Betulkah teori ni????

Agul

yeah.
metaphorically.

scinetifically, not sure though...

ussopp

what about the similarities between you, i mean black hole and neraka as describe as hadith nabi?

would you like to comment?

Agul

I don't know. Its beyond my figuring out.

ussopp

neraka ada api yang berwarna hitam....sama cam black hole....

so dont you think neraka has graviti like black hole? possible?

plus,  neraka punya api berubah warna resemble a life span of a star...walopun tak tepat sangat....

Agul

I don'r know. Even if I think this way or that, how can I know for sure.

Only way to know is to go to hell first.

At this moment it seems imposssible to do that yet.

hamizao

Yang Hami tahu, masa secara amnya, yang kita sedia maklum adalah satu ukuran berpandu kepada  matahari naik dan terbenam, siang dan malam dari perspektif manusia di dunia sahaja. Apabila di angkasa lepas ukuran ini  dah tak bermakna lagi. Di sana dah tak ada master clock. Jadi, depends on kelajuan sesuatu benda itu bergerak.................lagi laju dia bergerak lagi slow masa yang dia alami. Itulah orang ada berkata, bila kita buat space travel ...pi laju2 balik ke bumi selepas 40 tahun bumi-time, kita akan kelihatan lagi muda dari gang2 kita yang tinggal di bumi. Jadi masa tu tak sama dirasai oleh semua di universe ni. Dia relative...

ussopp

hehe....

we dont need to be so sure laa....i just want open discussion....

even scientist never go to black hole yet but they just continuing discussing about it.....

but if you say the only  way is just to go to hell to figure it out, then the discussion ends here....

ussopp

you rite....

teori melawan arus einstein ni telah mengetuk kepala newton tentang masa dan ruang mutlak......

nampak nya dunia ni memang betul2 di luar pengetahuan kita atau dengan kata lain, ilmu yg kita ada adalah masih setitis air laut dari laut yg luas...

hamizao

Mungkin juga tetapi tidak pula bermakna manusia tidak harus memikirkannya dgn alasan itu adalah urusanNYA. Juga kalau harapkan revealation/sabda Nabi semata2 lagilah kita tak boleh bayangkan macam mana, kan?

Konsep syurga dan neraka juga punya macam2. Ada yang kata itu bukannya tempat seperti KL atau Penang. Tetapi yang Hami masih ingat diantara diskripsi kiamat, matahari akan jauh hanya sejengkal dari kepala. Adakah ini bersamaan dengan matahari yang telah mengembang sehingga menjadi supernova? Mengikut kajian sesungguhnya bumi akan ditelannya dan manusia akan dah lama mati sebelum supernova itu sampai ke bumi dan kemudiannya menjadi black hole.

Agul

Thamk you for not quoting.

This is deleted as promised.

[ Last edited by  Agul at 12-6-2008 08:40 PM ]

ussopp

Originally posted by hamizao at 12-6-2008 12:09 AM
Mungkin juga tetapi tidak pula bermakna manusia tidak harus memikirkannya dgn alasan itu adalah urusanNYA. Juga kalau harapkan revealation/sabda Nabi semata2 lagilah kita tak boleh bayangkan maca ...

agreed...
wooo...
trying to imagine the phenomena in perspective of science or above science always give me goosebumps.....

ussopp

oo..you re not interested. so, noted.

aku_EnSeM

jenguk jap...

ussopp

apa barang jenguk2, cikgu...

mbhcsf

hi handsome ,, what have u gotta say?hmm?

all those the event horizon and so forth ?

Ussop  are u into this thing? the quantum etc etc? let us talk about ur field of reserach ...boleh tak?

ussopp

saya tak kerja lagi....tgh stadi in mechatronic engineering....tapi saya memang minat fizik tapi tak dapat masa apply dulu....

walopun tak dapat tapi rasanya tak dak masalah sebab saya buleh terus baca tentang fizik bila2 saya suka...

sekarang tgh cuti.

to be honest, i know nothing about quantum etc etc....saya hanya baca semua tu secara umum...bukan pakai calculation.

sudah lama saya cuba khatam buku introducing newton, introducing einstein dan introducing quantum( ni macam buku for dummies la)...

sampai sekarang, saya hanya mendapat ideanya secara umum sahaja....    
dan saya ada masalah susah nak pick up utk belajar sekarang! selalu blur.

so open discussion kat sini mmg bergune utk saya...

thats my situasi.....

Agul

there are some good info on this. especially regarding theory of everything, toe (or theory of end? i'm not sure...) that seeks to explain and be the missing link between mechanical and modern physics.

try some google.

Agul

than you for not quoting. the reason that i don't want to discuss about this if I'm to be really honest and speaks up my mind it will opens up cans of worm for most people and people will questioning and questoning on their own model of reality and two things will happen, some will be quite upset and get really offended while some may have to  make a major adjustment in their model of  reality. so, as i don't have concrete evidence of it yet in my own life and experiment, i refrain from talking about it.

So i'm sorry that I can't talk about it. But if you people like it, then its perfectly ok to discuss all you want.

hamizao

For Mr Don't Want To Be Quoted, it is  definetely much easier I guess for physicists to delve into the physical world. However, there has also been some opinion on the non-physical level. Here is something I read a long time ago.....

Heaven and hell is the transitional experience between death of the physical body and ultimate  spiritual survivorship of eternal life. It is supposed to be subject to what one does during one's lifetime............standard of divinity, peity and goodness. A good person, for example, would find that transition and acclimatization period smooth and very pleasant. For an evil person, it would feel ages and far from pleasant.....like the heat of hell fire.......Hmmm.. akin of the idea of  judgement days that many of us may hold !

Agul

Well it's a dangerous thing, this venturing into things that we have been pre-conditioned to believe. You might find something that may changes you forever.

And those people I talk about that sets up these huge institute, they are scientist, physicist, and engineer. So they went on the engineering and scientific way. Setting up controlled and rigorous experiment. Finding proof and evidence.

That's why I told someone that something I can talk about, something I will not. People may get offended, thinking I'm loco and wtf'ng me... (my, this is a first, ) If you're in-to it, you'll find it anyway. Thing is, most of us are already set in our model of reality, and we'll go all we can to protect it.

I hope my explaination are vague and ambiguous enough.

O my should I delete this one too?