Adakah Anda Seorang Vegetarian?

barleygreen2u

Adakah Anda Seorang Vegetarian? Kalau Ya,
1. Adakah Anda Mengamalkan Vegetarian Disebabkan Ajaran Buddah? atau
2. Anda Mengamalkan Vegetarian kerana rasa makan sayur adalah lebih sihat?

Adakah anda ada resipi sayuran vegetarian yang boleh kongsi?

tickmeoff

Kedua-dua ada asasnya.

Tapi kalau mau tau resipi, saya rasa kat forum masak-masak tempatnya, kan?

chickenking1

saya suka makan daging ... yummy

tickmeoff

http://www.meat.org/

not to scare you, but i think you should know how the meat on your table comes about.

Anicca

I only eat "food". not to specify meat or veges.

think of eating meat will cause bad kamma, I'm strongly suggest you to find the source of the veges too.

Buddha has permits his disciple to eat 3 types of meat, which 3?

1. not served purposely for me,
2. not heard or seeing when it dies,
3. not doubt it dies because of me.

other than of three, are not permited to eat, in the vinaya pitaka, there is  human meat, elephant meat, horse meat, wolf meat, snake meat, lion meat, tiger meat, & leopard meat are strictly banned to eat.

The Buddha's View on Meat Eating (Introductory) Bhante Dhammavuddho

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tickmeoff

I find it quite sad something certain buddhists attack Theravada tradition just because of meat eating. I don't think they know the Real Dhamma.

To them, being a buddhist is

1. chanting mantra
2. vegetarianism

I think being a noble disciple of the Buddha is more than just these. We need to cultivate our mind, to listen to dhamma, to associate with good people, to meditate, to increase wisdom, to reduce hatred/greed/delusion in DAILY life. In another words, being a buddhist is about improving oneself, bringing the best out of oneself.

Anicca

First of all, for Mahayana Buddhist or yogi, they are not allowed to know/read their Sangha vinaya(Monastic code) which inside have no such rules to state that, eating meat is not allowed. Thus, there is some later sutras to support on such statement.

Not to eat meat was an idea expressed by the Devadatta, the Buddha's cousin, to make provoke on the shangha.But it's been disapproved by the Buddha.

There is a good sutta out there to describe about point of eating meat  in the Sutta Nipata by Buddha Kassapa & a Brahmin.

[ Last edited by  Anicca at 25-6-2008 11:38 PM ]

tickmeoff

Thanks linhann, can you quote me the sutta to read about meat eating?

Anicca

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Discourses

Āmagandha Sutta

The ascetic Tissa addressed the Buddha Kassapa

[/td][/tr][tr][td] 1. Millet, cingula beans and peas, edible leaves and roots, the fruit of any creeper; the virtuous who eat these, obtained justly, do not tell lies out of sensuous delight.
2. O Kassapa, you who eat any food given by others, which is well-prepared, nicely arranged, pure and appealing; he who enjoys such food made with rice, eats [rotting flesh that emits a] stench.
3. O brahmin, although you say that the charge of stench does not apply to you whilst eating rice with well-prepared fowl, yet I inquire the meaning of this from you: of what kind is your stench?
4. The Buddha Kassapa: Taking life, beating, wounding, binding, stealing, lying, deceiving, worthless knowledge, adultery; this is stench. Not the eating of meat.
5. In this world those individuals who are unrestrained in sensual pleasures, who are greedy for sweet things, who are associated with impure actions, who are of nihilistic views, [which are] crooked and difficult to follow, this is stench. Not the eating of meat.
6. In this world those who are rude, arrogant, backbiting, treacherous, unkind, excessively egoistic, miserly, and do not give anything to anybody; this is stench. Not the eating of meat.
7. Anger, pride, obstinacy, antagonism, deceit, envy, boasting, excessive egoism, association with the immoral; this is stench. Not the eating of meat.
8. Those who are of bad morals, refuse to pay their debts, slanderous, deceitful in their dealings, pretentious, those who in this world, being the vilest of men, commit such wrong things; this is stench. Not the eating of meat.
9. Those persons who, in this world, are uncontrolled towards living beings, who are bent on injuring others, having taken their belongings; immoral, cruel, harsh, disrespectful; this is stench. Not the eating of meat.
10. Those who attack these living beings either out of greed or of hostility and are always bent upon evil, go to darkness after death, and fall headlong into woeful states; this is stench. Not the eating of meat.
11. Abstaining from fish and meat, nakedness, shaving of the head, matted hair, smearing with ashes, wearing rough deerskins, attending the sacrificial fire; none of the various penances in the world performed for unhealthy ends, neither incantations, oblations, sacrifices nor seasonal observances, purify a person who has not overcome his doubts.
12. He who lives with his senses guarded and conquered and is established in the Dhamma, delights in uprightness and gentleness; who has gone beyond attachments and has overcome all sorrows; that wise man does not cling to what is seen and heard.
13. Thus the Buddha Kassapa preached this again and again. That ascetic who was well-versed in the [Vedic] hymns understood it. The sage who is free from defilements, non-attached and difficult to follow, uttered this [discourse] in beautiful stanzas.
14. Thus having listened to the well-spoken words of the Buddha who is free from defilements, which end all misery, he worshipped the Tathāgāta with humble mind and requested to be admitted into the Order at that very place.

