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Acong

Contesting Malayness
Michael Chick

It's been interesting to read such free-flowing comments on an all "Malaysian" free for all. While we are on the subject, how many of you have read the book entitled "Contesting Malayness"? Written by a Professor of National University of Singapore. Cost S$32 (about). It reflects the Anthropologists views that there is no such race as the "Malays" to begin with. If we follow the original migration of the Southern Chinese of 6,000yrs ago, they moved into Taiwan, (now the Alisan), then into the Phillipines (now the Aeta) and moved into Borneo (4,500yrs ago) (Dayak). They also split into Sulawesi and progressed into Jawa, and Sumatera. The final migration was to the Malayan Peninsular 3,000yrs ago. A sub-group from Borneo also moved to Champa in Cambodia at 4,500yrs ago.

Interestingly, the Champa deviant group moved back to present day Kelantan. There are also traces of the Dong Song and HoaBinh migration from Vietnam and Cambodia. To confuse the issue, there was also the Southern Thai migration, from what we know as Pattani today. (see also "Early Kingdoms of the Indonesian Archipelago and the Malay Peninsular")

Of course, we also have the Minangkabau's which come from the descendants of Alexander the Great and a West Indian Princess. (Sejarah Melayu page 1-3)

So the million Dollar Question… Is there really a race called the "Malays"? All anthropologists DO NOT SEEM TO THINK SO.

Neither do the "Malays" who live on the West Coast of Johor. They'd rather be called Javanese. What about the west coast Kedah inhabitants who prefer to be known as "Achenese"? Or the Ibans who simply want to be known as IBANS. Try calling a Kelabit a "Malay" and see what response you get… you'll be so glad that their Head-Hunting days are over.

The definition of "Malay" is therefore simply a collection of people's who speak a similar type language. With what is meant by a similar type language does not mean that the words are similar. Linguists call this the "Lego-type" language, where words are added on to the root word to make meaning and give tenses and such. Somehow, the Indonesians disagree with this classification. They refuse to be called Malay…. Anyhow you may define it. Watch "Malays in Africa"; a Museum Negara produced DVD. Also, the "Champa Malays" by the same.

With this classification, they MUST also include the Phillipinos, the Papua New Guineans, the Australian Aboroginies, as well as the Polynesian Aboroginies. These are of the Australo Melanesians who migrated out of Africa 60,000yrs ago.

Getting interesting? Read on…

"Malay" should also include the Taiwanese singer "Ah Mei" who is Alisan as her tribe are the anscestors of the "Malays". And finally, you will need to define the Southern Chinese (Funan Province) as Malay also, since they are from the same stock 6,000yrs ago.

Try calling the Bugis a "Malay". Interestingly, the Bugis, who predominantly live on Sulawesi are not even Indonesians. Neither do they fall into the same group as the migrating Southern Chinese of 6,000yrs ago nor the Australo Melanesian group from Africa.

Ready for this?

The Bugis are the cross-breed between the Chinese and the Arabs. (FYI, a runaway Ming Dynasty official whom Cheng Ho was sent to hunt down) Interestingly, the Bugis were career Pirates in the Johor-Riau Island areas. Now the nephew of Daeng Kemboja was appointed the First Sultan of Selangor. That makes the entire Selangor Sultanate part Arab, part Chinese! Try talking to the Bugis Museum curator near Kukup in Johor. Kukup is located near the most south-western tip of Johor. (Due south of Pontian Kechil)

Let's not even get into the Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Kasturi, Hang Lekiu, and Hang Lekir, who shared the same family last name as the other super famous "Hang" family member… Hang Li Poh. And who was she? The princess of a Ming Dynasty Emperor who was sent to marry the Sultan of Malacca. Won't that make the entire Malacca Sultanate downline "Baba" ? Since the older son of the collapsed Malaccan Sultanate got killed in Johor, (the current Sultanate is the downline of the then, Bendahara) the only other son became the Sultan of Perak. Do we see any Chinese-ness in Raja Azlan? Is he the descendant of Hang Li Poh?

Next question. If the Baba's are part Malay, why have they been marginalized by NOT BEING BUMIPUTERA? Which part of "Malay" are they not? Whatever the answer, why then are the Portugese of Malacca BUMIPUTERA? Did they not come 100yrs AFTER the arrival of the first Baba's? Parameswara founded Malacca in 1411. The Portugese came in 1511, and the Dutch in the 1600's. Strangely, the Baba's ere in fact once classified a Bumiputera, but a decided that they were strangely "declassified" in the 1960's. WHY?

The Sultan of Kelantan had similar roots to the Pattani Kingdom making him of Thai origin. And what is this "coffee table book" by the Sultan of Perlis claiming to be the direct descendant of the prophet Muhammed? Somehow we see Prof Khoo Khay Khim's signature name on the book. I'll pay good money to own a copy of it myself. Anyone has a spare?

So, how many of you have met with orang Asli's? the more northern you go, the more African they look. Why are they called Negrito's? It is a Spanish word, from which directly transalates "mini Negros". The more southern you go, the more "Indonesian" they look. And the ones who live at Cameron Highlands kinda look 50-50. You can see the Batek at Taman Negara, who really look like Eddie Murphy to a certain degree. Or the Negritos who live at the Thai border near Temenggor Lake (north Perak). The Mah Meri in Carrie Island look almost like the Jakuns in Endau Rompin. Half African, half Indonesian.

