WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT MUHAMMAD (PEACE BE UPON HIM) THE PROPHET OF ISLAM

Originally posted by weedkiller at 28-8-2006 02:02 PM

this shows that you didn't bother to read. i did admit it was a prophecy on post #175. together with the verses from the indonesian bible for your understanding.

If u admit its a prophecy, its ok. Why cant that verse point to Prophet Muhammad  according to you ? You are willing to campare with every other prophet, but why it cant be Prophet Muhammad ? Have any solid reason ?

again you did not read.
In Acts 3:12, which crowd did Peter addressed to regarding the prophecy of Moses?
The Israelite.

And in Acts 3:13 onwards which 'prophet' did Peter refered to?
Jesus.

Originally posted by weedkiller at 28-8-2006 04:57 PM
again you did not read.
In Acts 3:12, which crowd did Peter addressed to regarding the prophecy of Moses?
The Israelite.

And in Acts 3:13 onwards which 'prophet' did Peter refered to?
Jesus.

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. Acts 3:22

Where does it says Jesus ?

again, you did not read. starting from Acts 3:13 onwards who is it that Peter was focusing on in his speech?

The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. Acts 3:13

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 322:26

From the Indonesian Bible

Musa pernah berkata, 'Allah Tuhanmu akan mengutus kepadamu seorang nabi dari bangsamu sendiri, seperti Ia mengutus aku. Kamu harus mendengar semua yang dikatakan oleh nabi itu kepadamu. Orang yang tidak memperhatikan apa yang dikatakan oleh nabi itu, orang itu akan disingkirkan dari umat Allah dan dibinasakan.' Nabi-nabi yang pernah menyampaikan berita dari Allah, mulai dari Nabi Samuel dan nabi-nabi lainnya yang datang kemudian, semuanya memberitakan tentang zaman ini. Janji-janji dari Allah yang disampaikan oleh nabi-nabi adalah untuk Saudara-saudara. Dalam perjanjian yang Allah buat dengan nenek moyangmu, Allah berkata kepada Abraham begini, 'Dari keturunanmu Aku akan memberkati segala bangsa di bumi.' Perjanjian itu adalah untuk kalian juga. Itu sebabnya Allah memilih Hamba-Nya, lalu menyuruh Dia datang kepada kalian terlebih dahulu, supaya Ia memberkati kalian. Caranya Ia memberkati ialah dengan membuat Saudara-saudara sekalian bertobat dari cara hidupmu yang jahat." Kisah-kisah Rasul 3:22-26

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people. Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 322:26

Hey, it didnt say that prophecy point to Jesus. Read properly.

Musa pernah berkata, 'Allah Tuhanmu akan mengutus kepadamu seorang nabi dari bangsamu sendiri, seperti Ia mengutus aku. Kamu harus mendengar semua yang dikatakan oleh nabi itu kepadamu. Orang yang tidak memperhatikan apa yang dikatakan oleh nabi itu, orang itu akan disingkirkan dari umat Allah dan dibinasakan.' Nabi-nabi yang pernah menyampaikan berita dari Allah, mulai dari Nabi Samuel dan nabi-nabi lainnya yang datang kemudian, semuanya memberitakan tentang zaman ini. Janji-janji dari Allah yang disampaikan oleh nabi-nabi adalah untuk Saudara-saudara. Dalam perjanjian yang Allah buat dengan nenek moyangmu, Allah berkata kepada Abraham begini, 'Dari keturunanmu Aku akan memberkati segala bangsa di bumi.' Perjanjian itu adalah untuk kalian juga. Itu sebabnya Allah memilih Hamba-Nya, lalu menyuruh Dia datang kepada kalian terlebih dahulu, supaya Ia memberkati kalian. Caranya Ia memberkati ialah dengan membuat Saudara-saudara sekalian bertobat dari cara hidupmu yang jahat." Kisah-kisah Rasul 3:22-26

In the english versian its stated Jesus, in malay it stated Allah memilih hambanya!!! What is it ? Another translation error? Allah in Bible ???

Musa pernah berkata, 'Allah Tuhanmu akan mengutus kepadamu seorang nabi dari bangsamu sendiri, seperti Ia mengutus aku. Kamu harus mendengar semua yang dikatakan oleh nabi itu kepadamu. Orang yang tidak memperhatikan apa yang dikatakan oleh nabi itu, orang itu akan disingkirkan dari umat Allah dan dibinasakan.' Nabi-nabi yang pernah menyampaikan berita dari Allah, mulai dari Nabi Samuel dan nabi-nabi lainnya yang datang kemudian, semuanya memberitakan tentang zaman ini. Janji-janji dari Allah yang disampaikan oleh nabi-nabi adalah untuk Saudara-saudara. Dalam perjanjian yang Allah buat dengan nenek moyangmu, Allah berkata kepada Abraham begini, 'Dari keturunanmu Aku akan memberkati segala bangsa di bumi.' Perjanjian itu adalah untuk kalian juga. Itu sebabnya Allah memilih Hamba-Nya, lalu menyuruh Dia datang kepada kalian terlebih dahulu, supaya Ia memberkati kalian. Caranya Ia memberkati ialah dengan membuat Saudara-saudara sekalian bertobat dari cara hidupmu yang jahat." Kisah-kisah Rasul 3:22-26

In the english versian its stated Jesus, in malay it stated Allah memilih hambanya!!! What is it ? Another translation error? Allah in Bible ???

