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Bunyi: Boleh pecahkan cermin?

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Post time 7-7-2006 07:45 AM | Show all posts |Read mode


Aku tak pasti betul ke tak... Cuma kalau betul... berapa frekuensi boleh pecahkan cermin? Camner plak kalau dalam notasi muzik? :stp:
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Post time 7-7-2006 07:59 AM | Show all posts
Betul itu betul lah ... memang bunyi boleh memecahkan gelas.

Bunyi pun bergerak secara beralun spt air (dan udara), jadi high frequency sound yg mengetak sesuatu object dlm alunan berterusan akan menyebabkan kesan "hentaman" berterusan sampai menjejaskan struktur atom sesuatu bahan spt gelas.

maaf, tak dpt terangkannya dlm bentuk yg lebih mudah.
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 Author| Post time 7-7-2006 10:54 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Sephiroth at 7-7-2006 07:59 AM
Betul itu betul lah ... memang bunyi boleh memecahkan gelas.

Bunyi pun bergerak secara beralun spt air (dan udara), jadi high frequency sound yg mengetak sesuatu object dlm alunan berterusan ak ...



Tapi kenapa tak berlaku kesan pantulan terhadap gelombang bunyi? Sifat gelas bukan menyerap bunyi kan?.. Mungkin gak pantulan cuma terhad kepada beberapa frekuensi bunyi tertentu... tak tau laa...
Ok ok... kalau kita berada dalam satu bilik... yg ada cuma sebiji gelas minuman atas meja... pastu suruh penyanyi opera menjerit di depan gelas tu... gelas itu pecah gak atau pembelauan gelombang bunyi berlaku?
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Post time 7-7-2006 11:06 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Satria-Naga at 7/6/06 03:45 PM


Aku tak pasti betul ke tak... Cuma kalau betul... berapa frekuensi boleh pecahkan cermin? Camner plak kalau dalam notasi muzik? :stp:


yes, gelombang bunyi boleh pecahkan cermin. setiap body ade resonant frequency sendiri. reconant frequency bergantung pada material  geometry benda tersebut. bile benda tersebut didedahkan terhadap gelombang yang mempunyai frequency yang sama dengan resonant frequency benda tu, benda tu akan bergetar. kalau amplitude dia cukup besar maka benda tu boleh pecah.

kalo ade gitar, boleh cuba experiment ringkas ni menggunakan gitar.
make sure the guitar is accurately tuned.
6th string 5th fret note dia A. open 5th string pon A gak.
now, petik 6th string 5th fret, while biarkan 5th string dan string string lain free.
kalo perhati betul betul, 5th string berbanding 1-4th strings akan bergetar sendiri.
puncanya, petikan 6th string tu menghasilkan resonant wave for the 5th string.
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Post time 7-7-2006 11:12 AM | Show all posts
http://video.google.com/videopla ... mp;q=breaking+glass

link to a mythbuster episode called breaking glass. dorang cuba pecahkan gelas ngan suara, and it worked. but it ain't easy. check it out.
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Post time 7-7-2006 12:10 PM | Show all posts
setiap benda ada natural frequency dia. kalau ada lagi satu frequency dr sumber lain yg coiincide dgn natural frequency benda tu, maka resonan akan berlaku, yg mana amplitud natural frequency tu akan berganda yg mungkin boleh merosakkan benda tu.
sama concept macam jambatan runtuh sebab frequency, cth: org berkawad serentak atas jambatan, atau tiupan angin.
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Post time 7-7-2006 01:36 PM | Show all posts
by Satria-Naga   

Tapi kenapa tak berlaku kesan pantulan terhadap gelombang bunyi? Sifat gelas bukan menyerap bunyi kan?.. Mungkin gak pantulan cuma terhad kepada beberapa frekuensi bunyi tertentu... tak tau laa...
Ok ok... kalau kita berada dalam satu bilik... yg ada cuma sebiji gelas minuman atas meja... pastu suruh penyanyi opera menjerit di depan gelas tu... gelas itu pecah gak atau pembelauan gelombang bunyi berlaku?


