Apa itu NORMAL, apa yang TIDAK?

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Jika anda mengkritik keganjilan perbuatan seseorang itu, 'Oh, itu tidak normal!'
Mungkin teman anda setuju. Tetapi teman-teman mungkin berkongsi
bias tentang sesuatu. Standard yang kita letak pada orang lain berkaitan
umur, jantina @ posisi sosiol menyukarkan meletakkan sempadan hakiki
kelakuan normal @ tidak normal ini.

Diagnosis yang tidak tepat boleh menyebabkan stigma sosiol dan
penolakan berbaur bias kepada sesorang yang disalahanggap @ salahterima itu.

ajinomotonosuga

normal is what majority agreed in action

abnormal is the minority in action

assuming the number of ppl is fixed.

mbhcsf

depending on several aspects actually

1) the context of a person's experience. This is important

a) symptoms of a disease  
what 's normal for person A does not necessarily mean the same implies to C or B
it is what would be the "sudden and perceive" changes in ones bodily function that is considered abnormal to the person that a doc needs to explore

another example
buzzing in the ear ( tinnitus) - a normal ( large number of people in the normal pops ) would not be hearing the buzzing sound in the ear but if a person have this and  then explained that he never had this in the past , it is considered as a new symptoms. This is when the symptom is considered abnormal


another example"
facial dysmorphism / abnormalities . NI kena be really damn careful
do not just simply said that that kid is having FUNNY LOOKING FACE without seeing the parents. oh ya it happened in medical settings ...haa..ni sesiapa  dealiing with kids must be extra cautious.
Look at the parents and then decide.

another example
a kind of  facial characteristics of  i dunno say a genetically inherited diasease and the parents are considered having "normal" facial features, then u couild say that this  child is having facial dysmorphism

DEVIANT from NORMALITY

what Aji has said.

Example

a) Affect disorder depression

many of us having depression but it is just undiagnosed , again the tip of theiceberg principals applied here
but ..this is borderline case as far as the impact of the depression is concerned to ones psychological well being like if it leads to suicidal act THEN  IT IS VERY ABNORMAL

b) if the person is seing, hearing, whatever things that nobody could sense through their senses then IT IS ABNORMAL -  hallucination / aka pyschosis would likely to  emerge in this way

and in the world of psychiatry nih - the culture factor would be essentially important to consider.like my example of psychosis, u need to consider that there is aother culture  that practice voodoo etc and it os not fair to deem this people are abnormal as when they are in trance state - so
in psychiatry  the "OUT OF KEEPING" in terms of one's culture need to be focus.


language development again as Aji would said - it is abnormal when a 4 year old child is able to say 30 words in his / her receptive vocabulary - this is a total deviant from the norms...


again , u have to consider this, if  a person belongs to a particular age group is reacting / behaving / rather differently than  ( see i use the norms populations / target age group) most individuals  belong to this group would be acting / reacting / in a  particular way in a given situation,  the u found a person is reacting rather differently, u would be concerned . THE KEYWORD IS CONCERNED.need to explore the psychosocial issues for deatils lah ni.
like a 22 year old would not be playing barbie dolls alone in a room, kan, unless she is having learning difficulties etc ?

in paeds banyak case lah on this issues

if the child would nit be able to walk at 18 months well it will be the CAUSE For concerned...if achild would not be walking at 23 months lagilah concern becoz u  would what aji called as the MAJORITY of children, toddlers would walk at the age between 10 - 18 months

wallahuallam.

[ Last edited by  mbhcsf at 1-3-2008 04:01 PM ]

batman_2007

apa yg org kata tak sempurna sebanrnya normal di kaca mata org lain..
bagi aku ini sebenarnya bergantung pada perihal pandangan masing2..
kalau ikut majoriti ..kalau tak normal so crowd pun kata tak normal..
tapi dalam pada tak normal tu..ada sifat normal bg org lain..
jd disini bergantung pd indivu lah..

my-alja

bergantung pd crowd yg kita masuk...

dlm crowd elite...mungkin tak normal kalo depa pakai baju pasar malam

dlm crowd pasal malam....tak normal plak, kalo sanggup beli baju ribu-raban...

jadi rasanya, selagi tak melanggar batas2 agama...is OK to be abnormal

mbhcsf

eh Alja- kalau ikut batas batas agama mmg org tu normal macam mana abnormal pulak kalau org tu ikut batasan agama?

my-alja

Originally posted by mbhcsf at 2-3-2008 12:34 PM
eh Alja- kalau ikut batas batas agama mmg org tu normal macam mana abnormal pulak kalau org tu ikut batasan agama?

kalo ikut batas agama....tak salah kalo tak jadi elite, jadi tak perlu jadi elite kalo taknak

kalo ikut batas agama....tak salah kalo perigi carik timba, jadi jadilah perigi yg jadi timba

mbhcsf

oh o..hmm another interpretation of normality , haa nampak tak kena tengok konteks budaya dan agama , kan? so actually konsep normaliti ni luas.

oh kalau i bagi cth yg budak 22 tahun yg main Barbie doll cakap cakap lagik tu like a 2 year old cam ner?

apa pendapat you?
hhehheh

wow u guna elite word? why? this i interesting..

my-alja

elite?...hahahha..i selalu refer this group yg selalu dinner sana-sini aje hidup depa ...ada satu majalah prestige (i baru tahu)..memang utk this group of people...

baju bukan setakat branded tapi semuanya designer collections...tak boleh imagime myself duk dlm kelompok sebegini...