And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts 3:26

so if you don't see Jesus there, what do you see? Well to me Jesus' name was mentioned there. but i don't see Muhammad. unless you want to talk about that brethren grandfather stories again.

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 28-8-2006 05:59 PM


In the english versian its stated Jesus, in malay it stated Allah memilih hambanya!!! What is it ? Another translation error? Allah in Bible ???

Allah means God in the Bible. Hambanya as in Jesus. note the capital letter.

Originally posted by weedkiller at 28-8-2006 06:00 PM
And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities. Acts ...

First of all, it didnt say the verse 18:18 refers to jesus. His name is mentioned but how could i know it refers to the prophecy ? Can show me the connection, rather than tellling me ur grandmother stories in Indonesian language.

Allah means God in the Bible. Hambanya as in Jesus. note the capital letter.

You just make me laugh here. I thought GOD is Tuhan. Only now i know Hambanya means Jesus. :lol

All?h is the Arabic language word referring to "God", "the Lord" and, literally according to the Qur'an, to the "God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" in the Abrahamic religions. It does not mean "a god", but rather "the Only God", the Supreme Creator of the universe, and it is the main term for the deity in Islam.
Most Arabic-speaking Muslims, Christians and Jews (including the Yemenite Jews, several Mizraḥi communities and some Sephardim) use "All?h" as the proper noun for "God". All?h is found in the Qur'an and in Arabic translations of both the Tanakh and the Gospels and even in the Indonesian translations of the Bible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

First of all, it didnt say the verse 18:18 refers to jesus. His name is mentioned but how could i know it refers to the prophecy ? Can show me the connection, rather than tellling me ur grandmother stories in Indonesian language.

It was mentioned in Deuteronomy and in Acts. simple as that. which is my he mentioned Jesus together with the prophecy given unto Moses in deuteronomy.

It was mentioned in Deuteronomy and in Acts. simple as that. which is my he mentioned Jesus together with the prophecy given unto Moses in deuteronomy.

Simple way getting out ? Its an assumption only, not a must. That prophecy is debatable. Jesus is GOD but Moses isnt, how Jesus can be like Moses ?

If Allah means God, why the english version didnt use it ? What does Tuhan means ?

Your article is offering a simple way out as well. Just because the Arabs descended from Abraham that means they are the 'brethren'. Then how can be Muhammad like Moses? tell me...

If Allah means God, why the english version didnt use it ? What does Tuhan means ?

Why is there a need to use Allah when we're not Arabic?

[ Last edited by  weedkiller at 28-8-2006 07:11 PM ]

Originally posted by weedkiller at 28-8-2006 07:09 PM
Your article is offering a simple way out as well. Just because the Arabs descended from Abraham that means they are the 'brethren'. Then how can be Muhammad like Moses? tell me...


Why is ther ...

You havent answered me. Jesus is GOD, Moses is not, how could u say Jesus is like Moses. Let me know first. What does Tuhan mean? Why in indonesian language they use Allah instead of Tuhan ? Clarify first.

Why is there a need to use Allah when we're not Arabic?

Indonesian is Arabic ??

Originally posted by SilentKiller at 28-8-2006 07:16 PM


You havent answered me. Jesus is GOD, Moses is not, how could u say Jesus is like Moses. Let me know first. What does Tuhan mean? Why in indonesian language they use Allah instead of Tuhan ? Cl ...

Moses lead the Israelite out from slavery in Egypt. Jesus did the same. He lead people away from sins provided if we believe in him. Did muhammad lead anyone out from any country instead of occupying lands and starting war?

Why in indonesian language they use Allah instead of Tuhan

A historical anachronism is found in the Constitution. On August 18 1945, the group that ratified the Constitution unanimously agreed that the term "Allah" should be replaced by "Tuhan" (God), a more general term which was supported by the Hindus (Saafroedin Bahar et al 1992:305). The word 'Tuhan' is used in the preamble to the Constitution, but the term Allah appears in Article 9, which specifies the wording of the presidential oath of office. There is an alternative presidential 'promise' in the same article which does not mention God at all. Incidentally, the word 'Allah' is used in Indonesian language version of the Bible, but the pronciation is different from that used by Indonesian Muslims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancasila_Indonesia#Development

Moses lead the Israelite out from slavery in Egypt. Jesus did the same. He lead people away from sins provided if we believe in him. Did muhammad lead anyone out from any country instead of occupying lands and starting war?

Moses and Muhammad accepted by their own people, did Jesus was accepted by the jews ??

A historical anachronism is found in the Constitution. On August 18 1945, the group that ratified the Constitution unanimously agreed that the term "Allah" should be replaced by "Tuhan" (God), a more general term which was supported by the Hindus (Saafroedin Bahar et al 1992:305). The word 'Tuhan' is used in the preamble to the Constitution, but the term Allah appears in Article 9, which specifies the wording of the presidential oath of office. There is an alternative presidential 'promise' in the same article which does not mention God at all. Incidentally, the word 'Allah' is used in Indonesian language version of the Bible, but the pronciation is different from that used by Indonesian Muslims

Good explanation  

Majority of the Jews or only a minor few?