The Deity of Jesus Christ (Ketuhanan Yesus Kristus)

wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE

Originally posted by eastrun at 23-3-2008 08:55 AM
He is Alpha and Omega..that meant, he existed before the existence of his so called ancestors. So, he should not have genealogies at all.But in the Bible, there are two genealogies?. So, which is ...

Thanks Eastrun,

JESUS IS "THE WORD", HE IS ALSO GOD.
HE WAS WITH THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER FROM THE BEGINNING.
HE BECAME MAN....TO FULFILL HIS PROMISE AS MENTIONED IN ISAIAH 7:14.
THAT WHY HIS NAME IS EMMANUEL.
Talk about...Genealogy.... On earth, GOD THE FATHER HAVE GIVEN HIM KINGDOM OF DAVID AND TO RULE THE PEOPLE's OF JACOB...and HE was born of VIRGIN MARY.
And in HEAVEN HE IS GOD, SIT AT THE RIGHT HAND OF THE FATHER, TO JUDGE THE LIVING AND THE DEATH.

MAY GOD BLESS

AMEN

FROM WATT

eastrun

The thing is, Jesus is Alpha, he existed before all of us. So, he should not has genealogies at all..When he was born of Virgin Mary, so he is not Alpha.

So, if he is Alpha, he should not born of Virgin Mary and should not be claimed as King David's seed.

wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE " THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE"

Originally posted by eastrun at 23-3-2008 06:44 PM
The thing is, Jesus is Alpha, he existed before all of us. So, he should not has genealogies at all..When he was born of Virgin Mary, so he is not Alpha.

So, if he is Alpha, he should not bor ...

Dear Friend,

TODAY JESUS IS WITH US ... HE IS EMMANUEL.

HE IS ALIVE!!!!!

THAT WHY HE IS...

"THE ALPHA AND OMEGA"

MAY GOD BLESS

AMEN

FROM WATT

eastrun

Do you know what is the meaning of ALPHA...

wattttb

IN TH3E NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE

Originally posted by eastrun at 23-3-2008 06:58 PM
Do you know what is the meaning of ALPHA...

Dear Friend,

Sorry....Your question proved that you dont understand who is JESUS. That why I've told you earlier.... Only those who are BORN AGAIN will experince THE HOLY SPIRIT. THE HOLY SPIRIT will teach you GOD WISDOM.

MAY GOD FORGIVE US ALL OUR SIN

AMEN

FROM WATT

alhaj72

kalau dua-dua benar.. lu follow yang mana satu?

Lu pikir la sendiri beb...

neljoe

Originally posted by alhaj72 at 24-3-2008 12:51 PM
kalau dua-dua benar.. lu follow yang mana satu?

Lu pikir la sendiri beb...

saudara Kristian semua,

Tak perlu di huraikan atau dijelaskan lanjut tentang agama kita disini, saya telah monitor banyak soalan atau pertanyaan dari forumer bukan kristian yg bukan nak cari jawapan kepada soalan mereka tetapi hendak memburukkan agama kita. Jangan lagi dilayan mereka ini tetapi jadikan forum ini hanya untuk mereka yg benar2 ingin menjadi orang kristian dan kepada orang kristian yang sedia ada. Tuhan Yesus telah berkata bahawa dia adalah yang terakhir dan sesiapa yang kemudian darinya adalah nabi palsu. Jadi mana2 agama yang wujud kemudian dari agama kristian tak perlu kita orang kristian ambil peduli kerana kata2 Tuhan Yesus telah jelas, dan pertanyaan mereka ini yang kita tahu tujuan mereka......biarkan saja. Hidup kita manusia tidak panjang, Jesus pernah berkata bahawa sedangkan mereka yang bersama-samanya, masih tidak percaya kepadanya jadi berbahagialah kepada mereka yang percaya tanpa melihatnya, dan mereka yang percaya sampai kesudahannya akan diselamatkan. Golongan yang tidak percaya ini akan sedar dan tahu akan kebenaran kata2 tuhan apabila mereka mati nanti dimana apabila hari penghakiman tiba, barulah tahu Tuhan siapa yang benar. Bagi kita orang kristian, hanya Jesus jalan ke syurga, tiada jalan lain. Bagi orang bukan kristian, biarlah mereka mencari jalan mereka sendiri dan tak perlu mempertikaikan tentang agama kami. Agama kami biar kami yg uruskan, agama kamu sedikit pun kami tidak peduli....jadi jangan salah masuk rumah. kalau rumah A pergi rumah A, kalau rumah B pergilah rumah B.