By definition, (this is super eye-opening) there was a Hindu Malay Empire in Kedah. Yes, I said right… The Malays were Hindu. It was, by the old name Langkasuka. Today known as Lembah Bujang. This Hindu Malay Empire was 2,000yrs old. Pre-dating Borrobudor AND Angkor Watt. Who came about around 500-600yrs later. Lembah Bujang was THE mighty trading empire, and its biggest influence was by the Indians who were here to help start it. By definition, this should make the Indians BUMIPUTERAS too since they were here 2,000yrs ago! Why are they marginalized?

So, in a nutshell, the "Malays" (anthropologists will disagree with this "race" definition) are TRULY ASIA !!! (main continent and West Asia included)

http://mlychn.multiply.com/journal/item/18

hepi reading......!

Acong

http://tanjungnewslog.blogspot.com/2008/01/origins-of-malay.html

awat org portugis boleh jadik bumiputra?

thessailly

memang sudah taqdirnya begitu.

Acong

kun fa ya kun?

WonBin

Whoever, including half Chinese like me can be considered as a Malay as long as they are MUSLIM, adopting Malay lifestyle, eat Malay food, celebrate Malay festival.

Whoever pure Chinese, being a Buddist or Christian, migrated from mainland China, has no right to argue. Just get your ass of this thread.

dCrook

the history of this country terlampau bercelaru.terutama sekali kalau ade motif disebaliknya..

misssagi

takde celaru apa. migrasi manusia/pelbagai bangsa berlaku dimana-mana sejak dahulu kala sampai ke hari ni. itu perkara biasa.

cuma ada pihak tertentu atas tujuan tertentu cuba hendak menafikan sesetengah perkara atas kepentingan sendiri.

Acong

apakah semua org portugis sudah islam?

Mawlay

sat lagi mai le juak 2 pejuang keturunan dari tanah besar mempersoalkan status BUMIPUTERA melayu & portugis di sem Malaysia

Acong

portugis yg beragama kristian pung dikira bumiputra, camne nie?

Mawlay

habis kadazan sabah tu bumiputera gak kan ? mereka kristian  

cikepong08

emmm tak perlu di pertikaikan.....macam monyet je melalak melalak sana sini sapa tuan...

Acong

Originally posted by Mawlay at 3-5-2009 18:23
habis kadazan sabah tu bumiputera gak kan ? mereka kristian  

aiks?! kadazan tu menetap di sabah sejak bila? kedatangan org portugis tu bila pulak? buta sejarah kaa?

Acong

Originally posted by cikepong08 at 4-5-2009 00:25
emmm tak perlu di pertikaikan.....macam monyet je melalak melalak sana sini sapa tuan...

utk org yg buta atau sengaja membutakan diri mmg laa menganggap org melalak..........

penyo

Cina Tanah Besar datang daripada mana? Turun dari langit ker?

Acong

Originally posted by penyo at 5-5-2009 09:45
Cina Tanah Besar datang daripada mana? Turun dari langit ker?

cina naik tongkang.......... portugis turun dari langit ker?

putrakaduk

Dalam kes ini tak dapat nak di terangkan dengan siapa sebenarnya Melayu tersebut walaupun kita mengatakan bahawa melayu adalah penduduk asal di tanah melayu ini.Seperti takrif di bawah di terangkan dengan jelas maksudnya.

Takrif "Melayu' dalam perlembagaan mengatakan bahawasanya seseorang yang mengamalkan cara hidup melayu, berbahasa melayu dan beragama Islam di iktirafkan sebagai "Melayu".Ianya tidak dikira sama ada seseorang itu adalah origin melayu (ibu dan bapa melayu) atau Mix (salah seorang ibu atau bapa melayu).Misalnya seseorang yang berbangsa cina memeluk islam dan dia mengamalkan cara hidup melayu dia diiktiraf sebagai "Melayu".Lagi satu contoh adalah kes lina joy, walaupun dia origin melayu tetapi telah bertukar agamanya secara automatiknya dia bukan lagi "Melayu" dan tidak layak menuntut hak2 keistimewaan Melayu seperti termaktup dalam Perlembagaan.

penyo

Originally posted by Acong at 5-5-2009 10:03

cina naik tongkang.......... portugis turun dari langit ker?

Tak maksud aku Bangsa Cina diTanah Besar di Tanah Besar Cina asal daripada mana?

Acong

Originally posted by penyo at 6-5-2009 17:04


Tak maksud aku Bangsa Cina diTanah Besar di Tanah Besar Cina asal daripada mana?

takan dari portugis kot?

GRINDSAKHTANIC

Originally posted by putrakaduk at 6-5-2009 11:04
Dalam kes ini tak dapat nak di terangkan dengan siapa sebenarnya Melayu tersebut walaupun kita mengatakan bahawa melayu adalah penduduk asal di tanah melayu ini.Seperti takrif di bawah di terangk ...

ini hanyalah kenyataan yang dikeluarkan oleh kerajaan kita yang bodoh sejarah dan langsung buta mengenai apa itu melayu.di bahagian tanah jawa,masih ada lagik keturunan melayu yangm asih beragama hindu,yakni agama asal orang melayu.so,takkan nak mansuhkan mereka ini "bukan melayu" hanya kerana mereka bukan islam?