(Sutta Nipāta, Hammalawa Saddhātissa, Curzon Press)

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Commentary to the Āmagandha Sutta

Where was the Āmagandha Sutta taught? By whom was it taught, and to whom? The commentary to a Sutta often adds important information about the context in which the teaching was given. Out of context, some discourses can easily be misunderstood.
The commentary traces the origin of this sutta to a period before the appearance of Buddha Gotama. A Brahmin named Āmagandha led the life of a hermit along with five hundred disciples. They lived in the Himalayan foot hills where they had a hermitage and lived on forest fruits and roots. They abstained completely from fish and meat. Due to a deficiency of salt in their diet, all of the hermits suffered from jaundice. For this reason they went to a border village to beg for salt and vinegar. Being warmly invited by the villagers who respectfully provided them with almsfood, they spent four months a year in dwellings built by the villagers.
Then the Buddha arose in the world and after setting in motion the Wheel of the Dhamma, he arrived at Sāvatthi after some years. While residing there, the Buddha saw these hermits in his divine eye and realised that they had the necessary perfections for the attainment of Arahantship. Accordingly, the Buddha went to the village where they stayed for four months of the year, and taught the Dhamma to the villagers. The villagers became Stream-winners, Once-returners, and Non-returners, while a few of them entered the Sangha and became Arahants.
When the hermits led by Āmagandha came to the village to seek salt as usual, they noticed a conspicuous change in the behaviour of the villagers. The villagers no longer greeted them with the great excitement that they had shown previously. Amāgandha asked whether there was a famine, or if they had been punished by the king, or whether there was some fault in the conduct of the hermits to explain the transformation of the village. The villagers told him about the arrival of the Buddha, whose teaching of the Dhamma they had heard, and from which they had all benefited immensely. When the hermit Āmagandha heard the word 揃uddha,

finalstrifer

Buddha has permits his disciple to eat 3 types of meat, which 3?
1. not served purposely for me,
2. not heard or seeing when it dies,
3. not doubt it dies because of me.

this is of my opinion

"if i have the permit to eat the type of meat which is not served purposely for me, where is this meat to come from?"

in this world there is no such thing as meat not served purposely for the consumers." its business~ ". as the chinese says~



"if i have the permit to eat the meat if i have not heard or seeing it when it dies, where can i obtain this meat?"

scientifically, sound travels a long way. just that the amplitude of the sound wave becomes insignificant and distorted, unabling our ears to actually process it. we do hear it, but just a silent whisper. XD



"if i have the permit to eat the meat if the animal has not doubt that it dies because of me, please give me this meat"

read my 1st opinion~ butchers kill because u wan them to kill so that u can have meat.

tickmeoff

Let's examine taking vegetarian diet then. The farmers have to use pesticides to kill the vermin from all levels of the production...

Because of our demands for vegetables, farmers will plant. They have to use pesticides to increase production and yield. So, farmers kill because we want them to kill so that we can have vegetables on our plate.

now, is this plausible? think about it.

If we drive car, having know that by driving we may kill beings such as insects on the road, then we shouldn't drive any more car and stay at home.

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finalstrifer

that is why buddha encourages his students to sit n meditate n not move around too much~

tickmeoff

in meditation, we are not encourage to move so much not because we want to avoid killing insects, but for us to be mindful of our posture and to see suffering which is removed by changing of posture.

SkyHuge

Sebenarnya bukan semestinya penganut agama buddha perlunya vegetarian... Yang penting, hati perlulah iklhas.

finalstrifer

hehe~~~

buddhism failed you if you learn it and not become a vegetarian~~
for it clearly meant well that one in anyway should not do harm to any other life~~
and taking in meat = supporting killing~~



not hard to become vegetarian anyway~~
just think sumthing like the 5 times a day prayers of our brother muslims~~
we just need to take in 3 meals of vegetables only wat~~
heck its alot easier ~~

tickmeoff

If being a buddhist is just all about being vegetarian, and if you think this works for you, then I am very happy for you.

[ Last edited by  tickmeoff at 5-9-2008 02:16 PM ]

Sephiroth

Eating vegetable is easy. Do as I do.

Every day, eat less and less meat. After a week, just eat one dish with meat per week. Soon one dish per month. Then just stop completely. Very easy.

Vegetable is good for the body, you can grow your own food at the backyard and it will help you to take up one of the Buddha's Precept.

You do good for yourself and others (lifeforms). Good karma.

tickmeoff

I have nothing against vegetarianism, and I don't find it hard at all to be a vegetarian. I prefer vegetarian food than meat. It is also more eco friendly to be vegetarian. I am pro vegetarianism.  However, I am just pointing out that Buddhists should not have a 'holier than thou' attitude towards other people just because they are not vegetarians.

[ Last edited by  tickmeoff at 12-9-2008 09:50 AM ]

Sephiroth

Originally posted by tickmeoff at 12-9-2008 09:47 AM
I have nothing against vegetarianism, and I don't find it hard at all to be a vegetarian. I prefer vegetarian food than meat. It is also more eco friendly to be vegetarian. I am pro vegetarianism ...

One does not become "holier than thou" just because one have stop consuming meat. If such person has such attitude, it is merely his ego.

Need to remember, in this World, not everyone can possibly become Vegetarian (yet). In some places like the Deserts around the World or the North and South Pole where there are little places to grow vegetables, people required to take up meat diet to sustain themselves. This is not something they attended but something that they are forced to accept (unless they want to move to another region).

Maybe in the future, Science and Technology could provide ways where people could plant and harvest vegetables and fruits in greenhouse-like structures in deserts and cold places. One can only Hope.

PS : For those who have "holier than thou" attitude due to their vegetarian diet, remember this - in pursuit of vegetables and fruits for your consumption, you too forced to kill microboes and small lifeforms like snails and bugs.

SONofODIN

There is a Vajrayana Temple in China that serves delicious beef. Yummy yummy. I like that.