eastrun

Then you have received the Holy Spirit?. Hahahaha

The JW?, The Mormons, the RCs and The Protestants, all of them believe in Jesus, therefore, they should received same Holy Spirit.But why there are different guidances given by the Holy Spirit?.

neljoe

Dalam Bible ada mengatakan bahawa terkutuklah mereka yang menghina dan menghujat firman tuhan, bagi kita orang kristian fahamilah firman tuhan ini, bagi orang bukan kristian, biarkan mereka mempersoalkan firman tuhan kerana mereka merasakan mereka lebih pandai oleh itu mereka berani menidakkan perkataan di dalam Bible.

neljoe

Bro....jangan takbur. kita  hanya manusia biasa. Tuhan ada rencananya sendiri.

eastrun

Takbur ke?. Aku nak kau sedar perbezaan itu dan aku nak kau bgtau aku mana yang benar..Shwein kata kat aku, kita mesti ikut jalan Tuhan...tapi aku tanya dia, jalan yang mana di antara 4 fahaman...dia tidak bagi jawapan...Kau nak tahu apa Jesus kata apa itu jalan Tuhan dalam Quran?. Ini katanya:

Jesus said:

"Sesungguhnya Allah adalah Tuhanku dan Tuhanmu, maka sembahlah Dia oleh kamu sekalian. Ini adalah jalan yang lurus"(Surah Maryam 19:36).



Itulah jawapan yang Shwein cari...ia ada dalam Quran...jalan itu adalah Islam

[ Last edited by  eastrun at 24-3-2008 10:55 PM ]

Shwein1990

haha.... amusing... AS USUAL....

Shwein1990

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. (John 12:45; see John 14:7-11; 17:5)

All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said theSpirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you. (John16:15)

And anyone who believes in God抯 Son has eternal life. Anyone whodoesn抰 obey the Son will never experience eternal life but remainsunder God抯 angry judgment.

Shwein1990

oh one more thing, hey bro,

This C&C FORUM. And u broke(mayb almost) rules number 3

"Proselytizing.
Do not make aggressive, repeated, or unwanted attempts to convert another member's religious beliefs. Please respect the rights of others to follow their own religious beliefs, even if you think those beliefs are false. "


Just my two cents.

wattttb

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT

HERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE

Originally posted by eastrun at 24-3-2008 10:36 PM
Takbur ke?. Aku nak kau sedar perbezaan itu dan aku nak kau bgtau aku mana yang benar..Shwein kata kat aku, kita mesti ikut jalan Tuhan...tapi aku tanya dia, jalan yang mana di antara 4 fahaman.. ...

Hey kawan....

Kamu asik soal- soal. Sekarang saya pula soal ok.

KAMU MEMANG MENGATAKAN DIRI KAMU ADA KEBENARAN, APA DIA KAMU CUBA HENDAK SELITKAN DALAM SITE INI. JAWAP SECARA JUJUR SEPERTI KAMI JAWAP KAMU.

SATU LAGI SOALAN YAH... BILA HARI PENGHAKIMAN NANTI....SIAPA YANG AKAN MENYELAMATKAN KAMU???

MAY GOD BLESS

AMEN

FROM WATT.

satellite88

[quote]Originally posted by wattttb at 25-3-2008 01:57 AM
Hey kawan....

Kamu asik soal- soal. Sekarang saya pula soal ok.