Ada satu teori mengatakan yg semua benda di alam ini sentiasa bergerak dan tidak ada yg dlm keadaan pegun. Pergerakan tersebut hasil dr tenaga yg diterima oleh atom2 dlm sesuatu bahan - dr benda kecil spt pasir sampailah benda2 besar spt Planet.

Oleh itu, bila suatu tenaga dihentamkan kerana atom2 yg bergerak ini, maka atom2 itu akan menyerap tenaga dr tenaga tersebut (mungkin berlaku pantulan juga tetapi yg pasti ada tenaga yg akan diserap kerana utk berlaku pantulan, perlu ada penyerapan sampai satu tahap yg tidak mampu diserap lalu dipantulkan).

Tenaga yg diserap ini akan meningkatkan tahap gegaran dlm atom maka terhasil kesan2 spt udara menjadi panas, cahaya terhasil, bunyi kedengaran, telinga jadi pekak tuli dsbnya.

Tetapi apa akan terjadi bila sejumlah tenaga yg tinggi di hentamkan terus menerus kearah sesuatu bahan sampai tahap pantulan dia tetapi terus juga dihentam oleh tenaga tersebut. Atom2 tersebut akan terus bergeak sampai satu tahap, ia akan terlerai dr structur dia dan retakan berlaku.
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Post time 7-7-2006 02:33 PM | Show all posts
tiupan sangkakala....
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 Author| Post time 7-7-2006 05:19 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Sephiroth at 7-7-2006 01:36 PM
by Satria-Naga   

Tapi kenapa tak berlaku kesan pantulan terhadap gelombang bunyi? Sifat gelas bukan menyerap bunyi kan?.. Mungkin gak pantulan cuma terhad kepada beberapa frekuensi bunyi terte ...



Ok... timer kasih atas penjelasan pjg lebar. Cuma lagi best kalau dpt tau frekuensi (atau mungkin bergantung pd faktor2 lain). Maksudnya tenaga gelombang bunyi ni kuat gak sampai boleh memecah satu jasad yg kuat ikatan atom/molekul jasad tu... Agaknya kalau dikira dalam unit Joule... berapa agaknya?
Sesaper lagi nak terangkan dipersilakan... :tq:
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Post time 8-7-2006 09:01 AM | Show all posts
by Satria-Naga   

Ok... timer kasih atas penjelasan pjg lebar. Cuma lagi best kalau dpt tau frekuensi (atau mungkin bergantung pd faktor2 lain). Maksudnya tenaga gelombang bunyi ni kuat gak sampai boleh memecah satu jasad yg kuat ikatan atom/molekul jasad tu... Agaknya kalau dikira dalam unit Joule... berapa agaknya?
Sesaper lagi nak terangkan dipersilakan...


Maaf, mustahil utk mengetahui frequensi2 tersebut kerana ianya berlainan.

Ingat lagi tak saya kata semua benda di alam ini sentiasa dlm keadaan bergerak? Kadar (atau frequensi) pergerakan mereka berbeza antara satu sama lain kerana tahap tenaga serta kekuatan ikatan atom masing2 dlm strucktur mereka.

Air contohnya adalah contoh sesuai. Ia ada structur dia sendiri dgn dua hidrogen dan satu oxygen. Bila dpt tenaga (spt kerana kepanasan bahang matahari), ikatan ini akan terlerai, oxygen akan pecah dan naik ke atas (hidrogen juga) mungkin dlm bentuk stim. Di kawasan sejuk di atas atmosphere, mereka ini akan kehilangan tenaga berlebihan dan bentuk semula air dan turun kembali sbg hujan.

