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Lets play a little game shall we?
setuju - does the english meaning starts with the letter A?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha........................ |
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Sonny you oafish buffoon!
who the hell is britain to make forked tongue promises over PALESTINE?
BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE BEST POSITION TO DO SO! Conversely, Arabs could refuse & continue kowtow to the Turks!
[quote]how many PALESTINIAN jews that have been made 搑efugees |
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based on ur source its proven beyond reasonable doubt that theres DRASTIC INFLUX of imported jews
You went on beating about the bush on my source & took some figures out of context to serve your filthy agenda. Why don't you continue below the page on "Illegal Immigration in the 1930s"? Why won't you mention about the unrecorded/unregistered/unreported or without approval/permit illegal immigrants apprehended were not Jewish??
If it were Malaysia, these illegal baboon would be tapau back to where they came from! Malaysia demolished illegal immigrants' houses in Sabah, Cameron Highlands, then send them packing back!
With hordes of Arab illegal immigrants swarming in, you expect the native Palestinians welcome them with open arms & legs??! Right? Right, sonny right?? And these imported Arabs are like Red Indons!
jews still constitute minority n u expect jews to rule PALESTINE 50 50 with muslims n others
Where did I advocate Palestine be ruled 50-50?? I never said that. You just make it up!! I only say Balfour assured Arabs would govern their own states(negeri)! Stop hallucinating!
the notion that PALESTINIAN muslims breed like rabbits is proven
You're WRONG! They can't be 800% surge by just giving birth on mathematical calculations as affirmed in many sources & organizations! They are IMMIGRANTS!!! |
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so how come jews population is 716,700/650,000(?) in israel in 1948 aginst 700,539 in PALESTINE in 1942?
The figure is correct. 700k Jews in Palestine in 1942. Israel haven't even born. In 1948, some have fled to America & Europe again. Judenrein sonny.... Judenrein.... why don't you say anything on Judenrein?? Not all of them fled to Israel.
me 2 sources r QUITE credible in that it shows a difference of 1,000 between jews n arabs despite the HARDfact UNISPAL used the word 揈STIMATED擺/quote]
Soooony you moron! Already said to you it was BEFORE the Arabs leave Israel! Unispal's estimation fall short after Arabs leave Israel in light of upcoming Arab Army invasion! Thus, the figures NO LONGER HOLD!
[quote]United Nations (UN) General Assembly approved in 1947
You keep disputing the 1000 difference with an old record suggestion of 1947! What TOOK PLACE in 1948 is ALREADY HAPPENED that inked into the HISTORY BOOKS! If you still want to linger with the old irrelevant SUGGESTIONS of 1947, go ahead! Bang your head!
What he says or any Zionist leaders says are NOT the crux! When Syed Jaafar Albar inciting racial riots with his grandiloquence, did the Malays exterminate us Chinese like cows & chickens?!! What an INDIVIDUAL says does not represent the whole race of the Malays! Likewise, not what a few harsh speech represetn the WHOLE JEWS! The British are the to check them. However, it is also Arabs' fault when they turn the whole thing a mess prompting the British leaving their mandate! If Arabs didn't acted rashly, Palestine would still be intact! Can't all blame on the Jews!!
no url from SONNY. uh huh. u can easily look it up urself if ure truly honest in lookin for HARDtruth without waitin to be spoonfed
Of course you don't wanna give me your source. Because it is truly from HATE SITES! Pro-Palestinian anti-Israeli HATE SITE. That shows what your substance are! |
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Admiral...just forget about sonny...once he made up his mind..u cant change anything..he's blind and ignorant...:cf: |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 7-4-2004 00:02:
Lets play a little game shall we?
setuju - does the english meaning starts with the letter A?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha........................ |
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the answer is all right at the top of this page.
don't yu know that cari has an online dictionary? Hahahahahahahahahaha.......... |
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Originally posted by Adm_Cheng_Ho at 2004-4-7 08:53 PM:
Sonny you oafish buffoon!
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commonsense tells u it dont make sense for arab governments to instigate israeli PALESTINIANS to leave israel
It is pretty clear you have no idea about the whole situation making yourself a blind ammo for the Arab politicians!
Sonny. If you are unaware of what really happened, I could compromise on your ignorance. However, if you continue to make baseless & yet stupid accusations, I shouldn't be hold back attacking a moralless liar! Majority Israeli Arabs left on the orders of Arab leadership.
