Asal usul sebutan -naah/naa/noh di hujung ayat dalam bahasa Kedah?

ChildrenOfBodom · Post time 5-10-2020 05:00 PM

Edited by ChildrenOfBodom at 5-10-2020 05:16 PM

Artikel pasai penggunaan partikel - na dalam bahasa Thai. Sama ja konsepnya dengan -naa bahasa Kedah. Boleh disimpulkan partikel -naa ni pengaruh dari Bahasa Siam. Tapi dalam bahasa Siam lebih luas penggunaannya

https://www.into-asia.com/thai_language/grammar/na.php
The many meanings of the Thai word 'na'Thai speakers say this word at least a hundred times a day, but its meaning is hard

The particle นะ ná is extremely common in spoken and informal Thai, at least as much so as any of the polite particles. It's used to make a sentence sound gentler, softer or more persuasive, when expressing opinions or making statements looking for approval or agreement, when making compliments or encouraging statements, and to make commands, requests, criticisms and warnings seem less abrupt. ná can be considered almost mandatory in requests and warnings, unless you want to sound particularly forceful.

Given it's wide range of uses, you'll almost never go wrong including ná in a sentence if it seems appropriate to do so. Be a bit wary of over-usage though, as if you say it every other sentence it will make your speech quite repetitive sounding.

Please wait a moment รอ สักครู นะ ครับ ror sàk kroo ná kráp WAIT - JUST - MOMENT - ná - kráp	ná here makes the request sound more polite.
We walked quite a long way (didn't we?) เรา เดิน มา ไกล เหมือนกัน นะ rao dern maa glai mĕuan gan ná WE - WALK - COME - FAR - QUITE - ná	ná here shows you're seeking the agreement of the listener. In a sense this makes it similar to "didn't we ? isn't right ?", although it's not as direct a question as that and doesn't require a response from the listener.
You have to take your medicine on time (ok?) คุณ ต้อง กิน ยา ให้ ตรงเวลา นะ kun dtông gin yaa hâi dtrong way-laa ná YOU - MUST - EAT - MEDICINE - AT - ON TIME - ná	ná softens the sound of the command, making it more informal and less like an order. In this sense, it's similar to ending a sentence with "...., ok ?" in English
Sorry that I made you worry ขอโทษ นะ ที่ ทำให้ ต้อง เป็นห่วง kŏr tôht ná têe tam hâi dtông bpen hùang SORRY - ná - THAT - CAUSE - HAVE TO - WORRY	ná makes the apology sound more persuasive.
This is your last chance โอกาสสุดท้าย แล้ว นะ oh-gàat sùt táai láew ná CHANCE - FINAL - ALREADY - ná	ná makes the warning sound less severe.
I think it's not bad also. ฉัน คิดว่า มัน ก็ ไม่เลว นะ chăn kít wâa man gôr mâi leo ná I - THINK THAT - IT - ALSO - NOT BAD - ná	ná makes the opinion expressed sound gentler and less abrupt, and shows a sense of seeking approval with others.
Buy this for me please....please....please ซื้อ ให้ หน่อย นะ ... นะ ... นะ séu hâi nòi ná ... ná ... ná BUY - FOR - nòi - ná	ná makes the request more persuasive, and corresponds to "please" here.

"Na" in questions

When used at the end of a question, ná is asking for information previously given to be repeated. This is most commonly encountered in the idiomatic อะไรนะ a-rai ná ("Pardon ? ; Sorry, what was that ?", literally "what - ná"), but has broader uses too.

What did you say his name was again ?
เขา ชื่อ อะไรนะ kăo chêu a-rai ná
HE - NAME - WHAT - ná

Which province did you say you were from again ?
คุณ เป็น คน จังหวัด อะไรนะ kun bpen kon jang-wàt a-rai ná
YOU- ARE - PERSON - PROVINCE - WHAT - ná

Where did you say you bought it again ?
คุณ ซื้อ มัน ที่ไหน นะ kun séu man têe năi ná
YOU - BUY - IT - WHERE - ná

