According to the infamous islamic preacher, Zakir Naik, Islam is very fair, men get 72 houris(fair beautiful ladies) in Islamic heaven and how about muslim women ?...... They will be screwed by 72 men.....
Dr. Ruckman taught Ephesians 5 verse by verse in Bible class, he shared his personal belief that Christ's bride will be ALL male and ONLY male, with no women or girls. This is sometimes referred to as the "no women in heaven" theory
I have wondered as you may have wondered:
How can Christs-Bride, which includes men, actually marry Christ?
Why does the Bible depict Christs-Bride as having lots of men in it?
Since Complementarians use Christs-Bride typology to demean and argue against gay marriage, how can they then defend the concept of men marrying Jesus Christ, who is also a man?
Bride-Groom typology is one of
the main Christian arguments
against gay marriage.
Remember, Bride and Groom typology is one of the strongest supporting arguments for anti-gay Complementarian theory. They argue that the example of Adam and Eve (the first opposite sex marriage on earth) pictures, through typology, the relationship Christ will have with His bride, the church. Since according to Complementarian theory, gay marriage breaks the type, God could never affirm gay marriage. Of course, the problem with that incorrect thinking is that saved gays and lesbians are ALREADY part of the body of Christ.
"And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:" -Ephesians 2:6
"For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. Ephesians 5:30-32
Never did any Christian sects interpreted Matt19:29 as havinng 100 wives in heaven, not even cults like Jehovah Witnesses.....
King James Version (KJV) Matt 19:29; " And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."
Does above verse sound even remotely like one having 100 wives in heaven ??? Nah.....a lecherous 7th century sex maniac cum rapist inspired moooslem will sure interpret other wise. No surprise here......
Dr Ruckman ??? Give me a break ! Muslim best shot Dr Laurence Brown and Dr Bart Ehrman have proven to be best laughing stocks among true Bible scholars and now Dr Ruckman....
Just like one fella said on the muslim apostasy site; " if interpretations of muslims on Bible are correct, then muslims should start eating pork liao"....
wkk5159 posted on 10-12-2013 09:58 PM
Never did any Christian sects interpreted Matt19:29 as havinng 100 wives in heaven, not even cults like Jehovah Witnesses.....
King James Version (KJV) Matt 19:29; " And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."
Does above verse sound even remotely like one having 100 wives in heaven ??? Nah.....a lecherous 7th century sex maniac cum rapist inspired moooslem will sure interpret other wise. No surprise here......
Dr Ruckman ??? Give me a break ! Muslim best shot Dr Laurence Brown and Dr Bart Ehrman have proven to be best laughing stocks among true Bible scholars and now Dr Ruckman....
Just like one fella said on the muslim apostasy site; " if interpretations of muslims on Bible are correct, then muslims should start eating pork liao"....
Ha ha , no christian interpret mat19:29 as having 100 wives? The verse you quoted
King James Version (KJV) Matt 19:29; " And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life."
What does it mean when you receive a hundredfold or x100 , in this case - wife? Any natural reading would be x100 wives. What say you? You are ashamed and embarrassed by the verse .... aren't you. Poor chap ...
So where is the hadith or Quran verse that states of 72 virgins? In your fantasy again. Fantasies don't count.
Bart Ehrman a laughing stock? Oh yes , only in the deluded minds of fundies like you. Is Prof Dan Wallace a laughing stock as well? He agreed with Prof Ehrman that the bible is not relaible.
Eating pork? deut14:8
The pig is also unclean; although it has a divided hoof, it does not chew the cud. You are not to eat their meat or touch their carcasses.
Why do you eat pork when the bible prohibit it? Not very Christian are you?
Do you agree with Dr Ruckman that the bible describe gay sex in the christian heaven? Well , everyone would be like biblical Jesus , bearded and having a 'sword'. So .... there would be 'sword fighting' in the Christian heaven. Yes? Ha ha , this is perversion of the highest order.
You have this affinity of shooting yourself in your foot with every response. Ran out of ideas or what?
Perempuan Islam yang beriman kepada Allah, dia ikut perintah Allah. Maka dia setia dan sayang pada suaminya. Oleh itu maka amalan itu bukan sahaja dia lakukan di dunia tetapi jua di akhirat kelak. Maka pastilah mereka hanya mahu suaminya di dunia ini sebagai suaminya di akhirat kelak. Wanita ini akan Allah jadikan KETUA kepada bidadari-bidadari yang Allah berikan kepada suaminya. Kepada wanita yang beriman ini, dia boleh meminta apa sahaja yang dia kehendaki sama seperti lelaki beriman yang masuk ke sana... apa-apa pun yang dia minta, insyaAllah Allah beri... maka dengan iman yang mereka ada, mereka akan meminta dari Allah apa yang mereka kehendaki. Syurga itu penuh nikmat bagi orang-orang yang hanya mengambil Allah sebagai tuhan mereka. Tiada tuhan lain selain Allah yang perlu disembah. Hanya ada satu Tuhan iaitu Allah.
ct_og posted on 11-12-2013 08:58 AM
Perempuan Islam yang beriman kepada Allah, dia ikut perintah Allah. Maka dia setia dan sayang pada s ...