->On May 15, 1948, "the Mufti of Jerusalem appealed to the Arabs of Palestine to leave the country, because the Arab armies were about to enter and fight in their stead…" (Akhbar El-Yom, Cairo, October 12, 1963)
->"The Arab states, which had encouraged the Palestine Arabs to leave their homes temporarily in order to be out of the way of the Arab invasion armies, have failed to keep their promises to return." (Filastin, Jordan, February 19, 1949)
->"The Arab governments told us: 'Get out so that we can get in!' So we got out, but they did not get in." (Ad-Difaa, Jordan, September 6, 1954)
->"Since 1948 we have been demanding the return of the refugees to their homes. But we ourselves are the ones who encouraged them to leave. Only a few months separated our call to them to leave and our appeal to the United Nations to resolve on their return." (The Memoirs of Haled al Azm, Syrian Prime Minister in 1948-49, Beirut, 1973)
As you believe in UNRWA, used it as facts before, why don't you say anything about Ralph Galloway's frustration on what the Arabs states had done to the refugee problems?! Why hide that one away?!!!!
read. me respond more comprehensively later ;)
from UN source
III. THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON PALESTINE
When the second session of the United Nations General Assembly convened in September 1947 it constituted itself as an Ad Hoc Committee to deal with the Palestine question while considering in its normal session the other items on its agenda.
The essential points of the Special Committee on Palestine's majority and minority plans were as given below: (delete)
" opulation - The figures given for the distribution of the settled population in the two proposed States ... are approximately as follows:
Jews Arabs and other Total
The Jewish State 498 000 407 000 905 000
The Arab State 10 000 725 000 735 000
City of Jerusalem 100 000 105 000 205 000
"In addition there will be in the Jewish State about 90,000 (Arab) Bedouins ...
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V. THE END OF THE MANDATE AND THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL
The situation in Palestine
The United Nations partition resolution did not provide a solution to the Palestine problem, and violence increased. In protest against the partition of their country, the Palestinian Arab Higher Committee called for a general strike. Palestinian-Jewish clashes proliferated with Jewish paramilitary forces operating more freely as British forces started their withdrawal. Sabotage, attacks on military installations and the capture of British arms by these groups became a major feature of the Palestinian scene, along with a proliferation of Jewish-Arab clashes. With events moving towards a major armed confrontation, Great Britain announced that it would terminate the Mandate on 15 May 1948, several months before the time envisaged in the United Nations plan. (delete)
Zionist policies of territorial expansion
As the British Government progressively disengaged from Palestine, and the United Nations was unable to replace it as an effective governing authority, the Zionist movement moved to establish control over the territory of the nascent Jewish State. At the same time the bordering Arab States made clear that they would intervene.
From writings of Zionist leaders, it is evident that Zionist policy was to occupy, during the period of withdrawal, as much territory as possible (including the "West Bank") beyond the boundaries assigned to the Jewish State by the partition resolution. A comprehensive military plan, called Plan "D" (or Dalet) was described by an Israeli official: (delete)
Ben-Gurion writes:
"... Field troops and Palmach in particular were thus deployed and quickly showed the mettle that was soon to animate our army and bring it victory.
"... New Jerusalem was occupied, and the guerrillas were expelled from Haifa, Jaffa, Tiberias, Safad while still the Mandatory was present. It needed sagacity and self-control not to fall foul of the British army. The Hagana did its job; until a day or two before the Arab invasion not a settlement was lost, no road cut, although movement was seriously dislocated, despite express assurances of the British to keep the roads safe so long as they remained. Arabs started fleeing from the cities almost as soon as disturbances began in the early days of December 1947. As fighting spread, the exodus was joined by bedouin and fellahin, but not the remotest Jewish homestead was abandoned and nothing a tottering Administration (meaning the British Mandatory) could unkindly do stopped us from reaching our goal on May 14, 1948 in a State made larger and Jewish by the Haganah ..." 68/ (delete)
The first Palestinian exodus
This territorial expansion by the use of force resulted in a large-scale exodus of refugees from the areas of hostilities. Palestinians allege that this was part of a deliberate policy to displace Palestinian Arabs to make room for immigrants, and quote Zionist sources, including Herzl:
"We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it any employment in our own country.
"Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly". 69/
Herzl's plans in respect of the size of the Jewish State are cited as another item of evidence of this policy. Describing a 1939 meeting with Churchill, Weizmann writes:
"... (I) thanked him for his unceasing interest in Zionist affairs. I said: 'You have stood at the cradle of the enterprise. I hope you will see it through'. Then I added that after the war we would want to build up a State of three or four million Jews in Palestine. His answer was: 'Yes, I quite agree with that'." 70/
Palestinians also charge that the terrorizing of the civilian population through military or psychological means was an integral part of this policy of expelling Palestinians, and again cite Zionist writings:
"... Between ourselves it must be clear that there is no room for both peoples together in this country ... We shall not achieve our goal of being an independent people with the Arabs in this small country. The only solution is a Palestine, at least western Palestine (west of the Jordan river) without Arabs ... And there is no other way than to transfer the Arabs from here to the neighbouring countries, to transfer all of them; not one village, not one tribe, should be left ... Only after this transfer will the country be able to absorb the millions of our own brethren. There is no other way out;..." 71/
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One of the most notorious cases of the terrorizing of civilian population occurred, according to Palestinian and other sources, in April 1948 at Deir Yassin, a village near Jerusalem, situated in territory assigned to the Jewish State by the partition resolution. A former Israeli military governor of Jerusalem writes:
"We suffered a reverse of a different nature on April 9 when combined Etzel and Stern Gang units mounted a deliberate and unprovoked attack on the Arab village of Deir Yassin on the western edge of Jerusalem. There was no reason for the attack. It was a quiet village, which had denied entry to the volunteer Arab units from across the frontier and which had not been involved in any attacks on Jewish areas. The dissident groups chose it for strictly political reasons. It was a deliberate act of terrorism ...
"... Women and children had not been given time enough to evacuate the village, although warned to do so by loudspeaker, and there were many of them among the 254 persons reported by the Arab Higher Committee as killed.
"The event was a disaster in every way. The dissidents held the village for two days and then abandoned it. They earned the contempt of most Jews in Jerusalem, and an unequivocal public repudiation by the Jewish Agency. But they gave the Arabs a strong charge against us, and the words 'Deir Yassin' were used over and over again both to justify their own atrocities and to persuade Arab villagers to join the mass flight which was now taking place all over Palestine." 72/
Other Zionist leaders deny the charges, making this a controversiot case. Begin writes:
"The enemy propaganda was designed to besmirch our name. In the result it helped us. Panic overwhelmed the Arabs of Eretz Yisrael ... the Arabs began to flee in terror, even before they clashed with Jewish forces. Not what happened in Deir Yassin, but what was invented about Deir Yassin, helped to carve the way to our decisive victories on the battlefield. The legend of Deir Yassin helped us in particular in the conquest of Haifa ... All the Jewish forces proceeded to advance through Haifa like a knife through butter. The Arabs began fleeing in panic, shouting: 'Deir Yassin!'" 73/
Whatever the versions of this controversiot case, the psychological effect of such incidents was a mass exodus of the civilian population.
The psychological tactics used are described by Yigal Allon:
"I gathered all the Jewish mukhtars, who have contact with Arabs in different villages, and asked them to whisper in the ears of some Arabs, that a great Jewish reinforcement has arrived in Galilee and that it is going to burn all of the villages of the Huleh. They should suggest to these Arabs, as their friends, to escape while there is still time. And the rumour spread in all the areas of the Huleh that it is time to flee. The flight numbered myriads. The tactic reached its goal completely. The building of the police station at Halsa fell into our hands without a shot. The wide areas were cleaned, the danger was taken away from the transportation routes and we could organize ourselves for the invaders along the borders, without worrying about the rear". 74/
The terror that spread among the Palestinian population was a crucial factor affecting developments in Palestine. It led to a mass exodus of refugees into neighbouring countries. The number of Palestinian refugees resulting from these hostilities were estimated to number 726,000 75/ by the end of 1949 - half the indigenous population of Palestine. Charges that their flight had been incited by Arab leaders is refuted by a United Nations report noting that the refugees either fled from the war or were expelled:
"As a result of the conflict in Palestine, almost the whole of the Arab population fled or was expelled from the area under Jewish occupation".
"... an alarming number of persons have been displaced from their homes. Arabs form the vast majority of the refugees in Palestine and the neighbouring countries. The future of these Arab refugees is one of the questions under dispute, the solution of which presents very great difficulties ...
