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Originally posted by skuter_buruk146 at 15-11-2006 03:29 PM
sadisnye bace sejarah korea utara nie...nasib baik le M'sia dulu tak jatuh ke tangan komunis..
Itu pun masih ada lagi orang nak istihar pemimpin komunis sebagai pejuang bangsa |
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Originally posted by jerai at 17-11-2006 09:08 AM
Itu pun masih ada lagi orang nak istihar pemimpin komunis sebagai pejuang bangsa
kekeke... |
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Originally posted by deaf4ever at 25-10-2006 12:50 AM
sini pun aku tampal ek
Masuk sokkabar melayu Spore hari ni, tulisan mamat Football Asia
Luar Negara : 24 Oktober 2006
Mudah cetak | E-mel
PENGALAMAN BERKUNJUNG KE KOREA UTARA
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perhh.. cam tu skali.. tapi tgk kat TV cam banyak jek bangunan² besar kat sana.. bangunan hotel yang terbengkalai tu pun cantik gakk |
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慤ntuk mu Kim Jong-il抂/b]
PENYOKONG Korea Selatan, seperti kebanyakan kontinjen lain pada Sukan Asia, terdiri daripada atlit dan pegawai yang tidak bertanding, sanak-saudara serta penyokong setia yang sanggup datang ke negara Teluk Parsi yang kecil itu untuk menyaksikan pasukan mereka beraksi.
Korea Utara membawa bersamanya mereka yang profesional.
Beratus-ratus lelaki yang mengenakan pakaian berwarna kelabu kehitaman memenuhi tempat duduk mereka bagi pertemuan bola sepak antara Korea Utara dengan Korea Selatan, bertepuk tangan dan menyanyi serentak dan bersorak ketika pemain mereka membawa bola. Sebaik saja perlawanan tamat, mereka pantas beredar seperti ketika mereka datang.
Bagi Korea Utara, kemiskinan dan semakin tersisih selepas menjalankan ujian nuklear pertamanya dua bulan lalu, Sukan Asia bukan sekadar sukan.
Ia adalah peluang untuk memenangi pingat emas buat 揚emimpin Tersayang |
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huh...aku tak dapat bayangkan betapa bosanya hidup di korea utara.... |
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Ini thread pasal korea Utara ke pasal perang Korea, Aku pon dah confius.:lebai::lebai: |
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tulisan dan gambo2 dari soccernet.com tentang perbezaan penyokong North Korea & South Korea masa dorang jumpa kat Asia Games berapa hari lepas. semacam sey North Korean nye supporter.
Our friends from the northSteve Wilson
A trip to the Al-Rayyan stadium, far beyond the outskirts of Doha and capital of the oil rich Gulf State of Qatar, promises about as inauspicious an occasion as could be imagined on even the sparsest of sporting calendars.
 Beneath the floodlights of the Al-Rayyan stadium 'a trio of fetching Korean go-go dancers' meet the one and only Steve Wilson, and his trusted cycling jacket.
A long, landmark free drive along a dusty road that stretches nowhere except into desert, and eventually Saudi Arabia, cannot fail to dull the senses. Yet those willing and able to make the journey on an uncommonly rainy and windswept evening in the Middle East this week, were rewarded with a tangible reminder of the capacity of this simple past time to temporarily lift the soul.
The reason for the trip was to watch the quarter-final of the 15th Asian Games, that Doha, despite customary fears over the city's readiness for a showpiece event, is hosting with genuine bravura.
The reason for its fascination was the match-up that the draw had produced. Straight after Iran had dispatched China 8-7 on penalties in the same stadium, tournament favourites Korean Republic were to kick-off against their occasional friends from the north, the much demonised Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
The recent antics of Kim Jong Il's insular communist regime have strained already flimsy relationships with most western democracies. The trumpeted testing of nuclear weapons by North Korea has confirmed their rogue state credentials and, possibly having the greatest reason to fear a nuclear powered neighbour, relations between Seoul and Pyongyang have been frosty in the aftermath.
Football, it has been observed, at times can act like war without weapons; a proxy for conflict. A grudge laden derby match had been predicted. But it did not work out that way.
The match itself was as full blooded as knockout football should be. The tackles flew and, despite the South's obvious technical superiority, it sustained a commendable competitiveness even as two goals in three first half minutes, the second a 30 yard piledriver from Yeom Ki Hun, took the game out of North Korea's reach. A third was added by Jung Jo Gook after the break and South Korea, conducted by veteran of their romantic if fortuitous run to the semi-finals of the 2002 World Cup, Lee Chun Soo, ran out as justified winners.