"Wanita ini akan Allah jadikan KETUA kepada bidadari-bidadari yang Allah berikan kepada suaminya.“
Beri saya ayat Koran yang menyokong pendapat kamu mengenai kenyataan di atas dan.....
Kan dengan ini wanita Islam menjadi Ibu Ayam dalam "syurga Allah" mengikut definisi kamu ! .......yaitu Ketua kepada bidadari-bidadari Allah yang tiada fungsi lain selain memenuhi nafsu seks suami mereka !
ct_og posted on 11-12-2013 08:58 AM
Perempuan Islam yang beriman kepada Allah, dia ikut perintah Allah. Maka dia setia dan sayang pada s ...
Seperkara lagi, jika Zakir Naik, iaitu seorang pendakwah Islam yang terkenal dengan pengetahuan Islamnya begitu mendalam dan begitu digemari serta dihormati oleh umat-umat Islam di seluruh dunia termasuk Malaysia. Jika dia berpendapat bahawa wanita Islam akan mendapat nikmat yang serupa seperti lelaki Islam di syurga Islam iaitu melakukan seks dengan 72 lelaki dara。。。。。。Persoalan saya di sini;
1. Interpretasi Koran siapa di sini yang betul ? Zakir Naik atau kamu yang tepat ?
2. Adakah kamu mendakwa pengetahuan Koran kamu lebih mendalam dari Zakir Naik ?
3. Adakah kamu menuduh Zakir Naik seorang pembohong ?
Milagro posted on 11-12-2013 09:44 AM
ayat koran mana kata ada 72
Memang betul seperti yang didakwa oleh kebanyakan pengkritik Islam, kebanyakan muslim sama ada tidak memahami Koran mereka atau sengaja menipu untuk menutupi kepincangan dalam agama mereka. Menurut Hadith dan Koran, seorang houri adalah dara berkulit cerah dan cantik yang menunggu muslim di syurga Islam ...Quran-(55:72)
Adakah kamu menuduh Zakir Naik seorang penipu dan pengetahuan Islam kamu lebih dari dia ???
Houri mentioned in the Quran
The word houri occurs in the Qur’an in no less than four different places:
In Surah Dukhan chapter 44, verse 54
“Moreover, We shall join them to companions With beautiful, big and lustrous eyes.” [Al-Quran 44:54]
In Surah Al-Tur chapter 52 verse 20
“...And We shall join them to companions, with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes.” [Al-Quran 52:20]
In Surah Rahman chapter 55 verse 72
“Companions restrained (as to their glances), in goodly pavilions.” [Al-Quran 55:72]
In Surah Al-Waqiah chapter 56 verse 22
“And (there will be) companions with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes.” [Al-Quran 56:22]
Many translators of the Quran have translated the word houri as ‘beautiful maidens’. If houri means ‘beautiful maidens’ or girls, then they are meant only for the men. Hence, what will the muslim women get if they enter Islamic Paradise ? Last edited by wkk5159 on 11-12-2013 10:28 AM
Eventhough Quran do not specifically mention about total number of 72 but when we cross reference with hadith, voila !
Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as the Sunan al-Tirmidhi says, "The least [reward] for the people of Heaven is 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome of pearls, aquamarine and ruby.""
See, the Hadith mentioned that " The least they are getting is 72 wives !!!!!"....Which means that lecherous Mooohammad said Allah promised at least 72 houris to muslim men !!!!
wkk5159 posted on 11-12-2013 11:15 AM
See, the Hadith mentioned that " The least they are getting is 72 wives !!!!!"....Which means that lecherous Mooohammad said Allah promised at least 72 houris to muslim men !!!!
You have just expose your ignorance of the Quran and Hadith. I am just waiting for such response of yours. Your blunders :
(1) Houris are special creation of Allah for the people of paradise. Quran56:35 (Yusuf Ali)
We have created (their Companions) of special creation.
(2) The hadith - Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 , has been classified being 'gharib' meaning weak or strange hadith for the last 1000 odd years. In addition there is no sanad therefore not taken as authentic
Searching what Muslims refer to as Gharib Hadiths (weak or strange Hadiths) we do find something about 72 wives but not virgins. The Hadith we find is the following:
Sunan al-Tirmidhi Hadith 2562 says:
The Prophet Muhammad was heard saying: “The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana’a [Yemen]“
This is as a weak Hadith that has no Sanad — line or sequence of narration. Although listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered impeccable. As a result, Muslims are not required to believe in it. Even if the Hadith was true, there is nothing about it that says that if someone commits suicide they would get 72 virgins in paradise.