"The majority of these refugees have come from territory which, under the Assembly resolution of 29 November, was to be included in the Jewish State. The exodus of Palestinian Arabs resulted from panic created by fighting in their communities, by rumours concerning real or alleged acts of terrorism, or expulsion ..." 76/
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You are a very lousy debater!
First, you INSIST there are only 1000 difference in Israel's population. Now you say there are 498k Jews and 408k Arabs TO BE allocated to Israel. Wondering about the 408. Your number keeps fluctuating, inconsistent, inaccurate & taken out of context!
Second, you have yet to give any substantial evidence that Jews started the whole hostilities! You also failed to counter your own 1929 account of Arab hostilities toward Jews. Anything said AFTER 1929 is nonsensical henceforth for this discussion on who started the first hostilities.
There are many challenges I've thrown at you but you failed to answer for it but seek to clings on to fallacies.
I guess that's about it. You have no substance. You're only good at SPEWING FAECES that you eagerly swallow from the Arab mouthpiece. Now you're regurgitating them out like parrot.
I really despise you further... |
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Somebody is trying to provoke something here :dia::gado: |
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sonny wants to incite hatred for Jews cos its part of his religion. He will distort facts and figures in order to paint a bad picture of them.
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Originally posted by Seraphim at 5-3-04 09:07 PM:
Anyway if Israel reall wanna so called screw or destroy the Palestinians,They could have done it many many time in multiple ways ..They just wont do it..I guess the Israelis are dumb yar..
Yes they could wipe out all Palestinians like Hitler did but do you think anyone is gonna let them do this in present? Hell NO!
That's why they are doing this slowly and intensively. It's more painful for Palestinians. When the Palestinians fighting back Israelis will pull the chain and Palestinians are on fire! This is the only one reason for them to kill more and more Palestinians.
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if they wanted to kill arabs, why bother to do it slowly and suffer terrorism? |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 14-4-04 07:51 AM:
if they wanted to kill arabs, why bother to do it slowly and suffer terrorism?
Because they are stupid! Why cant they learn from their own great Hitler?l |
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Originally posted by DARSITA at 14-4-2004 23:48:
Yes they could wipe out all Palestinians like Hitler did but do you think anyone is gonna let them do this in present? Hell NO!
That's why they are doing this slowly and intens ...
:setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju::setuju: |
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Originally posted by Debmey at 14-4-2004 23:51:
if they wanted to kill arabs, why bother to do it slowly and suffer terrorism?
simple, they are hidding under the skin of fighting terrorism, in which the world now start to see their true colours. if they had done so very aggresively, then the world would have the strong reaction and war will definitely be inevitable. The can't fight against the whole world. Even the so called "mighty"Us also try to get world support in the Iraq invasion, knowing that if the world would unite and take up arms agaist the US, they would not survive. The worst is that all die, including the US. So, what can they do??? Apply their plans under the skin of champions of Human rigths and justice, freedom, truth and peace but they are the ones who breached all of it.
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Originally posted by ariyamusafir at 16-4-2004 05:24 PM:
simple, they are hidding under the skin of fighting terrorism, in which the world now start to see their true colours. if they ahd done so very aggresively, then the world would have ...
Agree with you, furthermore....
Who will get the real benefit of US occupation of Iraq? US citizens? No.. US government? half true.. but the real benefoit goes to the contractors and giant company in oil deliveries from Iraq... and guess who own them? JEWS!
Furthermore.... Which Arab country could harm Israel most? Iraq! because Iraq has capabilities in launching their rocket right to the middle of Israel... and they have proven before....in term of military strategy this Iraq occupation bring bless to JEWS!
Who is the biggest aid supporter for Israel? its US.... how much? more than enough to feed their every people for the whole year without they have to do anything...hmm... who control this regulation in US administrative? JEWS!
Yes... JEWS control USA and indirectly control the world... |
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Originally posted by kid at 16-4-2004 17:46:
Agree with you, furthermore....
Who will get the real benefit of US occupation of Iraq? US citizens? No.. US government? half true.. but the real benefoit goes to the contractors and giant c ...
After all, one of the reasons people believed US go to war is because of Israel. |
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Got to go now, need to go do important stuff. Tomorrow, after 11pm, I will be fully back in action. Debmey, I will be seeing you more often |
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Post time 7-4-2004 08:53 PM
