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Post time 7-7-2007 12:17 AM | Show all posts |Read mode
what is NLP?

modelling excellence. it stands for neuro linguistic programming.

ok dak agul?

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Post time 7-7-2007 01:21 PM | Show all posts

Reply #1 ajinomotonosuga's post

laa... takkan macam tu je...


Explain la sikit...
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 Author| Post time 7-7-2007 10:11 PM | Show all posts
lorr...kat web penuh segala bab pasal ni ler agul..aku nak explain apa nya plak.

dalam idup kita berlaku NLP pun kita ramai taksedor.

amik contoh menaip kibod..misal kita tak penah kenai pun pc ni kan? sonok nak berIRC, berporem..tau2 jari tu dah terer berdansa atas kibod..mata pandang skrin jekkk..jari tau mana nak pih..sapa ajar tuu? diri sendiri kan? kaedah apa tu..tu kira NLP ler..dari tak tau jadik excellence typist to berporem dengan kekawan hihihihi

tu contoh mudah pengalaman NLP. luas laa agul..terlalu luas sampai aku tokleh nak pendekkan kalo nak cite hihihihi

manusia di tuntut contohi akhlak Rasul..ni pun NLP tapi mamat tabligh aku jumpa seme takmo pakai pun hihihi

modelling excellence, modelling insan kamil, insan sempurna gitu..ada NLP nya..kene cek sejarah, kisah nabi dari kecik sampai wafat..tenguk perhati fikir dan aplikasi apa dia buat pada sesuatu masalah yang timbul..NLP gak kalo nak kembangkan haa k?

nak cite anak contohi ibu bapa or soal kalo koge violence misal ayah dan ibu salu gaduh, beri model buruk pada anak..pun ada NLP..hihihi abis mana satu ko nak ni agul hihiihi kalo bab basic tu alaaaaaaa lotih laa..pih site NLP banyokk kan?

otak, minda, nafsu antara lainnya semua ini di anugerah tuhan pada manusia di jadikan pekara itu semua dalam sifat 'kosong'

kita tokleh tetapkan nafsu tu jahat, otak tu baik, minda tu baik..tak bleh macam tuh..nature or ketetapan azali minda dan keinginan (heart and head) itu dalam sifat 'kosong'..ko bubuh merah merah lah hasil, ko bubuh hitam hitam lah hasil ko bubuh no..no lah hasil ko bubuh yes yes lah hasil..ni cyberntic scheme.

selain isu NLP cuba ko semak bab cybernetic.. pi google and type 'what is cybernetic' tu haa k?

pasal brain ni manusia sebut hanya progress the last 100 years, masa Roger Sperry dan kawan dia duk sebut ada left and right brain..padahal quran dah cite beribu taun dulu..sains neurology ni terlalu baru kalo ikut standard modern science, depa kata cuma dalam lingkungan 100 taun jek barunya, banding misal bidang kaji bintang or astronomy. Kalo rajin carik buku Dr Suzuki pasal 'The Universe Within'

tapi kalo nak spesifik or khusus soal NLP..i think boleh di fahami dari scheme sibernetik tuh..modelling excellence di mana kita definisi excellence tu success or goal completed, mission accomplished, precise concise elegant.

ko ada aim or goal. so goal lead to action lead to review lead to success. setiap action yang lead to success akan diterima brain, di simpan lam memory.setiap action yang menjauhkan goal akan dibuang. proses berulangan begini sampai goal or matlamat tercapai walo perbuatan tu beso kuman or remeh misal menaip di kibod nih.

takdak beza action taip kibod ni untuk sukses(hasilkan apa button kita nak tap) dengan missile terbang..konsep sibernetik terpakai. So NLP ialah aturcara  untuk otak manusia(training),macam pc zaman ni pakai windows vista dah so windows vista tu boleh di anggap the latest NLP gadget for personal computers(pc ada brain gak yakni depa punye unit processing tuh, ada peripherals macam anggota manusia ada mata, depa ada skrin)

vista or NLP untuk pc terbaru tu kira kaedah terbaru untuk MAXIMISE potensi pc ko ada aaa gitu. Intel tu kompeni kamceng ngan Microsoft. Depa intel buat motherboard canggih tapi software lembik slo tak bagus apa guna kan? So kene selari..maksud sini kalo oang jaguh silat tentuk program dia power banding murid dia kan? So kalo nak pandai silat belajo dari jaguh silat lah bukan dari murid2 dia btui dak? kecuali murid ada TAULIAH dari guru.

