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TELL US NOW WHICH VERSE IN GITA AND VERDA AS YOU CLAIMED SAYING THAT NECESSARY REQUIREMENT TO USE SYMBOL AS A FORM OF WORSHIPING ACT?
See, trying to divert the topic and putting yourself in more trouble????? |
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TELL US NOW WHICH VERSE IN GITA AND VERDA AS YOU CLAIMED SAYING THAT NECESSARY REQUIREMENT TO USE SYMBOL AS A FORM OF WORSHIPING ACT?
Deiiiiiiii minachiiiiiiii
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TELL US NOW WHICH VERSE IN GITA AND VERDA AS YOU CLAIMED SAYING THAT NECESSARY REQUIREMENT TO USE SYMBOL AS A FORM OF WORSHIPING ACT?
Deiiiiiiii minachiiiiiiii
sudah takut ka????? |
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Dear Pendakwa, saya memahami kehendak anda yang hendaka mendalami agama Hindu amat suci ini. Biar saya jelaskan dengan lebih lanjut mengenai cara penyembahan kami kepada Tuhan yang amat mulia (Parabrahmam) kami.
Sememangnya tidak diberitahu bahawa kami mestilah menggunakan simbol atau urchavar/ silai uruvam untuk tujuan penyembahan kami, tetapi Hinduism mempunyai cabang yang sangat besar iaitu Saivism yang menyembah Dewa Siva sebagai Tuhan utama yang mempunyai konsep Rupa Bentuk Manusia (Nadarajar), Rupa Bentuk Simbol (Shiva Lingam), Tiada Rupa (Jothy), iainya merupakan kebebasan dalam Hinduism supaya mengharungi kesemua peringkat satau persatu untuk memudahkan penganutnya untuk mengenali siapa tuhan yang sebenar tanpa membuta tuli. Itulah tujuannya kami menggunakan simbol serta silai yang berupa figura manusia. Ianya mempunyai pendekatan sebagai kawan, ibu, abang, bapa dan sebagainya yang dapat mengurangkan jurang diantara Tuhan dengan manusia agar lebih rapat disisi Tuhan melalui pelbagai rupa yang digemari. Ianya lebih mudah. Inilah kecantikkan Hinduism yang amat mulia. Harap ianya dapat membantu pemahaman mengenai agama Hindu ini. |
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Dear Mr Kirhmuru, thank you for the explanation. I have nothing against Hinduism as I believe as a human being, we were taught to respect others. It was because ethics and dicipline that Bristish was kicked out from India (Mahatma Gandhi). It was ethics and dicipline that tyranic regime in Iran was being wiped out by the Ayatollah Khomeini. Of course i will read and explore your statement.
But I want you to confirm here that what Sephiroth claimed that there were verse in Gita and Verda is false accusations???? Be man enough to admit |
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Reply 205# pendakwa
sorry but i cant understand your need towards which false accusations? Vedham? Geethai? What u wanna know? As ar as i know..it says...no violence among living organisms on earth..what else u wanna know? Sorry, i cant get ur question... |
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(Question from budak kampung)
Saya dah baca dari mula sampai habis forum ni. Sangat menarik ruang untuk mencari persefahaman untuk pergaduhan. Cuma saya tak jelas satu benda jer " PARAMATHMA bermaksud roh yang sangat suci dan tulen...ianya tidak mempunyai rupa dan tubuh ". PARAMATHA ADALAH tUHAN YANG MAHA AGUNG. Memiliki segala sifat keagungan. Kenapa penganut Hindu tak terus menyembahnya dan memohon kepadanya tanpa ada perantara Dewa-dewa dan dewi-Dewi yang lain ?.
(Sephiroth answer)
Kerana ianya sesuatu yg merbahaya utk berbuat demikian.
Dlm Veda dan Bhavagad Gita, disarankan manusia patut mengambil "symbol" utk Tuhan (spt patung, nama, sesuatu bentuk spt Sivalingam dan sebagainya) dan menjadikan symbol ini sbg tumpuan utk menyembah dan berhubung dgnNya.
So my question is
Which verse in Gita or Verda supporting her claimed as what she said? If you cannot prove your statement, means you are lying in refering to your statement. So, I'm asking you now, which verse? |
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Reply 207# pendakwa
Apakata kita tanya aje kepada Sephiroth terus? memandangakn beliau mungking mempunyai penjelasan yang lebih baik mengenai cara ini mengikut vedham dan juga geethai?
Maaf saya tidak begitu pasti mengenai apa yang diberikan dalam geetha disebabkan ianya merupakan satu saranan sahaja bukan suatu kewajipan untuk penganut beragama Hindu berbuat demikian...again...ianya merupakan satu pilihan mereka bagaimana hendak menyembah Tuhan dalam apa jua bentuk atau bukan bentuk...sekian. Bersamalah kita menambah pengetahuan mengenai agama Hindu. |
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Post Last Edit by pendakwa at 14-11-2010 19:41
Reply 208# kirhmuru
Saudara dah pun memberi statement bertentangan dgn dia dan saya rasa dia tak akan menjawabnya sebab
tidak ada disebutkan sepertimana dia claimed.
