匥ARISMA

seribulan

Ramai yang tersilap menyangka karisma adalah memokus kepada diri sendiri, bercakap banyak dan memakai pakaian yang bersesuaian. Tetapi individu berkarisma adalah orang yang selesa dan yakin pada diri dan memokus masa dan tenaga kepada orang lain匸/color]

redsinner

i have to say, i have met a lot of people with shown confidence in themselves, very comfortable and attentive to those around him.
handsomeness is not necessary but people with charisma does have excellent body language!

seribulan

and those with handsomeness have narcissus attitude...those without, have to do extra effort in other area...but we can still see cases of vice-versa...

my-alja

i pernah jumpa budak umur 6 thn yg penuh KARISMA pemimpin....

bezanya dgn ordinary child...when he talks, people listen to him

bulan, adakah ianya  inborn quality?

dutchy

karisma = the elusive X-factors as always mentioned by the media

or is karisma the aura that comes forth from being comfortable in our skin, and as such we projected a kind of positive atitute that makes others takes a double take when we crossed path, or makes them sit up and pays attention to what we've to inpart?

ajinomotonosuga

only dead ppl have charisma

my-alja

What抯 their secret? What do they have that most people don抰? It抯 called 卌harisma

hamizao

Hmmmm....... it's the quality in a person that makes him/her capable of influencing others. They are usually good speakers like Soekarno, Hitler...Today, many associate iconic figures as charismatic as well. Generally, they are simply "attractive "...having good body language, speech etc all emitting qood aura.

In the olden days charisma is said to be a divine gift somewhat superhuman and was a basis of leadership. Hmmm, could it be that "daulat" thing that the Malays refer to?

redsinner

interesting bang aji...

care to entice us with your elaboration?

redsinner

i agree by your points of having charisma embedded in your body.
people will certainly notice you straightaway. just so mesmerizing isn't it?  

redsinner

i think in my own interpretation, 'daulat' refers to the power the ruler has as a representative of God.
this can be explored more in a book by Karen Amstrong, History of Myth.

its not charisma because daulat is something thats given. (ie God's trust to the ruler)
charisma is obtained and owned by an individual.

hmm.....ok tak? just my 2cents

ajinomotonosuga

daulat merely wishes come true..not charisma laaa

charisma is the energy , by it ownself

harimau mati tinggalkan belang
manusia mati tinggalkan nama

simply evoke the name..the charisma oozing out of nowhere

hitler dah mati 50 taun lebih ..tapi why ppl still talk about this dead dude? sebab energy never dead..and this energy is charisma

kita mati..tapi IDEA wont die with us..this what we called idea, memes, superintelligence musti ada nilai charisma

look at the word carefully..charisma..it is preceded with term Char/acter , in simple word..the deed done thru this person will evoke other person energy (emotion)..tak kira la oang tu merely diammmmmm saja pun..tak cakap apa..cam tunggul

pada saya this kind of person is always in the highest altitude of thinking, dalam otak depa tu..ligat mengalahkan kilat laju nya so the energy produced terlalu powerful..and yet the same time..dia boleh menten COOL HEADED..so conscious dia highest altitude, subconscious dia pun highest altitude..so dia tak gila..dia tau apa dia buat.walo for destruction macam Hitler tu.

sebab itu kita ada selalu cerita bab MARTYDOM...seolah2 mati tu nanti menjadikan seseorang itu IMMORTAL, HERO, LAGENDA sepanjang zaman. Manusia macam tu memang tak takut mati..malah macam seolah depa CARI MATI. Ini buktikan karektor berani yang optimum, tak takut mati..so seolah idup depa tu dan mati..sama jek dah level. tu sebab saya cakap only dead ppl have charisma. makna dia idup dia sendiri dia dah tak kisah, hidup dia untuk orang lain..kita amik contoh Hitler pun boleh..tenguk akhirnya dia bunuh diri..kenapa? Sebab dia actually fikir dah lama mati bila sebabkan dunia berperang tu dia kata buat untuk bangsa aryan german. Orang ada karisma cintakan mati lebih dari hidup..so now kita faham camna dulu tentera Islam ramai ada karisma, dan berani PADA KEADAAN YANG SEPATUTNYA..sebab ketua depa pun macam tuh..ramai mati syahid dalam tegakkan syiar Islam.

budak kecik memang boleh ada karisma walo umur 6 taun..tapi nanti macam KARTUN ler.. pasal orang2 tua yang sepatut DEVELOP karisma tu duk sibuk itu ini untuk anak macam tu..macam oang mesia kalut pasal adi putra.

kalo penting sangat budak kecik tu karisma..lama dah umuq 6 taun nabi kita tu pi berdakwah sana sini..pasai pa dia kene tunggu umur 40 taun?