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Post time 8-7-2007 02:51 AM | Show all posts
'Common sense' tapi kompleks. Perlu ke ambil kursus NLP? Banyak sangat mirroring, anchoring semua...

Tapi kalau tak tengok aplikasi susah pulak nak guna. Nak belajar 'detail' ambil banyak masa. Ada tak konsep yang senang utk aplikasikan benda ni?

Macam Jeet Kune Do, konsep dan bukan teknik. biar lari dari 'traditional martial arts'.
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 Author| Post time 8-7-2007 04:25 PM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Agul at 8-7-2007 02:51 AM
'Common sense' tapi kompleks. Perlu ke ambil kursus NLP? Banyak sangat mirroring, anchoring semua...

Tapi kalau tak tengok aplikasi susah pulak nak guna. Nak belajar 'detail' ambil banyak masa ...


aku kasik ko 'rahsia' untuk ko pakai untuk dapatkan apaaaaaaaaaaa saja ko mahu lam idup ni..ko mau?

nak kata NLP art bleh.. nak kata ianya sains pun bleh.

the art and science of GETTING WHAT YOU WANT .

jeet kun do tu bruce lee asaskan..seingat aku dia ni dah tua2 skit..kuat berfalsafah. dia lain dari master lain, sebab pada bruce lee dia suka share dengan dunia apa dia tau but to other masters, ilmu tu kira 'surprise' buat enemy

mudah kata kalo ikut otak bruce lee..u takdok musuh kecuali urself, so why worry of others kalo even depa tu lebih handal dari kita. baik study jujitsu terus..lagi filosofik.

nanti la aku check balik buku NLP aku, kang aku cite mudah2 skit nak paham..tak yah cite mende lain sekadar NLP and its use k?
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Post time 8-7-2007 08:04 PM | Show all posts

Reply #5 ajinomotonosuga's post

Ok aji... more on practicalities as a Malaysian dweller. Bagila contoh2 yang berkaitan Malaysiana.

Berkaitan dengan kunci alam semesta tu adakah berkaitan secara langsung atau tak langsung dgn NLP?

Tak ramai yang tahu. Yang tahu pulak mungkin tak nak guna atau terlupa nak guna.

hmmm.... mana yang lain ni? dok main kat mana? Masuk la sini...
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Post time 8-7-2007 09:24 PM | Show all posts

Reply #6 Agul's post

In ada neh... baca jerk leh ar... fhm pun sipi2 jer, cmne nk join....
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Post time 8-7-2007 09:46 PM | Show all posts

Reply #7 indah1285's post

hentam sajalah...
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Post time 9-7-2007 06:18 PM | Show all posts
tahap DEWA nie..susah Dut nk faham arr   
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Post time 10-7-2007 07:23 AM | Show all posts

Reply #3 ajinomotonosuga's post

Sameri dr pos= So NLP ialah aturcara  untuk otak manusia(training),macam pc zaman ni pakai windows vista dah so windows vista tu boleh di anggap the latest NLP gadget for personal computers

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Post time 10-7-2007 03:36 PM | Show all posts

Reply #6 Agul's post

saya suke bebende mcm ni....nasib baik korang ade....thanks for the exposition!
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 Author| Post time 10-7-2007 07:25 PM | Show all posts
the beauty of NLP , dia tak emphasie about true false, dia lebih pentingkan isu useful.

that is the way my of thinking too. saya biasakan diri pada sesuatu yang ada guna berbanding samada ianya btui ka tidak.

sesiapa buleh dakwa kebenaran kepalsuan tentang sesuatu tapi pada saya semua itu tak penting, as long INFORMASI dia beri itu ada kegunaan untuk saya, saya guna. So it emphasise the importance of what is working, use it, what is not so discard it.

saya tak kisah cite dari quran ke hadis ke bidalan perumpaamaan sami buddha cakap ke tok imam cite ke sami hindu cite ke..apa pun mari, saya kaji dan kalo ada kegunaan, saya pakai selama mana boleh pakai dan sesuai di pakai.

oang mayu dulu pun pakai NLP, depa kata takdok akar rotan pun berguna. ni kalo edward de bono sebut oang cipta bidalan tu otak dia LATERAL THINKING, fikiran sisi..macam ada back up power gitu..mati letrik umah..sat2 idup seme balik sebab ada back up power.