Kalau tak sudah lama dia menjawabnya. Saya anggapkan Sephiroth menipu dan awak haruslah berani mengatakan yg benar (Therefroe whoever spekas the truth is said to speak Dharma) so she lied.
Anyway, Im waiting |
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Post Last Edit by pendakwa at 14-11-2010 19:37
Dan sekiranya terbukti sephiroth menipu maka dia adalah bukan seorang Hindu yg mengikut Gita sebab didalam Gita disebut
"na karmanam anaramhan naiskarmyam puruso snute na ca sanyasanad eva siddhim samadhigaccathi" (Gita 3-4)
Meaning - A person can never achieve freedom from reactions to activities without first performing prescribe Vedic Duties, neither can perfection be attained by renouncing them as well.
What is Vedic duites?
From the Mahabharata, Santi Parva, LX
The suppression of wrath, truthfullness of speech, justice, forgiveness, begetting children upon one's own wedded wife, purity of conduct, avoidance of quarrel, simplicity, and maintenance of dependants, these nine duties belong to all the four orders equally.
So tell me, Sephorith a Hindu believer who has been barking about Gita but not following Gita at all?
Look at the bold words...are those words representing Sephiroth behavior???? |
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(Question from budak kampung)
Saya dah baca dari mula sampai habis forum ni. Sangat menarik ruang ...
pendakwa Post at 13-11-2010 12:16 
Aku juga memberikan sebab2 KENAPA ianya "merbahaya" utk cuba berhubung dgn paramatham secara terus.
Sekiranya seseorang itu cuba menghubungi terus Paramathma secara langsung, kemungkinan besar :
1. Dia tak akan berjaya kerana banyak kekurangan dlm dirinya - spt Ego (musuh utama Spiritualism).
2. Sekiranya berjaya pun, ianya tak akan berkekalan - Pendeta2 bertapa bertahun2 semata2 utk melihatNya utk seketika.
3. Manusia tak sabar dan banyak yg tak dpt bertahan diuji. Manusia2 ygtak tahan diuji ini akan mengatakan Tuhan tak ada kerana si dia takpernah menemuiNya.
4. Tak munasabah kalau nak kacau Tuhan setiap hari - kamu fikir Dia tak ada kerja lain kah?
Dan banyak lagi sebab2 yg boleh diutarakan secara logik.
Apasal kau tak memasukan informasi itu ke sini? Kalau nak reference utk kenyataan di atas, cubalah kau baca bahagian "Bakti Yoga" dlm Bhavagad Gita. Itu je aku boleh cakap. Aku tak mahu menjelaskan satu persatu kpd kau. Saya andaikan kamu masih menpunyai otak yg boleh berfikir dan menbaca. :re: |
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by Pendakwa
The suppression of wrath, truthfullness of speech, justice, forgiveness, begetting children upon one's own wedded wife, purity of conduct, avoidance of quarrel, simplicity, and maintenance of dependants, these nine duties belong to all the four orders equally.
So tell me, Sephorith a Hindu believer who has been barking about Gita but not following Gita at all? Look at the bold words...are those words representing Sephiroth behavior????
I'm an Asuran, I do not need to follow such behavior. 
However, my sword is in His service, and how I serve Him is between me and God.
In kali yuga, when ignorant and evil-minded people acts holy and pure-minded in order to trick others, it will take an Asuran to bring back Dharma back into the World. Even if it means Hell, I'm willing for sake of Dharma.  |
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Aku juga memberikan sebab2 KENAPA ianya "merbahaya" utk cuba berhubung dgn paramatham secara ter ...
Sephiroth Post at 15-11-2010 08:58 
Sebab tu sebab kamu dan kamu ternyat sipenipu so not important.
Where in Gita and verda stated that you need to worship Idol???? Which verse???
Sudah bau belit2 mcm ular ka??? |
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Sebab tu sebab kamu dan kamu ternyat sipenipu so not important.
Where in Gita and verda stated ...
pendakwa Post at 15-11-2010 18:32
Kalau kau anggap aku seorang penipu, apasal kau tanya dgn aku?
kau akan hanya menganggap apa2 yg tak bersesuaian dgn kepala otak kamu yg bermasalah itu sbg penipuan dan ianya hanya akan menbuang masa aku je. Sebab inilah aku tak layan kamu. |
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Kalau kau anggap aku seorang penipu, apasal kau tanya dgn aku?
kau akan hanya menganggap apa2 ...
Sephiroth Post at 16-11-2010 08:22
to just prove that you lied all this while
finally truth revealed..... |
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to just prove that you lied all this while
finally truth revealed.....
pendakwa Post at 16-11-2010 13:01
Calling one a liar does not make him/her a liar. It is your opinion that I have lied to you. I have NOTHING to prove to you (or Muslims). This discussion is offtopic. |
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Reply 217# Sephiroth
off topic bcoz u lied and afraid to admit.
Liar |
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TELL US NOW WHICH VERSE IN GITA AND VERDA AS YOU CLAIMED SAYING THAT NECESSARY REQUIREMENT TO USE SYMBOL AS A FORM OF WORSHIPING ACT?
Deiiiiiiii minachiiiiiiii
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