The action on the pitch, then, ran to a predictable if entertaining conclusion. Yet the real intrigue was to be found in the stands of a three quarters empty stadium.
Unusually for the competition, and perhaps a nod to the frosty relationship endured by the two states, what fans were present had been segregated by a chicken wire fence familiar to visitors of many ageing European grounds. And this thin dividing line threw up a contrast as fascinating and absolute as does the border they share.
Permission to clap? The organised fans of Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.
On one side stood the massed ranks of North Korean fans, a study in uniformity. Each man - for they were all men - assiduously stuck to his allotted place on the stand, giving an eerie order to their collective appearance. They clapped in unison, they cheered as one, they banged together simple wooden blocks in precise synchronisation.
One could have been forgiven for thinking a time machine rather than a turnstile had been used to gain entrance to their stand. Dour, dark, old fashioned suits and ties were the order of the day.
Like a scene from a grainy old news reel of football matches past, these fervent and boisterous supporters, cajoled, it is an understatement to say, by a couple of similarly attired rabble-rousers at the front, one minus his front teeth, backed their team to the hilt. And from the first whistle to beyond the last.
Every kick - every single kick - by their team saw the conductors implore the crowd to make noise, and make noise they duly did. As did those camped on the other side of the fence.
Brash and colourful, though predominantly in white thanks to the distribution of incongruously titled 'Red Tigers' T-shirts and inflatable clackers, the South Koreans were an altogether more mixed lot. Men and women, boys and girls, many wearing expensive designer gear, were likewise egged on by self appointed and enthusiastic band leaders - though in this case fresh faced teenagers with requisite face paint, drums and bandanas and a trio of rather fetching go-go dancers.
The contrast could not have been more pronounced had one group come dressed as cowboys and the other Indians (though one of the South's more voluble fans was inexplicably wearing a full cow suit).
An intense wall of sound from both sides carried those present through the game. Those from the South had more reason to cheer, obviously, but the northern contingent could teach many fickle fans about loyalty and backing their team as, even in defeat, they gave their players one hell of an ovation. Cynics will scoff that they were probably obliged to stay loyal under threat of some unspeakable consequence if not, but no matter, they sang their hearts out and then some.
Throughout the game the two sets of fans, bar raising the volume to make themselves heard above the other, did not even acknowledge their adversaries. Until, that is, both teams came and took two bows, one for each set of fans.
And here's the impact democracy can have on football fans.
It is hard to say who started it and that is not important anyway. Someone did and, slowly at first, then gathering pace and numbers, where there had been two competing sets of voices there became one.
There was no choreography, no preordained show for the cameras, as had been the case when the two countries had marched as one during the Games' opening ceremony.
The dividing fence became blurred as both sets of supporters broke out into a mutual song and began swaying together. The words, a young South Korean girl explained, were those of unity, where all Koreans are one family; brothers and sisters.
It didn't mean that much in the scheme of international relations, still less the impact of the game itself on what is at best a competition for the lesser nations of world football (to underline this South Korea have since been eliminated by Iraq). But everyone who was at that game left smiling and shaking hands.
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Beza kan cara hidup dua fahaman yg sebangsa ini?
Dua tiga tahun lps ade dikhabarkn ttg masalah kekurangan makanan / khasiat di pihak K.Utara sehingga pihak jirannya sanggup menghntar konvoi bantuan ke sana..
Setension2 they all ttg fahaman serta perselisihan senjata, bl sebangsa, yg selatan ttp mmbntu yg utara... |
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dengar citer banyak jugak syarikat korea selatan melabur di korea utara dan membuka kilang ... kos pun murah dan aku pernah dengar dulu proton nak buka kilang kereta kat korea utara
Proton, Pyongyang and a saga of Asian diplomacy
By Patrick Smith
BLOOMBERG, NEW YORK
Tuesday, Mar 26, 2002, Page 19
I think of many things when I think of Proton, Malaysia's national car manufacturer. Shifts in global economic trends, business, or diplomacy are not, I confess, among them. But now I have to wonder.
You may not have even noticed the news. Kim Yong-nam, president of North Korea's Supreme People's Assembly and for many years Pyongyang's official shaker of foreign hands, toured the Proton production plant in Shah Alam, a provincial city south of Kuala Lumpur, and talked about the prospects for a joint venture manufacturing facility up where he lives.
With a retinue of 30 North Korean officials tailing him, Kim also visited Thailand, where he negotiated barter deals with Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra. Then it was on to Britain and various continental capitals.
Small beer, surely. Kim's Malaysian tour can't account for the extraordinary rise of late in the share price of Perusahaan Otomobil Nasional, as Proton is officially known. That must be attributed to favorable currency movements, a rosy earnings outlook, and talk of a foreign equity stake -- no, not North Korean. The stock closed Friday in Kuala Lumpur at 11 ringgit, unchanged on the day and up 42 percent this year.