NLP essence

-know what u want
-take action
-learn to notice the results of what u do
-be prepared to change ur behaviour until u get the result u are after

the principles of NLP (understanding these alone can bring remarkable improvement  in performance even the thinking performance?

-the map is not the territory
-underlying  all behaviour is a positive intention
- choice is better than no choice
- the meaning of ur communication is the response it produces
-there is no failure, only feedback


NLP produces ATTITUDE that will keep u going hammering all barriers to achieve what u desired. It is the way of 'better learning'. the ability to learn in the adventurous, enjoyable and exciting way, the way that a young  child learns, rather the way we learn from teacher at school or college. the ability to learn as u go.  Ppl are unaware of their excellence UNTIL it is pointed out. moreover they often CANNOT EXPLAIN WHAT THEY DO AND HOW THEY DO IT. Their skill has reached a level where it is operated subconsciously. Unconsciously mastery of any skill can be learned. Nanti sambung ye

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Post time 11-7-2007 10:16 AM | Show all posts
me pun tumpang baca....
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Post time 11-7-2007 02:20 PM | Show all posts

Reply #12 ajinomotonosuga's post

This is more on programming oneself. How about programmings others reaction?

Although I think that programming others is achieved by programming oneself...
changing ones train of thought, and changing the resultant personal action will change the result.

What I'm aiming at is that the skill/technique becomes automatic. Like riding the bycycles, once you get the hang of it that you can ride all you want...

Do we go for concept, or techniques?

Someones experience in using NLP in relationships could probably influence people by subtle body languagage alone. He can make you like or hate someone or something just by fine tuning his reaction based on yours. I can see that this could be useful for people that need to interact with people in their job. He could probably make you hate your boyfriend/girlfriend out of the blue, without reason. Not like hypnosis, but subtle still.

Some people really knows how to do this unconciously. They don't even have to learn about this formally.

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 Author| Post time 11-7-2007 04:17 PM | Show all posts
UNCONSCIOUS COMPETENCE
                 ^                                      |
                  |                                       |
conscious competence                        |
                  ^                                      |
                   |                                      |
conscious incompetence       << -----
                   ^
                    |                                                      
unconscious incompetence



yang bawah sekali tu bila manusia di lahirkan. yang atas sekali tu macam kamu misalnya bawak kete.

boleh paham dak? cuba fikir rajah tuh. kang saya cite.

[ Last edited by  ajinomotonosuga at 11-7-2007 04:30 PM ]

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Post time 11-7-2007 08:34 PM | Show all posts
umo kau brapa ajinonomoto?
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 Author| Post time 12-7-2007 03:50 AM | Show all posts
Originally posted by Qurnia at 11-7-2007 08:34 PM
umo kau brapa ajinonomoto?


kalo ikut kelender cina.. aku di lahirkan pada tahun ulau

ko agak2 lah hihihi
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Post time 12-7-2007 03:46 PM | Show all posts
ulau apa?.....
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Post time 12-7-2007 11:46 PM | Show all posts
Saya baru terbaca pasal zero state...

Kalau 48 jam lepas ni bercerita tentang keadaan 'keadaan kosong' ni memang saya akan rasa benda ni macam takde apenye... Merapu-meraban je...

Tapi lepas dengar rakaman dr Joe Vitale berkaitan Ho'oponopono baru nampak dia punya signifikasi. Secara teknikal bukan NLP tapi rasanya boleh dipakai secara praktikal.

Ringkas cerita ia satu 'state of being' dimana segalanya mungkin.

Cuma bagaimana caranya nk mengekalkan keadaan zero state tu dalam keadaan harian?

Kena study lagi pasal ni...
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Post time 13-7-2007 08:02 AM | Show all posts
ada satu buku pasal nlp ni yg dlm BM. ikut situasi mesia, .ada jual kat MPH. Tajuk dia...

Aura Intuisi NLP - Dr Ismail Alias publisher dia ITS

rasanya ni je yg dalam BM. bole aa faham sikit sikit.
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