Please wait a moment รอ สักครู นะ ครับ ror sàk kroo ná kráp WAIT - JUST - MOMENT - ná - kráp	ná here makes the request sound more polite.
We walked quite a long way (didn't we?) เรา เดิน มา ไกล เหมือนกัน นะ rao dern maa glai mĕuan gan ná WE - WALK - COME - FAR - QUITE - ná	ná here shows you're seeking the agreement of the listener. In a sense this makes it similar to "didn't we ? isn't right ?", although it's not as direct a question as that and doesn't require a response from the listener.
You have to take your medicine on time (ok?) คุณ ต้อง กิน ยา ให้ ตรงเวลา นะ kun dtông gin yaa hâi dtrong way-laa ná YOU - MUST - EAT - MEDICINE - AT - ON TIME - ná	ná softens the sound of the command, making it more informal and less like an order. In this sense, it's similar to ending a sentence with "...., ok ?" in English
Sorry that I made you worry ขอโทษ นะ ที่ ทำให้ ต้อง เป็นห่วง kŏr tôht ná têe tam hâi dtông bpen hùang SORRY - ná - THAT - CAUSE - HAVE TO - WORRY	ná makes the apology sound more persuasive.
This is your last chance โอกาสสุดท้าย แล้ว นะ oh-gàat sùt táai láew ná CHANCE - FINAL - ALREADY - ná	ná makes the warning sound less severe.
I think it's not bad also. ฉัน คิดว่า มัน ก็ ไม่เลว นะ chăn kít wâa man gôr mâi leo ná I - THINK THAT - IT - ALSO - NOT BAD - ná	ná makes the opinion expressed sound gentler and less abrupt, and shows a sense of seeking approval with others.
Buy this for me please....please....please ซื้อ ให้ หน่อย นะ ... นะ ... นะ séu hâi nòi ná ... ná ... ná BUY - FOR - nòi - ná	ná makes the request more persuasive, and corresponds to "please" here.

"Na" in questions

When used at the end of a question, ná is asking for information previously given to be repeated. This is most commonly encountered in the idiomatic อะไรนะ a-rai ná ("Pardon ? ; Sorry, what was that ?", literally "what - ná"), but has broader uses too.

What did you say his name was again ?
เขา ชื่อ อะไรนะ kăo chêu a-rai ná
HE - NAME - WHAT - ná

Which province did you say you were from again ?
คุณ เป็น คน จังหวัด อะไรนะ kun bpen kon jang-wàt a-rai ná
YOU- ARE - PERSON - PROVINCE - WHAT - ná

Where did you say you bought it again ?
คุณ ซื้อ มัน ที่ไหน นะ kun séu man têe năi ná
YOU - BUY - IT - WHERE - ná

ChildrenOfBodom · Post time 5-10-2020 05:09 PM

Sorry that I made you worry
ขอโทษ นะ ที่ ทำให้ ต้อง เป็นห่วง
kŏr tôht ná têe tam hâi dtông bpen hùang
SORRY - ná - THAT - CAUSE - HAVE TO - WORRY

ná makes the apology sound more persuasive.

sory naa aku buat bagi hang risau

ChildrenOfBodom · Post time 5-10-2020 05:13 PM

Please wait a moment
รอ สักครู นะ ครับ
ror sàk kroo ná kráp
WAIT - JUST - MOMENT - ná - kráp

ná here makes the request sound more polite.

Tunggu sat naa

ChildrenOfBodom · Post time 5-10-2020 08:09 PM

We walked quite a long way (didn't we?)
เรา เดิน มา ไกล เหมือนกัน นะ
rao dern maa glai mĕuan gan ná
WE - WALK - COME - FAR - QUITE - ná

ná here shows you're seeking the agreement of the listener. In a sense this makes it similar to "didn't we ? isn't right ?", although it's not as direct a question as that and doesn't require a response from the listener.

ayat BM kedah yg sama maksud dengan penggunaan ná ni yang mencari persetujuan:
"Perangai depa sama ja noo"

"Dia tu kaya sungguh noo"

ChildrenOfBodom · Post time 5-10-2020 08:11 PM

You have to take your medicine on time (ok?)
คุณ ต้อง กิน ยา ให้ ตรงเวลา นะ
kun dtông gin yaa hâi dtrong way-laa ná
YOU - MUST - EAT - MEDICINE - AT - ON TIME - ná

ná softens the sound of the command, making it more informal and less like an order. In this sense, it's similar to ending a sentence with "...., ok ?" in English

ayat BM:

"Ubat ni makan ikut time naa"

"Belajar rajin2 naa"

ChildrenOfBodom · Post time 5-10-2020 08:13 PM

This is your last chance
โอกาสสุดท้าย แล้ว นะ
oh-gàat sùt táai láew ná
CHANCE - FINAL - ALREADY - ná

ná makes the warning sound less severe.

"Ni last warning naa!"

aryyan · Post time 7-10-2020 12:27 PM

sarah82 replied at 3-10-2020 10:28 PM
Aku nak citer sikit.. 3-4 tahun lps.. UM @ USM ada buat kajian DNA Mitokondria.. Depa ambik bbrp sam ...

tgk kulit, siam hat blah kita xsama ngn siam yg ke atas; bangkok n etc.

sarah82 · Post time 7-10-2020 12:29 PM

aryyan replied at 7-10-2020 12:27 PM
tgk kulit, siam hat blah kita xsama ngn siam yg ke atas; bangkok n etc.