"Building a car in North Korea -- they've been dreaming of that for a long time," says Bradley Martin, a correspondent colleague for many years and a North Korea specialist now at Dartmouth College. "But you put a car plant where people can buy cars, and there's no way North Koreans can buy cars in any number."
Fair enough, as things stand. Such initiatives as these have come to nothing before -- nothing except a US$12 billion foreign debt for Pyongyang.
But things change. Follow the recent travels of North Korean leader Kim Jong-il -- remember his visit to the Buick plant in Shanghai last year? -- and it seems evident that reforms of some kind, and at some point, are on his mind.
Malaysian officials are keen on the idea of a Proton plant in North Korea. In Thailand, a deal to exchange rice for North Korean minerals and machinery seems to be moving through the bureaucracies on both sides.
We will have to wait and see about all this, as Martin urges.
All the same, I see a larger dynamic at work here, and it has to do with the context of these contacts. It is a little more than a month since the Bush administration put North Korea on its "axis of evil" list. In a dramatic reversal of past policy, Bush is now preparing to confront North Korea over its refusal to let American inspectors see its nuclear facilities.
This tells us something -- and asks us something, too.
However strenuously Americans may now try to redefine the planet in with-us-or-with-them terms, regional cooperation and integration on the economic level is the more powerful impulse.
This is true whether or not a Proton ever rolls by a statue of Kim Il-sung on that eerie-looking main drag in Pyongyang.
Asian solutions to Asian problems. I approve, even as I wonder what they may be thinking at General Motors Corp -- which makes no secret of its interest in Korean consumers -- as to the peculiar nexus of politics and investment one finds in Asia.
The question Proton implicitly poses is this: What is the wise course with the North Koreans? On the one hand there is the "sunshine policy" of South Korean President Kim Dae-jung -- the use of commercial and diplomatic engagement to draw North Korea out of its isolation. Americans are no strangers to this strategy -- when it suits them.
On the other hand, there is the Cold War-ish standoff the Bush administration has doggedly reconstructed since coming to power just over a year ago.
I know where I stand along this line of inquiry, and I don't feel particularly lonely. I'd rather see a Proton plant in North Korea than some American spook pretending to be an impartial inspector. The one may be impractical at present, but the other will be unproductive -- perhaps purposefully.
The Europeans have now told the North Koreans to start reforming their economy and shape up on the human-rights side if they want more aid. This is just the kind of leverage that's needed, but let's not forget what makes it possible: Less than a year ago the EU took the sensible decision to recognize North Korea -- pointedly, I thought at the time, in the face of Washington's revived hostility.
It has been a long and winding road for Proton, I must say. I recall visiting the Shah Alam plant just before it opened in the late 1980s. The notion of a Malaysian car looked like a hopeless folly at the time. The first Proton Saga came off the line with a subsidy of 20 percent or more, by most analysts' reckoning. Capacity utilization was dismal, and export markets were an embarrassing fantasy.
Now Proton is making a credible bid to become a regional player in the economy end of the market -- and may climb upscale in due course. In January it bought a 49 percent interest in Gold Star Heavy Industry, a Chinese parts maker, which will reduce its dependence upon expensive components shipped from Japan by Mitsubishi Motors Corp, the original source of Proton's technology and a 16 percent partner in the company.
After years of debt and losses, Proton's reserves are healthy, and net earnings, at 300 million ringgit (US$79 million) for the year that ended last March 31, are forecast to rise substantially in 2002. A sizable export market will open up with the creation of a free-trade zone in Southeast Asia -- as will competition at home, it must be added.
A regional player -- I never would have imagined it. Now this may become true in more ways than one. Life is long, one must conclude, and distant horizons eventually draw near. I can't imagine a Proton car plant in North Korea, but that doesn't seem to be the measure of anything.
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Originally posted by GRINDSAKHTANIC at 12-12-2006 01:01 PM
huh...aku tak dapat bayangkan betapa bosanya hidup di korea utara....
Korea Utara Sesuai kot untuk pesalah jenayah berlindung disana... |
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Perang bermula pada June 25, 1950. Perang ini banyak meninggalkan kesan sejarah tetapi sejarah melihatnya sabagai 'The Forgotten War'.
Amerika terlibat secara langsung kerana disaat itu perang dingin telah bermula dan menganggap perang ini satu helah kuasa komunis untuk mengembangkan pengaruhnya ke Timur Jauh (Korea dan Jepun). Perang ini juga pertama kali dimana tentera dari beberapa negara bukan kominis terlibat secara langsung di bawah panji dan mandat United Nation.