it is not about having charisma embedded in ur body laaa.. it is all about DEVELOPING characters. Good character maksud i

it is all about jihad as said in Islam. those development is called jihad or the struggle for excellenc in character. Sebab itu in islam, nabi tu di turunkan untuk perlihatkan CONTOH TERBAIK..he , Muhammad s.a.w. , the messenger of Allah swt, is the best example of charisma for all beings to follow.

the best of creation is human being, and the best human is our prophet..so bodoh lah saya nak tenguk lain.. kan? so kalo saya nak develop charisma saya..saya pi selidik semua cerita berkenaan siapa itu Muhammad bin Abdullah bin Abdul Muttalib ini?
dia dah wafat..dah meninggal dunia tapi charisma dia lingering on tak? aura dia, energy dia tu..masih terasa tak?

kalo misal tun mahathir mati hari ini..50 taun akan datang, ada oang sebut pasal dia dan cerita pasal mahathir tak?

So there is nothing pelik or special pun pasal charisma ni..sama macam isu genius or the others 'phenomenon' seme tuh. U kene ada goal or purpose. U kene ada characters tertentu untuk mencapai matlamat itu. Nothing can hold u back or deny u.

tapi kita sini..masuk forum cari ni pun kita tak tau apa matlamat kita..macam mana nak kenai charisma

ajinomotonosuga

Originally posted by seribulan at 14-3-2008 07:34 PM

Ramai yang tersilap menyangka karisma adalah memokus kepada diri sendiri, bercakap banyak dan memakai pakaian yang bersesuaian. Tetapi individu berkarisma adalah orang yang selesa dan yakin pa ...

statement camni mengelirukan..sebab?

seolah kata orang berkarisma tu tau dia ada karisma..macam dia ada Taming Sari.

oang karisma ni mudah kata..goal oriented person sepanjang umur dia ok? dia ada tujuan or matlamat..dia take action dan dia pastikan success..kalo mati..so be it , so kire idup dia ni kira dah mati gitu..ni kadang2 oang ada karisma ni bleh jadi self destructive malah dia tarik sama society tu hancus bila society angkat dia jadi idola or ketua or sultan depa.

so u need another side , what we called 'the good side', ni jenis2 macam nabi dan sahabat nabi seme tu..kira depa bleh control bab nafsu yang ajak ke arah destruction dan lawan napsu so pastikan any charismatic action tu gearing towards sejahtera semua termasuk diri dia

so diri dia tu jadi piawaian, always self aware..kalo dia makan tak sedap..dia tak kasik oang lain makan makanan tu..conscience gitu.  Tapi dunia moden cam laa ni..kalo dia makan sedap..dia pastikan oang lain makan tak sedap, so selama itu akan semua yang bodoh tu lonjak dia as ketua or idola. Ni bukan karisma tapi propaganda hihihihihi

contoh mudah, Hang Tuah ada karisma tapi Hang Jebat tu ada propaganda (karisma towards destruction). Ni sebab saya nak pastikan bahwa karisma or tenaga itu hanya untuk kebaikan semua sekali pun oang tu mati.contoh Hang Tuah pasrah di hukum bunuh, tak per pada dia..kalo itu untuk kebaikan semua malah itu isu taat dia pada Sultan yang bebal tuh.

saya tau ramai suke watak jebat.. saya muda2 suka la jebat..bila dah tuaa..dah baca banyak dan fikir..i think watak yang patut di contohi kalo nak ikutkan sejajar sunna nabi tu..ialah watak Hang Tuah. Hang Tuah baru btui charismatic laksamana, nama sampai seluruh nusantara malah ke China..seme kenai dan sampai sekarang legenda karismatik Hang Tuah kekal..tak melayu hilang di dunia.

Agul

Conviction.

seribulan

....Tetapi individu berkarisma adalah orang yang selesa dan yakin pada diri dan memokus masa dan tenaga kepada orang lain

hamizao

Well, I do agree with you there. I was thinking in terms of the so called mystical , superhuman description of daulat  that many Malays seem to say when they speak of such and such Rajas and Sultan. Nevertheless, it did succeed to influence some subjects to submission.

ajinomotonosuga

[quote]Originally posted by seribulan at 22-3-2008 08:56 AM
....Tetapi individu berkarisma adalah orang yang selesa dan yakin pada diri dan memokus masa dan tenaga kepada orang lain

my-alja

lama dah kisah nie...sebelum kahwin lagi, i ingat my future hubby saja yg rasa tuah is the real HERO....rupanya, ada gak org yg berfikiran camni.....

my-alja

can't help it hami...for me DAULAT is more on hantu2 stuff to make the sultan be more powerful ...

Agul

It's like Tuah was the hero, and then we think some, we look at Jebat as the hero, and then we grow up, think some more and think Tuah is the Hero. For different reason than before.