so for me, defination of normality is depends on the group we are in

mbhcsf

oh you mean Tattlers ker? or HELLO ahaks hello tu bersepah kat UNIKEB, Safeways, corner stores, SAinsbury, tesco?? ahaks ahaks....hmm Alja - depa last last pun dok kat 6 feet down under....so well ...I leave it to that. depa mampu dan depa berada dalam kelompok tu well okay ...i do not have issues.

ni , macam mana kalau group tu hahaha  yg involves dalam ketagih dadah, dan seseorang tu pun penagih dadah, normal ke tak???
tapi faktor agama dah defined ni tak normal ( deviant) okay gak..i dah jawab sendiri.

my-alja

i have nothing against them too ... just being abnormal bcos i'm not in that group

ussopp

care ful....theres a standard "piawai"

and it is religion.

you can be normal and abnormal as you want but make sure  it is not against God command....

naden

kalau secara generalnya, 'tak normal' tu macam satu kelakuan, pemikiran, cara, nilai, budaya, atau pegangan yg berlainan, berlawanan, bercanggah, menyalahi, bertentangan atau terpesong daripada kelakuan, pemikiran, cara, nilai, budaya, pegangan atau kebiasaan sesebuah kumpulan, kelompok, masyarakat, atau pihak majoriti..

sebagai contoh (yg mudah) kita yg masyarakat melayu-malaysia ni.. kalau ada individu atau kelompok kecik yg 'berpegangan' (contohnya) punk.. kita akan anggap mereka (kelompok kecik) tu 'tak normal'.. sbb ia berlainan/berlawanan dgn cara & pegangan kita.. tapi sebaliknya - kalau kita (sebagai seorang individu) yg masuk ke dalam kawasan kumpulan punk tu - kita yg akan dianggap sebagai 'tak normal'.. secara asas & mudahnya camtu la.. kan?

rasanya, selain daripada kelakuan, pemikiran, cara atau pegangan; ada faktor besar yg lain yg menguatkan tanggapan 'tak normal' ni - iaitu adat & agama.. itu rasanya faktor terbesar & penentu yg paling asas..

tapi selalunya, ada antara orang2/kumpulan yg 'tak normal' anggap mereka tu SPECIAL & UNIK..
mungkin mereka memang tahu ianya 'tak normal'.. tapi tak tau apa alasan mereka untuk teruskannya..
maybe kekeliruan.. untuk menarik perhatian.. atau mungkin membuktikan/men-demand sesuatu..
entah.. 1001 sebab, faktor & alasan..

mbhcsf

aah Naden, seperti kes kes gender dysphoria tu ker? yg always trapped ni ker

naden

gender dysphoria? ishhh..

kalau fikir pakai kepala lutut pun mmg tau yg diorang ni 'tak normal'..
well.. maybe diorang gunakan alasan 'alwez trapped', hormones, proses membesar,
didikan, kebiasaan, pergaulan, pengaruh, kepercayaan, etc..
alasan2 yg saintifik la konon2nya kan.. biasanya camtu la..
camne fikir pun - apa juga alasan/faktor - semuanya terpulang pada empunya diri
nak berubah? nak diubah? nak mengubah? atau lawan whatever-so-called-hormones tu..

tak normal dari sudut apa? masyarakat.. agama.. bangsa.. FITRAH manusia itu sendiri..
juz not right, kan? mengubah apa yg dah ditentukan - entah untuk apa sebenarnya..
yg jadi 'masalah' nya, golongan ni mungkin anggap mereka betul, berhak & berbangga kerananya..

err.. ni juz pasal trans ke, atau termasuk pasal homoseksual sekali ni? ishhh..

tapinya kebiasaan masyarakat kita yg lebih suka mencemuh daripada membantu
golongan ni perlukan bantuan sebenarnya - seriously - mentally & spiritually..
ada yg nak berubah & kembali - tapi selalunya 'orang kita' ni lebih suka menilai & menjatuh hukum
xpayah amik contoh golongan trans ni.. tengok aje golongan mat lembut atau tomboy
camana persepsi & reaksi 'orang kita'?

ajinomotonosuga

Originally posted by ussopp at 3-3-2008 07:53 AM
care ful....theres a standard "piawai"

and it is religion.

you can be normal and abnormal as you want but make sure  it is not against God command....

dont write nonsense lah ..apa piawai u name it as agama tu? syarak? syarat? ketetapan? syariah? peraturan? apa???

kalo apply apa ko tulis tu..takdok karyawan agung , takdok pencipta agung dalam dunia islam macam di andalusia dulu..

jangan fitnah agama!  Islam adalah agama kebebasan..no compulsion in religion..nak apa lagi? BEBAS.

mana mungkin lahir kretiviti, mana mungkin rasa kekuatan kuasa pencipta dengan anugerah AKAL ko tempel 'piawai', langsung memfitnah agama

u buleh duduk dalam penjara yang terang tapi kalo u di ikat oleh kejahilan, terang tadak makna
u buleh di penjara dalam bilik yang gelap tapi kalo u BEBAS...insyallah u mendapat terang yang benar.

kebebasan adalah hak asasi setiap kelahiran.

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uiks...garangnya...

betol tu...sempadan...thin line between right and wrong...should be religion...not culture...not the mouth of others...PURE religion...

Mansairaku

reminds me of my q on people pushing other people's button and buat tak tau ...

Trivia:  Chris from Project Runway 4 was critized for his "disturbing" decision to use "real human hair" for his designs.  Chris's argument = aren't fur and leather from dead animals?  .... (interesting if put in such a way)