Seramai 2.5 juta rayaat Korea mati (kalau Indon kata tewas), 80% infra awam dan 75% harta kerajaan dan 1/2 rumah-rumah awam musnah.
Perang ini saperti surung papan tarik papan (bermula dengan blitzkrig kominis dari Utara dimana pertahanan tentera Korea Selatan dan Amerika terpaksa berundur, diikuti pula satu kempen balas besar-besaran United Nation mengusir tentera komonis hingga kesungai Yalu dan balik ke 38th parallel). Ini belaku dalam masa setahun sahaja. Masa 2 tahun yang akhir cuma perang di persekitaran 38th parallel. Hingga hari ini legally the war is not over yet.
Pihak komunis berjaya menawan 3/4 wilayah Korea Selatan, cuma bandar Pusan dan sekitarny a yang tinggal. Read Battle of Pusan. General Douglass MacArthur menghantar satu armada dan memintas belakang pertahanan kominis dengan mendarat di kota pelabuhan Incheon( sekarang tapak Lapangan Terbang Antarabangsa Seoul). It was one of those cool military outflanking wars where the North Koreans were hit from their backs.:nerd::nerd: |
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The American and the south Korean were cornered in Pusan. Mc Arthur took a gamble. A risky and unpopular decision. On September 15, the US X Corps, formed in Japan, poured ashore at Inchon in what is considered one of the world's outstanding tactical moves. It was the signal that Eighth Army had awaited. The next day, Eight Army launched a general attack. The North Koreans resisted savagely for five days while United Nations Command air forces pounded their lines of communication and supply. Their defense crumbled, and Eight Army achieved a breakout and was on the road northward. With UNC forces fighting inland from Inchon towards Seoul, the invader's line of retreat was blocked. The north Korean withdrawal became a rout; only disorganized remnants were able to reach north Korea. |
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The Inchon landing is a calculated risk, being made at a place where tides play a very decisive factor. Well as the saying goes 'fortune favours the brave'. |
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Originally posted by aphrodisiac at 23-10-2006 10:11
heee hotel ni kan yg presiden diorang ( kalau tak silap Kim Il Sung ) bina sebab kat South Korea ada sebuah bangunan yang tertinggi kat rantau tu...so dia ni jeles terus arahkan supaya ho ...
pelik je org2 ni.. kalo kat south korea, takdenya diam camni.. mesti dengar suara pompuan jerit2.. pastu budak2 sekolah.. shinhwa la katakan..
macam manala org2 ni boleh hidup.. mungkin diorg dah biasa.. kalo diorg tahu dunia luar sgt lain dr dunia diorg camna lah agaknya..
apa2 pun, nasib baik malaysia tak jadi macam ni.. kesian org2 korea ni.. satu bangsa.. satu negara tapi berpecah..
salah us n rusia n jepun gak..
tapi hotel segitiga tu mmg nampak best dlm gamba. mesti cantik kan.. dahla mcm tersergam indah kat situ |
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menarik aku baca kisah2 dalam nih.. walaupun benang nih dh lama... aku rasa perlu diupdate lg... banyak lagi benda2 yang perlu diberitahu dalam benang nih.. so, pada sesiapa yang ada info pasal korean war... kongsi2la kat sini... |
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tak dapat lagi artikel dalam bahasa melayu tentang sebelum permulaan Perang Korea nih... |
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tu la pasal... semacam misteri lak... huhu |
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Post Last Edit by plasterhati at 9-4-2012 21:10
North korea (NK) ssh dh kalau nk bergabung blk dgn south korea (SK). byk faktor yg kena ambik kira..mmg laa tu impian rakyat korea nk bersatu blk dgn keluarga,sedara mara dan sebangsa masing2.malah ada yg SK yg ada tanah dl kt NK skrg..and vise versa. malang lg kalau tu pusaka turun temurun.
tp dh brp lm dua korea ni terpisah. Ideologi NK ni plk mcm mana. bkn senang utk NK terima ideologi liberal bl dh dimomokkan dgn komunisme selama 60 thn. rakyat NK jg dh pn anggap Kim Il-Sung dan anak cucu dia ni tuhan?rakyat NK ni xtau apa yg kita semua tau sbb semua kebenaran tu dah disorok oleh DPRK diketuai Kim Il-sung kemudia dikukuhkan lg oleh anak dia Kim Jong-Il dan kita tunggu dan lihat apa yg anak Jong Il akan bawa nnt.