KAMU MEMANG MENGATAKAN DIRI KAMU ADA KEBENARAN, APA DIA KAMU CUBA HENDAK SELITKAN DALAM SITE INI. JAWAP SECARA JUJUR SEPERTI KAMI JAWAP KAMU.
Kebenaran jawapan yang diberi dipetik dari bible itu sendiri untuk renungi . Kalau dari sumber lain, kamu akan menolaknya.
SATU LAGI SOALAN YAH... BILA HARI PENGHAKIMAN NANTI....SIAPA YANG AKAN MENYELAMATKAN KAMU???
Pada hari penghakiman nanti, Tuhan Mahabesar  adalah Penyelamat kami, kamu dan semua makhluk ciptaan Nya. Tuhan Mahakuasa boleh  buat apa yang dikehendakiNya.
Kalau bagi bukti dari Quran pun, pasti kamu tidak  menerimanya.

Dalam bible juga ada Tuhan Mahaberkuasa menyatakan dengan jelas:

' Aku, Akulah Tuhan dan tidak ada juruselamat selain dari Ku'. (Isiah 43:11)

' Berpalinglah kepada Ku dan biarkan diri mu diselamatkan, semua dari hujung-hujung bumi! sebab Akulah Allah dan tidak ada yang lain.' (Isiah 45:22)

Tidak melampau apalagi takbur jika kami hanya sembah dan patuh  dengan sepenuh jiwa-raga kepada Tuhan Mahaberkuasa Tunggal  yang menjadi Hakim dan Penyelamat Tunggal di hari Perhitungan nanti.  Melalui  Pengajaran untuk mencapai keselamatan di hari penghakiman nanti, Pengajaran yang  dibawa oleh Nabi-Nabi  awal hingga akhir yang telah diutusNya.

shalom

Itulah anda..

dah berpuluh kali dijelaskan, tapi masih buat-buat x faham..

Anda boleh mengemukakan beratus2 ayat dari Bible tentang tuhan yang satu..orang Kristian tiada masalah..Sebab Yesus sendiri cakap, Aku dan Bapa adalah satu...


Jadi kalau dalam Bible kata Aku tuhan, tuhan satu ia merujuk kepada Bapa, Putera dan Roh Kudus, dimana ketiga-tiga peribadi itu adalah kesatuan atau satu atau echad..

eastrun

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

My answer:
This verse was said to the Jews.. The reason Jesus said that is because, at that time, he is the only prophet exist...if he is the only Way to God, then what for God sent so many prophets before?. Each of the prophet claimed that they are the ways, because each prophet has each period of time to say that to the people of that period.

When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me. (John 12:45; see John 14:7-11; 17:5)

My answer:
Jesus words are full of parables.This verse is to show that Jesus came from God, the holiness, the words that he uttered and the things that he has done to the people all by God;s leaves. Through Jesus, God showed His signs, like to Moses and other prophets....


All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said theSpirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you. (John16:15)

Who is the Spirit?.



I and the Father are One. (John 10:30)

My answer:

One in what? In the vision?.In the faith?. In the way to convince the people?.

He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father. (John 5:23)

My answer:
Since Jesus is from Him and very special like other prophets, then God said this...Like other prophets too...so, it applies to other prophets too, not Jesus only.

I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (Revelation 22:13)

My answer:
See Revelation 1:1, it is not the word of Jesus but the word of God. God gave him the revelation...so not word of Jesus.

"The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,"(Rev 1:1)

Shwein1990

Sir, John 14:6 is for everyone. Not only Jews, Did He says.. "Hey only ye jews, im the way of life..... "???  nope......

"if he is the only Way to God, then what for God sent so many prophets before?. Each of the prophet claimed that they are the ways, because each prophet has each period of time to say that to the people of that period."
What for sending Jesus to us? Its because to make a new covenant with us.

"When he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me." Sir, Jesus was trying to say   those who see him, he see God because He is God.

"Who is the Spirit?." Holy spirit.

"I and the Father are One." This is the clearest statement that shows the divinity of Jesus.

"He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father. (John 5:23)" Note that " THE SON" .


Rev 1:1
ahem..... cant the Father give revelations to the Son??

Note that, He send HIS angel.

Nazrulism

Maaf mencelah....

1.Bapa    2.Putera    3.Roh kudus
Adakah Bapa tanpa Putera dan Roh Kudus bukan tuhan?

Kalau ketiga-tiga peribadi itu adalah satu, ini bermakna Bapa dan Ruh kudus bersatu dengan jesus semasa jesus didunia dulu, tapi kenapa jesus berkata:
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28