Singapore playing Newater card.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 16-4-2004 23:55:
We do not agree to RM6.25. ie. yu hav to stick to the old price lah cos yu are too greedy.

cheers

We are not greedy, actually, the RM 6.++ is merely fair that it will last. Did you or did you not read my postings from the site???

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by MeeGoreng at 13-4-2004 19:06:
ariya, wat u think M'sian PM can offer so tat SG will agree to pay more than 3 sen?

There is no need to offer, it is our right and it is fair as the prices these days had rised. Imagine the prices of things 40 years back and the prices of things which is going to be in the next 25 years.

[ Last edited by ariyamusafir on 18-4-2004 at 12:29 AM ]

Originally posted by ariyamusafir at 18-4-2004 12:28 AM:


There is no need to offer, it is our right and it is fair as the prices these days had rised. Imagine the prices of things 40 years back and the prices of things which is going to be ...

ariya,

In the water agreement (in fact, in any agreement) where BOTH SIDES MUST AGREE TO A NEGOTIATED PRICE, if one party has nothing to offer, or feels it need not offer anything, obviously there is not going to be a settlement at any price.

so, my silly fren, u have to tell ur politicans that they are stuck with the pathetic payment of 3 sen per 1000 gallons.

come on, plse come out with better ideas to help msia get paid for more that 3 sen?

sonny~~

Originally posted by MeeGoreng at 2004-4-18 07:31 AM:


ariya,

In the water agreement (in fact, in any agreement) where BOTH SIDES MUST AGREE TO A NEGOTIATED PRICE, if one party has nothing to offer, or feels it need not offer anyt ...

read ARIs cut n paste intelligently.  
msia is offerin spore to reduce its consumption of shiiit or faeces water right?
n msia is bargainin for 6 bucks or so to help spore reduce its consumption of faeces water.  right?
so wot u mean by msia dont offer nuthin?
if the wealthest nation in sea, spore dont wanna accept msia's offer then so be it.  come 2061, no more water from msia.  n spore gonna drink faeces water till kingdom thy will be done.  right?

spore's choice anyhow to choose faeces water over msia's natural water.  imagine the wealthiest nation in sea, spore prefers to drink faeces water.  all becoz it dont wanna quit suckin msia dry.  buyin msia's water for 3 sen tantamount to suckin msia's good faith dry.  right?  3 sen not enough to buy toilet paper to wipe me arse from faeces daily.  right?  hehe  

n former msia pm has the big heart to come up with "enrich thy neighbour" policy when wealthies nation in sea, spore prefers to be parasite to msia's good faith.  wot rot  

peace   

http://www.kempen.gov.my/water.htm

b) to RM6.25 per 1,000 gallons ...

Singapore: "But that wasn't the end of it. When the Foreign Ministers of both countries met in September 2002, the Malaysian side presented yet another pricing formula. The formula resulted in a price 200-fold higher — RM6.25 per 1,000 gallons." (Singapore Ministry of Information, Communications and the Arts, 2003 Water Talks? If Only It Could, page 8.)

Malaysia: The price of RM6.25 per 1,000 gallons is, of course, derived from using Singapore's own suggested formula, one that Singapore said "would stand the test of time". It is a basis for calculating the price of water rather than an indicative price.

Making an offer and the other party responding by making a counter-offer is a normal part of negotiation. It is not a "shifting of goal posts". Of course, RM6.25 is a tremendous jump from the current price of three sen per 1,000 gallons. But this should be seen in its proper context: # The original price of three sen per 1,000 gallons was preposterous. A price that is 100 or 200 times a preposterous base price is not necessarily preposterous.

# We have received many lectures in the past from Singapore leaders on how the free market works, sometimes when we are in desperate straits and gasping for air. Perhaps there is some virtue in referring to how the free market operates. Clearly enough, even RM6.25 per 1,000 gallons of God's water (as opposed to water form the sewer) is much better than the comparable cost of Singapore's alternative sources of water. According to Singapore, NEWater (Singapore's recycled sewage water) costs RM7.50 per 1,000 gallons while desalinated water costs RM7.65 per 1,000 gallons.

In a letter dated April 11 2002, Singapore Prime Minister Goh Chok Tong himself proposed pegging the price of treated water from Johor to an agreed percentage of Singapore's cost of alternative sources of water, a pricing mechanism that could stand the test of time. And at the Malaysia-Singapore Ministerial meeting on July 1 and 2, 2002, Singapore's Foreign Minister Professor S. Jayakumar formally proposed pegging the price of treated water to an agreed percentage of the price of Singapore's NEWater.