Batu bata pun ada frequensi dia sendiri tetapi tahap ikatan atom dia kuat sampai atom2 dia tak mudah pecah. Pecah pun jadi butilan kecil shj.
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Post time 8-7-2006 09:58 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Satria-Naga at 7/7/06 01:19 AM
Maksudnya tenaga gelombang bunyi ni kuat gak sampai boleh memecah satu jasad yg kuat ikatan atom/molekul jasad tu... Agaknya kalau dikira dalam unit Joule... berapa agaknya?


yeah, in reality, not just the frequency, the amplitude of the wave is also important to cause such structural failure. and yes, if anything else is constant, the higher amplitude means higher energy.
But how many Joules of energy is generally required to break something is impossible to tell. it depends on the damping as well. like, if you have the same source of sound energy, and expose it to two glasses, one is not really damped, and the other one is highly damped (like, covered by foam ke), the damped glass may not break.

so, there's no way to tell what unique frequency and amplitude will break every glass. it varies.
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Post time 8-7-2006 10:00 AM | Show all posts
just to add, you dont necessarily need to vibrate something to its resonant frequency to break it. if you vibrate it with big enough amplitude it may break too. but, with the same amplitude, resonant frequency may cause more damage (makes the thing vibrates more violently).
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 Author| Post time 8-7-2006 12:37 PM | Show all posts


Ok... thanks...
Credits to both of you!

P/s : Mod tolong digest thread ni... takut dlm masa 2,3 minggu ni aku tertinggal...
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Post time 9-7-2006 10:51 PM | Show all posts
bila tengok Mythbuster kat Discovery channel baru caya.

[ Last edited by  boss.ika at 9-7-2006 10:52 PM ]
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Post time 12-7-2006 09:44 AM | Show all posts

salam..

i 've read in the READERS' Digest somewhere that it could shatter CRYSTAl ...sama ker with glass...any clarification...
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Post time 12-7-2006 10:59 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by mbhcsf at 7/11/06 05:44 PM
i 've read in the READERS' Digest somewhere that it could shatter CRYSTAl ...sama ker with glass...any clarification...


theoretically, anything brittle can be shattered if exposed to a wave with high enough amplitude especially at its resonant frequency.

p/s: did it mention what type of crystal?
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Post time 12-7-2006 12:54 PM | Show all posts
by mbhcsf   

i 've read in the READERS' Digest somewhere that it could shatter CRYSTAl ...sama ker with glass...any clarification...  

Crystals biasanya kurang tumpat berbandingkan dgn gelas. Kalau pegang Crystal and gelas, kamu boleh agak yg mana satu crystal dan mana satu gelas hanya dgn bandingkan beratnya.

Crystals ini biasa dibuat utk gelas wain, lampu chandier dll manakala gelas pula ada juga diperkuatkan sampaai mampu tahan suhu tinggi, mampu tahan benda spt peluru (bullet proof glass) dan di gunakan utk cermin2 bangunan tinggi (yg tidak mudah pecah). Jadi kalau dibandingkan ketumpatan gelas dan crystals, crystals lebih mudah pecah akibat bunyi.
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Post time 12-7-2006 10:48 PM | Show all posts

hmm...

Originally posted by BeanDiesel at 12-7-2006 10:59 AM


theoretically, anything brittle can be shattered if exposed to a wave with high enough amplitude especially at its resonant frequency.

p/s: did it mention what type of crystal?

how about the principle of ultra sound and its application in medicine?  especially during the scanning session i know that the human tissues will absorb the sound and hard tissue could be reflected etc...but still why it did not shatter a baby , kan?
ultra sound  meands high frequency kan?


oh ya  there had been few serious megastructures damage kan asa result of neglecting this resonant frequency and  structures like bridge etc....
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Post time 13-7-2006 08:27 AM | Show all posts
What you think babies are? Crystals? :stp:

Human bodies have tissues and fats, along with muscles and such, so this matters are different in made of structure. so, if something is effected in one part of the body, others remain uneffected. Like your ear drums which could rupture upon loud noise and such.
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Post time 13-7-2006 12:57 PM | Show all posts
wonder what would the physiotherapist expected when they are doing ultra sound scan on the patella....
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