Dr segi psikologinya,bkn senang NK nk berasimilasi dgn SK atau dunia tanpa sempadan skrg kalau ditakdirkan kedua2 kuasa ni bergabung. tak mustahil wujud plk perang saudara akibat berlainan fahaman atau mazhab ni.corak pendidikan contohnya,NK dan SK sendiri pn dh lain.padahal negara dh bergabung dh. pslnya, NK hidup mcm zaman 60an, SK punya laa advance..belim lg nk kena adapt dengan sistem pemerintahan br yg kononnya merosakkan minda tu..
kedua faktor ekonomi. NK terlalu jauh ketinggalan dr segi pendapatan perkapita penduduknya. so macam mana negara baru nnt nk stabil. Bahagian SK terpaksa menampung kepincangan ekonomi tu nanti untuk menyamatarafkan ekonomi kedua2 bahagian nnt. nk dibiarkan kt sana pn negara aku jugak,nk dibaiki kosnya terlalu tinggi. Tgk plk brp KDNK NK brp,brp byk beza dgn SK..pakar2 ekonomi dunia sendiri mengatakan ia sukar untuk ditangani.
Ketiga-cara hidup. Kita sedia maklum SK adalah antara yg maju teknologi dan mengamalkan cara hidup yg pantas. Korea utara plk? tengok aje jalan2 di NK, boleh tido tanpa kena pijak ngn kereta.tu br sikit yg nk dibandingkan..boleh ke NK nk adapt dgn teknologi yg dh jd sebahagian dr diri rakyat SK..mau tekanan perasaan org2 utara nnt.blh ke semua benda nk berurusan pakai henfon dan internet mcm SK nnt?kalau dh jadi satu negara mestilah sistem pentadbirannya satu. kalau nk asing2 baik x payah bersatu.tekanan lah budak2 sekolah nnt nk bljr blk sejarah sebenar yg disorok dek pemerintah agung dorang tu..kena plk ada SAT,nk msk U lg..selama ni dorang hanya tau nk tak nak mati kebuluran aje (kebanyakannya lah).
yang ke empat. tak mustahil anak2 beranak Kim yong nam tu nanti yg nk tetap ada kuasa dlm pentadbiran dan pemerintahan negara gabungan tu.mau ke rakyat SK ni nk bg?mcm laa satu dunia tak tau ape keluarga deme dh buat..yg betul kayunya rakyat NK aje yg ditutup pemikirannya dek deme ni.yg pernah duduk luar negara biasanya akan rasa kena tipu dgn pemerintah mereka.dan ramai yg xmau blk lg dh.kalau diberi ruang jadi pemerintah bersama mau haru dunia. ramai pelabur2 yg lari psl politik x stabil.
ke lima -ketenteraan. berapa ramai tentera kedua2 negara ni?pemikiran mereka ni lah yg plg sukar nk diubah rasanya. sbb mereka tentunya dh berikrar utk negara masing selama mereka hidup,tp alih2 nk bekerjasama dgn musuh..brp byk rahsia ketenteraan masing2 nnt nk kena verify.
ke-enam..pemikiran rakyat NK sendiri..ada kajian dibuat mereka taknak dijajah amerika.mereka sgt berpegang teguh yg SK itu sekutu amerika. mereka samakan SK dgn amerika..bkn mudah nk ubah pemikiran tu. di sana bdk2 pn dh diajar pegang senapang..pernah tak tgk ada wartawan yg menyusup menyamar jd jururawat dan macam2 lg yg rakam secara sorok2 yg budak2 ni berlatih menembak dgn laugan bunuh amerika dan letak gambar org putih?bayangkan dh 60 thn mereka di suap dgn ideologi tu..bkn mudah nk diubah..x ke nnt tetiba foreigner nnt takut nk jejak negara br nnt?mana laa tau deme ni igtkan org perancis tu org amerika..x memesal kena tembak free..contohnye laaah..
selain tu,keluarga Kim Il-Sung iaitu ank cucu dia yg tinggal skrg ni seharusnya tak nak benda ni terjadi.sebab? simple aje..akan hilang lah kuasa mutlak mereka nanti.. mcm laa dia x tau dunia mana nk sokong dia. ke mana kekayaan yg dikaut hasill penderitaan rakyatnya nanti?..mesti tak semewah skrg kan?selagi rakyat NK tu dibutakan hati oleh pemerintah,selagi Monarki Il-Sung ni wujud,selagi masih hidup rakyat NK ni,selagi tu lah penyatuan dua korea ni hanya mimpi bg aku. |
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selagi perkara2 yang menjadi pertikaian, tidak dipersetujui secara bersama... jgn harap KOREA nak bersatu.. |
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Post time 16-11-2006 01:19 PM
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