[ Last edited by sonny~~ on 18-4-2004 at 11:30 AM ]

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by MeeGoreng at 18-4-2004 07:31:


ariya,

In the water agreement (in fact, in any agreement) where BOTH SIDES MUST AGREE TO A NEGOTIATED PRICE, if one party has nothing to offer, or feels it need not offer anyt ...

Listen the agreement signed says that in every 25 years, Malaysia has the right for a price review. Kuan Yew also acknowledge the fact and offered the price in which we do not think it is fair. In this agreement, we are exercising our rghts and there is nothing that we need to offer at all!!! Do you know anything??? This is not about making a new agreement where people offer this and that, it is about exercising the right given by the already made agreement. It is correct to say that in the price review and negotiation, people can offer the amount of price but your claim that Malaysia must offer something else in return is totally absurb.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by MeeGoreng at 18-4-2004 07:31:


ariya,

In the water agreement (in fact, in any agreement) where BOTH SIDES MUST AGREE TO A NEGOTIATED PRICE, if one party has nothing to offer, or feels it need not offer anyt ...

THat is why you do not know anything, Singapore government also know that they must agree to a review in price and Kuan Yew offered 45 sen in which we do not agree. You keep on saying about Singapore wanting to remain at RM0.03 per 1000 gallon shows that you know little, very little about this issue and are taking like expert here, or maybe you are not well informed by your government about this isse. That is why, since you do not know, read first the article I posted then make comments.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 18-4-2004 11:24:


read ARIs cut n paste intelligently.  
msia is offerin spore to reduce its consumption of shiiit or faeces water right?
n msia is bargainin for 6 bucks or so to help spore reduce its  ...

:setuju::setuju::setuju:
Yup, you are right sonny~~. You see meegoreng, sonny~~ knows and he reads, that is why he knows many issues. You however from my observation, don't read when you do not know about much about it. Learn from sonny~~

Poor ariya, so much selective cut & paste... so much on m'sia has right to price review and insisting (in red letters somemore) m'sia need not make any offer to get singapore to agree to new price.

Suddenly, you decided to lean on clever sonny's twisty contradictory stance:

msia is offerin spore to reduce its consumption of shiiit or faeces water right?
n msia is bargainin for 6 bucks or so to help spore reduce its consumption of faeces water.  right?
so wot u mean by msia dont offer nuthin?

Inspite of sonny coming to ariya's aid, and obvious signs of soreness, jealousy n whining abt singapore being the richest SEA nation taking advatage of M'sai goodwill, there is NO SETTLEMENT AGREED BY BOTH SIDES ON ANY NEW PRICE.

So, so...sorry, my frens, m'sian water is worth only 3 sen till 2061 unless any of you can come out with new clever ideas.

Acong

Mmmm............ Hehehe! After 2061............ Hope singaporean will enjoy ur own NEWater! :bgrin:

Acong

Originally posted by sonny~~ at 18-4-2004 10:24 AM:


read ARIs cut n paste intelligently.  
msia is offerin spore to reduce its consumption of shiiit or faeces water right?
n msia is bargainin for 6 bucks or so to help spore reduce its  ...

can u justify why sonny~~ credit was being deducted 8 points?

Originally posted by Acong at 19-4-2004 01:49 PM:
Mmmm............ Hehehe! After 2061............ Hope singaporean will enjoy ur own NEWater! :bgrin:

Thank you, Acong....I'm sure they will. Technology advances in 50 years would be mind boggling that ayer can be made from air....:lol

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by MeeGoreng at 19-4-2004 10:27:
Poor ariya, so much selective cut & paste... so much on m'sia has right to price review and insisting (in red letters somemore) m'sia need not make any offer to get singapore ...

That is why I said you do not understand. I know and the cut and paste is just as solid proof to my claim and even your senior minister agree to that price review of water to 45 sen but we disagree and you still say that it is for 3 sen and that Singapore was not willing to go beyond RM0.03???

I seldom see Debmey around here. Is there a possibility that Debmey is using the meegoreng username as a covert since he was not able to much manipulate and twist his way through this thread that he have to create another username??? Correct me if I am wrong.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Acong at 19-4-2004 13:51:

can u justify why sonny~~ credit was being deducted 8 points?

Ya, please justify. Is there the possibility that Debmey can deduct credits here????