Hat bangkok tu bukan siam.. Hat tu Tai/Thai.

aryyan · Post time 7-10-2020 12:32 PM

sarah82 replied at 7-10-2020 12:29 PM
Hat bangkok tu bukan siam.. Hat tu Tai/Thai.

owh.hahah.beza ka.
aku mmg dk pggil depa siam.
ingtkan sbb org kedah pggil siam= thailand.
jd siam tu area mna actually?
area as per borderpass kedah ka?

sarah82 · Post time 7-10-2020 12:34 PM

aryyan replied at 7-10-2020 12:32 PM
owh.hahah.beza ka.
aku mmg dk pggil depa siam.
ingtkan sbb org kedah pggil siam= thailand.

Siam ni mostly kat ligor.. Kulit mcm kita.. Bangsa thai/tai ni dari china.. Sama bangsa dgn vietnam.. Kulit depa putih ala2 cina..

aryyan · Post time 7-10-2020 12:39 PM

sarah82 replied at 7-10-2020 12:34 PM
Siam ni mostly kat ligor.. Kulit mcm kita.. Bangsa thai/tai ni dari china.. Sama bangsa dgn vietna ...

jd salah term la.
slama ni klo pi sna, dok crita kata pi siam.
hahaha. ok. ptt la kwn2 siam aku ada yg berbeza sgt rupa.
aku ingt pbezaan fmily/ kawen campuq ke apa.
tp kan. mostly kawan siam aku, akn attracted ngn bgsa mlayu.
commonly akn couple ngn mlayu/ or siam.
jrg nk jumpa sangkut ngn cainis.

sarah82 · Post time 7-10-2020 12:50 PM

aryyan replied at 7-10-2020 12:39 PM
jd salah term la.
slama ni klo pi sna, dok crita kata pi siam.
hahaha. ok. ptt la kwn2 siam aku ...

Aku mng ada darah siam.. Hahahaa.. Pernah ada lelaki siam suka aku.. Tapi aku suka Melayu.. HahahAhah.

nemoshrek · Post time 7-10-2020 02:48 PM

sarah82 replied at 7-10-2020 12:50 PM
Aku mng ada darah siam.. Hahahaa.. Pernah ada lelaki siam suka aku.. Tapi aku suka Melayu.. HahahA ...

Masa sy study kat politeknik Jitra dulu..Ada classmate 2 orang Siam..sorang chubby2 mcm cik B..sorang mcm Chinese..lawa jugak..Masa tu tertanya2 eh apsal sesat orang Siam study sini..ingatkan dorang warganegara Thai..lepas tengok video akak Siam kt atas barulah tahu yg Siam ni warganegara mcm kita...kena banyak membaca lagi ni pasal sejarah2..hehe

sarah82 · Post time 7-10-2020 03:38 PM

nemoshrek replied at 7-10-2020 02:48 PM
Masa sy study kat politeknik Jitra dulu..Ada classmate 2 orang Siam..sorang chubby2 mcm cik B..sor ...

Ada ramai org siam kat kedah.. Sik antara daerah yg ada org siam.

ChildrenOfBodom · Post time 7-10-2020 08:33 PM

sarah82 replied at 7-10-2020 03:38 PM
Ada ramai org siam kat kedah.. Sik antara daerah yg ada org siam.

nie melayu cakap siam.
cakap campur2 boleh dengar dia sebut "kalau" dan "sabun"
mamat pakai towel oren tu macam orang siam dari Thailand.
motong getah kat sini kot..

sarah82 · Post time 7-10-2020 08:36 PM

ChildrenOfBodom replied at 7-10-2020 08:33 PM
nie melayu cakap siam.
cakap campur2 boleh dengar dia sebut "kalau" dan "sabun"
mamat pakai ...

Kalau kita pi kat belah bukit tangga.. Melayu tapi depa ckp sesama depa siam.

ChildrenOfBodom · Post time 7-10-2020 08:45 PM

sarah82 replied at 7-10-2020 08:36 PM
Kalau kita pi kat belah bukit tangga.. Melayu tapi depa ckp sesama depa siam.

like my mom and dad and their relatives...depa cakap camtu la esp dengan golongan yang berusia sikit...cakap siam campoq melayu. yang muda2 tak reti... kita dengaq paham depa cakap pasal apa.. tapi nk cakap balik tak berapa reti.