It is just so easy for us muslims to point out your very weak argument. You don't even know that 'houris' are special creation of Allah to be companions of the people of paradise. Hadith Tirmidhi 2562 has been classified being non authentic. You argument is the argument of an ignoramus and a person trying to lie.
BTW , if you 'die - die' believe in hadith tirmidhi 2562 - we muslims are promised 72 wives. However christians are promised 100x wives (if you have more than 1 , imagine the exponential increment). By your standards the lecherous ones are christians. Yes? What say you?
Now this lecherous ustazy with anglo name Sam when cornered and desperate, he accusses his hadith of being corrupted and not trustworthy....
Perhaps later he will accuse Surah Dukhan chapter 44, verse 54 , Al-Tur chapter 52 verse 20, Su Ar-rah Rahman chapter 55 verse 72 and Surah Al-Waqiah chapter 56 verse 22 of being corrupted also !
wkk5159 posted on 11-12-2013 12:25 PM
Now this lecherous ustazy with anglo name Sam when cornered and desperate, he accusses his hadith of being corrupted and not trustworthy....
Perhaps later he will accuse Surah Dukhan chapter 44, verse 54 , Al-Tur chapter 52 verse 20, Su Ar-rah Rahman chapter 55 verse 72 and Surah Al-Waqiah chapter 56 verse 22 of being corrupted also !
Moooooslim.......................
The onus is now on you to show me that tirmidhi 2562 has the proper 'sanad'. This again show that you don't even understand the classification of hadiths. We muslims do not accept hadith which are 'gharib' and without 'sanad'. Let me give you an example of the last chapter of mark (bible niv) which states as follows :
[The earliest manuscripts and some other ancient witnesses do not have verses 9–20.]
Do you accept verses 9-20 of the Gospel according to Mark?
This is just too easy as you are predictable in your response.
Ha ha , do you now agree that 'houris' are special creation of Allah for the people of paradise? This alone has negated your argument about the Quranic verses of virgin maidens.
My question again (which you have been avoiding) :
BTW , if you 'die - die' believe in hadith tirmidhi 2562 - we muslims are promised 72 wives. However christians are promised 100x wives (if you have more than 1 , imagine the exponential increment). By your standards the lecherous ones are christians. Yes? What say you?
Now, let's see 4 muslims but 4 different views on houris in Quran ;
1. Zakir Naik - Muslim women will be screwed by 72 virgin men just like their muslim men counterparts who will fxxk the 72 houris in Islamic paradise ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r03oma2nxAg
2. ct_og - He said muslim women will become head of the many many houris which serve her husband. In another word, muslim women roles in islamic paradise are no different from being a head of prostitute harem !
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3. Milagro- This delusional dummy mooooslim not even aware of Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as Sunan al-Tirmidhi and Quran verses 44:54, 55:20, 55:72 and 56:22 !
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4. sam1528 - This infamous delusional muslim even go as far to deny the authenticity of Quran and Hadith !
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wkk5159 posted on 11-12-2013 12:47 PM
Now, let's see 4 muslims but 4 different views on houris in Quran ;
1. Zakir Naik - Muslim women will be screwed by 72 virgin men just like their muslim men counterparts who will fxxk the 72 houris in Islamic paradise ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r03oma2nxAg
2. ct_og - He said muslim women will become head of the many many houris which serve her husband. In another word, muslim women roles in islamic paradise are no different from being a head of prostitute harem !
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3. Milagro- This delusional dummy mooooslim not even aware of Hadith number 2,562 in the collection known as Sunan al-Tirmidhi and Quran verses 44:54, 55:20, 55:72 and 56:22 !
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4. sam1528 - This infamous delusional muslim even go as far to deny the authenticity of Quran and Hadith !
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This is typical christian answer when they are stuck. Poor 'wkk5159' is now into word twisting.
Lets start again :
(1) 'houris' are special creation of Allah , Quran56:35. Why are you arguing them to be maidens?
(2) Can you now provide evidence of the 'sanad' of hadith tirmidhi 2562? The said hadith has been classified 'gharib' by scholars
You still have not answered me :
BTW , if you 'die - die' believe in hadith tirmidhi 2562 - we muslims are promised 72 wives. However christians are promised 100x wives (if you have more than 1 , imagine the exponential increment). By your standards the lecherous ones are christians. Yes? What say you?
Observe folks , Christians will never answer when they are cornered. 'wkk5159' is displaying the same attributes like 'truth.8' and 'nightlord' who will never answer embarrassing questions about Christianity. Diversions - diversions .....
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