Originally posted by ariyamusafir at 20-4-2004 12:09 AM:


That is why I said you do not understand. I know and the cut and paste is just as solid proof to my claim and even your senior minister agree to that price review of water to 45 sen  ...

oh dear, dear Ariya,

You seemed to have exhausted other arguments that you have to resort to regurgitating the "45 sen......discussed as part of the issues in the total package" during the fanatical mega poltician rule.

At least, you appeared to understand that there was NO AGREEMENT ON ANY NEW PRICES.

I'm still waiting for your intelligent & civilised reply to my challenge that "m'sian water is worth 3 sen till 2061 unless any of you can come out with clever new ideas".

Aiyah, Ariya....dont be so childish lah to ASSUme that I'm related to Mr Debmey, and no need to get so angry...replying in big red font characters!

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by MeeGoreng at 20-4-2004 11:17:


oh dear, dear Ariya,

You seemed to have exhausted other arguments that you have to resort to regurgitating the "45 sen......discussed as part of the issues in the total package" ...

Wrong boy! I am no exhausted. I am just trying to prove a point that you do not know much about that issue but you talk ike expert just like Debmey. That is all.

By the way, the price of water is not worth RM 0.03 for 1000 gallon until 2061 but is worth the price agreed on until the next 25 years after the review of that price. You like Debmey, don't read the article that I have posted, did you??? Correct me if I am wrong, MeeGoreng or perhaps, you are Debmey.

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by MeeGoreng at 20-4-2004 11:17:


oh dear, dear Ariya,

You seemed to have exhausted other arguments that you have to resort to regurgitating the "45 sen......discussed as part of the issues in the total package" ...

Oh I am sorry, replying in big fonts is not scolding. Using all capital letters all the way, that is when I am scolding. I use red after Debmey became moderator.

Originally posted by ariyamusafir at 20-4-2004 12:49 PM:


Wrong boy! I am no exhausted. I am just trying to prove a point that you do not know much about that issue but you talk ike expert just like Debmey. That is all.

Relac, relac...lah...Let me share my expert opinion with you.

By the way, the price of water is not worth RM 0.03 for 1000 gallon until 2061 but is worth the price agreed on until the next 25 years after the review of that price. You like Debmey, don't read the article that I have posted, did you??? Correct me if I am wrong, MeeGoreng or perhaps, you are Debmey [color]

You can read up m'sia flattering imitation of singapore's booklet on the water issue... or you can swallow everything from the series of very expensive msian govt advertisements. You can blare out untill all the cows come home abt reviewing the price by a millionth fold for the next millenium. Without BOTH SIDES agreeing to this new price, you still have 3 sen per 1000 galloons...yes? no?

You are a poor negotiator, my misguided fren, if you expect singapore to agree to pay more than 3 sen simply because you claim msia have the right to a price review! :stp:

Regarding Mr Debmey, I guess you'll not believe anything I say .... and as for red characters, do you know what is netiquette?

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by MeeGoreng at 20-4-2004 17:59:

Relac, relac...lah...Let me share my expert opinion with you.



You can read up m'sia flattering imitation of singapore's booklet on the water issue... or you can swallow everything from the ...

First of all, do you know that Kuan Yew agree to the price review???? Secondly, do you know that he suggested that RM 0.45 except that Malaysia disagree???? Even Kuan Yew, Lew Kuan Yew also knows that a price review is a must, it is not a new deal but an agreement which had already signed long time ago that GIVES MALAYSIA ALL THE RIGHTS FOR A PRICE REVIEW. The only thing is that the price of it must be acceptable by both. It is not about negotiating if Malaysia can sell its water at a price above the current price, it is about a negotiation to determine what price which is more than the current price. Frankly speaking, I DO NOT think you are an expert, in fact you know not much in my opinion. The thing is that you do not know much yet you want to use your so called negotiating expertise???


By the way, the red colour lettering is not for you but for someone else. Even my friends also also I used red now, after someone became moderator!

Debmey

I find the red letterings very very rude. A sign of an imature person.

cheers

ariyamusafir

Originally posted by Debmey at 23-4-2004 08:32:
I find the red letterings very very rude. A sign of an imature person.

cheers

Well, I don't find it though. This is my personal freedom to use red in this forum and you can say nothing about it. You have no right to, just because you believe this in this doesn't mean others have to follow.

Hmmm... I am even more convince that MeeGoreng=Debmey or Debmey=MeeGoreng.