges (infrared, pressure wave).

More challenging problems to the demolition men, however, were the central cores of the buildings and the 47 steel pillars more robust than the ones on the outer rounds. The pillars of the central cores were made of steel even 100 + 100 mm thick, thicker than the side armours of a battle tank. Cutting those, even with explosives, is extremely difficult. One would need to surround the whole pillars, every single pillar on every floor intended to get blasted, with powerful cutting charges. These charges would have needed to be placed in such a way that the users of the skyscrapers could not notice these preparations.

[ Last edited by  Panglima Hitam at 26-6-2006 11:43 PM ]

juwaini

good job
the only thing about u displeased me is because u're chelsea fan
i'm mancunian
man utd...
off topic

As seen in the following pictures, the cores of the towers were not distracted by thousands of powerful cutting charges but by a modern thermonuclear explosive, a small hydrogen bomb. In the picture below, a hydrogen bomb explosion, the bomb having been placed in the cellar and directed to the core, has reached the roof of the tower and the upper parts of the outer walls. On its way up the waves of fire pressure partially penetrated about 100 floors of concrete and steel. Over ten million degrees of heat caused by a hydrogen bomb sublimised all water within the concrete in a moment. Water exploded extremely quickly into 24-fold volume and totally pulverized the concrete. Even people and computers that were in the buildings disappeared turning into heat and light. That is why almost nothing of them was found in the ruins.
Burning radiation is absorbed in steel so quickly that steel heats up immediately over its melting point 1585 癈 (approx. 2890 癋) and above its boiling point around 3000 C (approx. 5430 癋). In the pictures down below, super hot groups of steel pillars and columns, torn from wall by pressure wave, are sublimized. They immediately turn into a vaporized form, binding heat as quickly as possible. Bursts upwards, even visible in the picture below, are not possible for a gravitational collapse or for cutting charges which are used horizontally.





- Storax Sedan 104 Kt shallow underground

In the upper picture the explosion is in theory 100 times stronger than in the picture below, but in practice the difference is only four times due to the capability of direction of the small hydrogen bomb.

Originally posted by juwaini at 26-6-2006 11:43 PM
good job
the only thing about u displeased me is because u're chelsea fan
i'm mancunian
man utd...
off topic

No problemo.... itu small matter.... b'coz Chelsea is eyeing for the hattrik as EPL Champ!

....Ballack is coming and and the Ukranian is coming too...

Manunian... sign sapa?

In the pictureabove, at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking down and the posture straightens up as the hydrogen bomb pulverized the core and it lost all its resistance. The piles point the blasts of the cutting charges.





- Steel pillars are turned into dust. Extremely hot, sublimating pieces are not created with many methods.

For comparison, pictures of subterranean nuclear explosions where the explosion is blasting onto surface and into the air:

- Ess1.2 Kt


- WTC 2


- Banberry 10 Kt underground

Radioactivity in air creates shades of brown. (The subterranean nuke in the picture on the right is 10 times stronger than the small nuke on the left.) This is the reason why the FBI did not search the crime scene. Ground zeros of nuclear weapons are a health risk and belong to the FEMA.

...where they have the idea of the TV series...rescue me!! ....based on a true stories... one of the fireman n family had to move to Miami....wy/why/...:pmuka::pmuka::pmuka:

[ Last edited by  Panglima Hitam at 27-6-2006 12:11 AM ]

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 26-6-2006 11:15 AM

I'm afraid religion can't answer that. You may repost this in History, Myth, Legend or World Events boards.
Thank you.

:pmuka::pmuka: How many candles that BeanDiesel light-up for the 911?

What a joke for an Administration that willing to sacrifice the 'collateral damage' of their own citizens for 'A Few Barrels of IRAQI Oils'

And a scumbag like BeanDiesel support it like a blind hog!! What a dumb***!!!

What is BeanDiesel  counter explaination to the military expert reasoning?

[ Last edited by  Panglima Hitam at 27-6-2006 12:22 AM ]

Originally posted by Panglima Hitam at 27-6-2006 12:07 AM


In the pictureabove, at the right, the brown shades caused by a hydrogen bomb are seen, while the top of the tower that is already collapsing is breaking  ...

In my kampung:lebai:... it is known as a 'controlled explosion'... eleh... you know what...  like the building demolition..... but for 911 of WTC-1, WTC-2 and Building 7 demolition, it's really high tech.... and got this high technology? Osama bin Laden?

What a painful deception???

p/s - U see what a lot of hoo haa when IRAN only centrifuging to enrich the Uranium!!!

:lebai: They think IRAN will behave like them...i.e. will drop bombs all over the places. But why they afraid to drop bombs onto the North Korea?

:pray: B'coz North Korea got WMD and nuclear bombs. But IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN 'do not have WMD'...what a COWARD ASS!!

[ Last edited by  Mat Kampong at 27-6-2006 12:40 AM ]

juwaini

Originally posted by Panglima Hitam at 27-6-2006 12:19 AM



:pmuka::pmuka: How many candles that BeanDiesel light-up for the 911?

What a joke for an Administration that willing to sacrifice the 'collateral damage' of their own citizens for 'A Few B ...

edit this... please...
beandiesel only done his job professionally..
thanks..

off topic - i'm not a glory hunter fan

13Friday

Originally posted by juwaini at 26-6-2006 11:00 PM


proof?
don't just babbling without reasoning...

Muslims praise them for the heroic jihad to down the Americans.